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9 hours ago, Fred65 said:

Is that A) obtuse or B) joking. I was talking about Tryamkin and used Jensen as an example of the competition he faces in the KHL. :rolleyes:

Did you not watch Tryamkin play in the NHL either Fred?  

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21 hours ago, theo5789 said:

Which is why prospects have to earn their spots rather than be handed spots for "development". That's where the hard work comes in. The tough decisions is when those prospects prove they are worthy of a spot, then you have to decide who to cut or make trades from depth positions to bolster weaker areas.

 

I'm confident that JB is doing his job planning. That still doesn't mean you toss away seasons thinking you won't win. He's planning year by year on what tweaks are needed to hopefully get us to the holy grail and that could happen in any given year if everything comes together that season.

I really don't understand how his previous NHL games are ignored by some here.

Gudbranson was highly touted, they traded a 1rst, 2nd and prospect then gave him 4.5 mil for a lack lustre NHL career to that date, he was gifted with top two pairing even though he was never a top two defenseman before. But that is okay?

 

There are enough youtube highlights of Tryamkin and then the stats to use as a comparison with other Canucks during that time, the thing that has to be remembered is he was a rookie, never played on a small ice surface, didn't speak or understand english and evidently pretty much ignored by Willie and the management.

 

I has become obvius the Utica is seen a punishment by Euros, how many have quit and gone to Europe rather than suffer Utica, even the Canucks finally recognized there was a big problem there but that place now has a reputation and so do the Canucks because of it, players weren't sent there to develop, they were sent there in purgatory.

 

I think some media is helping the Canucks shape fans into accepting a Tryamkin trade, Boston wants him, so do other NHL teams, his size and the play he showed before would make him a top 4 dman immediately on most teams. Watch some of the highlights, look at his stats, top dman overall, hits, +/-, not points but then no PP time, played left and right sides, fights and matched up on the PK and best of the other teams players. HE WAS A ROOKIE!

 

Even the Canucks stated they wanted him back, but somewhere they screwed it up, within 24 hours after their offer he signed with the KHL.

 

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5 hours ago, WeneedLumme said:

He apparently believes ignorance is bliss, and tries to help us all be blissful by sharing it with us.

You have to much hate in your life, lighten up

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13 hours ago, SilentSam said:

Did you not watch Tryamkin play in the NHL either Fred?  

Yeah I watched him, every game he played in Vcr. He's shown his abilities and I like what I see, it's a missing commodity IMO. But here's the but the game has changed sine he last graced Rogers Arena. It's has become faster and he has played at a lessor pace against inferior opposition and don't tell me that doesn't count. Brain are some what like computer they are what you input. PLus of course JB has basically stated that he has to wait to see what is happening to the Cap

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1 hour ago, Lazurus said:

I really don't understand how his previous NHL games are ignored by some here.

Gudbranson was highly touted, they traded a 1rst, 2nd and prospect then gave him 4.5 mil for a lack lustre NHL career to that date, he was gifted with top two pairing even though he was never a top two defenseman before. But that is okay?

 

There are enough youtube highlights of Tryamkin and then the stats to use as a comparison with other Canucks during that time, the thing that has to be remembered is he was a rookie, never played on a small ice surface, didn't speak or understand english and evidently pretty much ignored by Willie and the management.

 

I has become obvius the Utica is seen a punishment by Euros, how many have quit and gone to Europe rather than suffer Utica, even the Canucks finally recognized there was a big problem there but that place now has a reputation and so do the Canucks because of it, players weren't sent there to develop, they were sent there in purgatory.

 

I think some media is helping the Canucks shape fans into accepting a Tryamkin trade, Boston wants him, so do other NHL teams, his size and the play he showed before would make him a top 4 dman immediately on most teams. Watch some of the highlights, look at his stats, top dman overall, hits, +/-, not points but then no PP time, played left and right sides, fights and matched up on the PK and best of the other teams players. HE WAS A ROOKIE!

 

Even the Canucks stated they wanted him back, but somewhere they screwed it up, within 24 hours after their offer he signed with the KHL.

 

I know this is the Tryamkin thread, so I don't blame you for your interpretation of this post. I had replied to a post suggesting that we are at least 3 years from serious contention and should use these next few years to inject prospects to give them experience. So I was simply suggesting that prospects should earn their spots rather than be handed them if they want NHL time.

 

I fully believe that Tryamkin is an NHLer at this point (read my other posts if you don't believe me), but I do think he should start as a bottom pairing guy (although he may not be there long) and work his way up.

 

As for Gudbranson, just some clarification, he was traded for McCann (former 1st rounder), a 2nd and a 4th. He also was played with Edler a brief time, he mostly was paired with Hutton and Pouliot in "2nd and 3rd pairing" roles, not top pairing. If we didn't re-sign him, he would've signed elsewhere, so at least we still got Pearson from him because he was still a valued commodity worthy of a trade even at that price tag.

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25 minutes ago, Fred65 said:

Yeah I watched him, every game he played in Vcr. He's shown his abilities and I like what I see, it's a missing commodity IMO. But here's the but the game has changed sine he last graced Rogers Arena. It's has become faster and he has played at a lessor pace against inferior opposition and don't tell me that doesn't count. Brain are some what like computer they are what you input. PLus of course JB has basically stated that he has to wait to see what is happening to the Cap

I watched him play this season Fred..  10 games,., he is faster, more mobile, leaves no gap.. offensive prowess,., more physically inclined and clocked a 102 mph shot in an all star game.  

JB has stated he wants him back..  it won’t be a matter of the Cap.. it will be who goes and who stays to fit Tryamkin in.

i can not see us spending any more years with LEGO- Man Tanev..  im confident Nik is bolded on the board in Black Sharpie.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Setyoureyesontheprize said:

Nikita will be a top 2 dman in the NHL for a long time. Can’t wait to see the Whole  Canucks defence form with players like Hughes, tryamkin, Olli, Rathbone

:lol::lol:

 

3rd pairing = yes; 2nd pairing?? who knows

 

first pairing?? haha come on

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31 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said:

He'll start bottom pairing to prove himself, and he will move up especially after injuries to other D men. He's durable at that size. Watch whoever's paired with him will get a boost in plus minus. And he'll take heavy PK minutes before long. He's  been a lock at PK 1 in the K. People are going to watching out for Nik, he is very intimidating  (more so here in the NHL). And draw a lot of attention from EP and and Huggy.

He just balances us out more. One or two big hits and he'll be a fan favorite. 

Opposing forwads are going to hate this guy.  Ask Jamie Benn and also the Ducks forwards.

Once Green gains his personal confidence with him,  options will open up.

I do believe  Green has a better relationship with Benning , than what WD had.

By that I mean I don’t think WD listened to Bennings opinion on what he felt players were capable of doing if given the opportunity.

And at that time of rebuilding, Desjardins only made moves because of injuries... how long we suffered through a troubled pp is proof.

Nik’s prowess for watching his team mates was Boldened in his rookie year when Yakapov blindsided Shore..  Yakapov was lucky to turtle.

with you here Hairy,  Nik will be a top 2 pairing D man by the end of his next season in the NHL.

Then Edler will move on, and hopefully within  a  Rafferty, Teves, Rathbone, Joulevi, Chatfeild, another lad can take a big step.

This Summer will prove interesting too,   If room can be made,. Perhaps a Petrangelo or Ristolianen can be grabbed also.

 

... I’m Curious to see if we try to move Demko,.  Or risk losing him in the following Extorsion draft in 21-22  

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On 4/30/2020 at 6:06 AM, theo5789 said:

I'm not concerned about his ability to play in the NHL, but we offered him 2 million before he left. I replied to a suggestion that he would get 3-3.5 million and I don't think he would he get a raise because he improved in the KHL. I think he needs to prove that here before he gets a raise on the original offer.

No argument. We did offer two million before he left, a look out on the street would inform that times have changed, and in this climate 3-3.5 is as you imply, too much - he does have to show he has improved - and I believe that Rafferty has a one way this year - not that Tryamkin and Rafferty would be direct competitors - they bring entirely different things to the party.  Tryamkin could take on a role that Myers is uncomfortable with, Edler is too old for, Benn and Fantenburg are both marginal full time players (something that Tryamkin was last time he was here - once he made the lineup, he stayed in the lineup, Stetcher and Hughes are too small for, Tanev is too fragile for, and that pretty much ends the list. Do you want toughness, strength, size and decent defensive acumen or do you want skill, puck movement, tradition, and outstanding skating (something that both Rafferty and Rathbone might provide. Of course, all of Rafferty, Tryamkin, and Rathbone can play the right side (though Tryamkin and Rathbone are both left shots) - just in case we cannot re-sign Tanev, and/or Stetcher - I hate the idea of losing either of those two right side D’s for nothing - but that said, our defence as a group appeared not to be wonderful last year - I say appeared because that is hard to tell when you are so young down the middle with Pettersson, Horvat, and Gaudette and centres do play a significant part in play in your own end.

 

But back to your point, 3 mil is probably too much for Tryamkin... if he is expected to be a five, six or seventh defender - but if we expect him to take Tanev’s job, then it would be about right.

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3 hours ago, SilentSam said:

I watched him play this season Fred..  10 games,., he is faster, more mobile, leaves no gap.. offensive prowess,., more physically inclined and clocked a 102 mph shot in an all star game.  

JB has stated he wants him back..  it won’t be a matter of the Cap.. it will be who goes and who stays to fit Tryamkin in.

i can not see us spending any more years with LEGO- Man Tanev..  im confident Nik is bolded on the board in Black Sharpie.

 

 

i think stech is the odd man out, isnt he suppose to get a raise?

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1 hour ago, TNucks1 said:

i think stech is the odd man out, isnt he suppose to get a raise?

Yes,  perhaps we sign and package him?  I do like Stetchers ethic, he is skilled,.  And  he is far more physical than Tanev or even Edler.

Perhaps he just needs the right partner?    But Tanev at 5m?    historically out for a third to half a season.

The summer will be interesting and challenging.

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2 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said:

I'd like Stech as the 7. I think Rathbone moves ahead because of offense.

Do you think Rathbone is ready for that?   I was thinking at least half a season without the cage on in Utica.

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