Nikita Tryamkin | D

[J.I.A.H.N]

18 hours ago, DeNiro said:

And also takes a 30 goal scorer off our roster.

 

Take Boeser and Toffoli out of our top 6 and it goes back to being very weak. 
 

Pettersson will get all the attention from opposition and we’ll be a one line team.

 

No thanks.

Come on DeNiro

 

I never said Boeser and Toffoli 

And you know better than that

But I have said it more than once

Sign Toffoli, Trade Boeser

"IF" the return is "Big"...……...

Something like...……………...

Boeser and Stecher...…..for...……..Damon Severson, Nolan Foote, and a 1st

IMO, that is the kind of trade you look for

 

[wildcam]

41 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said:

Come on DeNiro

 

I never said Boeser and Toffoli 

And you know better than that

But I have said it more than once

Sign Toffoli, Trade Boeser

"IF" the return is "Big"...……...

Something like...……………...

Boeser and Stecher...…..for...……..Damon Severson, Nolan Foote, and a 1st

IMO, that is the kind of trade you look for

 

Yes yes type of trade we need..Been saying we need to add a top 4 D man under 26 for over 6 months..

I would trade Boeser for tat top end D man-- Boeser gives us the best return out of are wingers...

 

Boeser - Stetcher NJ --  Van - Severson - 2rd rounder 2021 and 1st Rd 2020, would be like 18thpick --- would be the pick we traded to Tampa and they traded that pick to Devils..

[Hairy Kneel]

13 hours ago, aGENT said:

Sure... but Dillon can't play the next decade across from Hughes.

But some protection for him would be good.  Dillon's a good scrapper.

[Ray_Cathode]

17 hours ago, SilentSam said:

... I think you’ll agree Ray,   that it’s far too easy to be a Sprorts Journalist in Vancouver.

Yes, it’s just too easy to get away with doing it badly - as in wild speculation, not knowing your sport, and it sure helps if you have played the game. It would probably be tough to be a journalist in Montreal - hockey is a religion there, easy to be a journalist in Toronto - just be a fanboy who cheers inanely even when the team is terribly run.  I like the balance of passion, reason, and team loyalty here most of the time - not all the time - some people just can’t handle it if the Canucks are criticized.  There are some real sharp observers available here and most are willing to challenge and be challenged, and that is half the fun. 
 

I think some are as knowledgable as the best reporters in their observations of the game and ability to judge players and their potential. I have a lot of respect for people that have league wide knowledge of players and prospects - I don’t - I focus pretty much on the Canucks and our prospects - I very much enjoy watching Utica now that we have some decent prospects down there.

[qwijibo]

8 hours ago, janisahockeynut said:

Come on DeNiro

 

I never said Boeser and Toffoli 

And you know better than that

But I have said it more than once

Sign Toffoli, Trade Boeser

"IF" the return is "Big"...……...

Something like...……………...

Boeser and Stecher...…..for...……..Damon Severson, Nolan Foote, and a 1st

IMO, that is the kind of trade you look for

 

Stetcher adds minimal value, Boeser is , by in large, under rated. In what world does a guy who put up 29 goals once, and has had a myriad of injuries return a 25 year old 40 point D, a player picked in the 1st round last year and an additional 1st?   C’mon man.  
 

A 1/1 trade maybe. But asking for an extra 2 1sts? You’re dreaming i

[Boudrias]

2 hours ago, qwijibo said:

Stetcher adds minimal value, Boeser is , by in large, under rated. In what world does a guy who put up 29 goals once, and has had a myriad of injuries return a 25 year old 40 point D, a player picked in the 1st round last year and an additional 1st?   C’mon man.  
 

A 1/1 trade maybe. But asking for an extra 2 1sts? You’re dreaming i

The C-19 shutdown of the NHL season has many negatives. The biggest one for the Canucks is no opportunity to see the young talent play in a playoff setting. Getting the experience would be valuable for their development but also would give Benning a opportunity to evaluate their play in a non regular season setting. Harder game and more stress. 

[qwijibo]

3 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

The C-19 shutdown of the NHL season has many negatives. The biggest one for the Canucks is no opportunity to see the young talent play in a playoff setting. Getting the experience would be valuable for their development but also would give Benning a opportunity to evaluate their play in a non regular season setting. Harder game and more stress. 

What does that have to do with my comment? 

[Boudrias]

26 minutes ago, qwijibo said:

What does that have to do with my comment? 

My take was you were discussing the relative merits of some players. My only point being was that playoffs would have helped that assessment. 

[aGENT]

7 hours ago, Hairy Kneel said:

But some protection for him would be good.  Dillon's a good scrapper.

I'm not against obtaining Dillon for the 3rd pair (other than we're already shy in cap space). But that's a completely seperate move from what I was referring to there for a top 4 D to actually partner with Hughes, long term.

[qwijibo]

8 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

My take was you were discussing the relative merits of some players. My only point being was that playoffs would have helped that assessment. 

I honestly don’t see how it applies to my argument that Boeser is not worth Severson plus a D+1 player picked in the 1st round + 1st.  I’d think a 1 for 1 deal is far close to being fair 

[Kobayashi Maru]

Unless Tryamkin is paired with pieces like Virtanen for a top pairing D like Ristolainen I just want to see Tryamkin back.  The worst thing that could happen would be a trade for some project prospect from another team. 

 

We either need Tryamkin to be part of a bigger upgrade package or just signed and paired with Hughes to start (Preference).

[J.I.A.H.N]

2 hours ago, Boudrias said:

The C-19 shutdown of the NHL season has many negatives. The biggest one for the Canucks is no opportunity to see the young talent play in a playoff setting. Getting the experience would be valuable for their development but also would give Benning a opportunity to evaluate their play in a non regular season setting. Harder game and more stress. 

Totally agree with you Boudrais

But at some point, you have to rip the band-aid off anyways

What is the point of putting in all this time to develop your farm

and the players there, only to not use them because you are afraid

they might fail. 

What I have noticed is a huge reluctance of Green to play his young guys

and honestly when they have come up, they have shown well

only to be left in the press box, after a game or 2

IMO, this failure is on Green and Benning

Brisebois was like +22 last year, and doesn't get a sniff of a call up

If just one of these guys turns shows he can play top 4 minutes

and we are not playing, because he may have a burp

along the way...……..well that is not proper development

and is not good on the Canucks

[J.I.A.H.N]

Ironically, we will keep a junior for 9 games to take a look, but not a current prospect

How does that make sense?

[J.I.A.H.N]

4 hours ago, qwijibo said:

Stetcher adds minimal value, Boeser is , by in large, under rated. In what world does a guy who put up 29 goals once, and has had a myriad of injuries return a 25 year old 40 point D, a player picked in the 1st round last year and an additional 1st?   C’mon man.  
 

A 1/1 trade maybe. But asking for an extra 2 1sts? You’re dreaming i

First off, I said something "Like"

Secondly, Severson's +/- is not crazy good, actually poor

Where as Stecher's +/- is pretty darn good

Not saying they are close in ability, but one could argue

that their impact is not as far off as you suggest

IMO, Stecher is very under-rated

So the down grade in Stecher vs Severson isn't as big as

some suggest

As for Boeser, he is a very highly rated U25 RWer

if I remember rightly, he is like the 6th highest

Pts per 60 minutes U25 of all players in the league

So no, when you take the suggestion in context

Boeser and Stecher for

Severson, Foote and a 1st, isn't that far off

And maybe we add a 2nd ?????

But the point is

Many TDL trades for a lot less are pretty close to that

And I also think that New Jersey gets the best player

So an overpayment in appearance, may not be as big as you suggest

Remember, New Jersey has to start winning at some point

and remember Severson is not a #1 dman...

and more like a -2 or a +3 Dman

nothing to sneeze at, but he did carry a -20 plus/minus

and has never had a plus year

So, I am not sure what you are going on about ??????

Remember I suggest a "Like" type trade

and in the end, this allows us to sign Tryamkin easier

among other players

[qwijibo]

3 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said:

First off, I said something "Like"

Secondly, Severson's +/- is not crazy good, actually poor

Where as Stecher's +/- is pretty darn good

Not saying they are close in ability, but one could argue

that their impact is not as far off as you suggest

IMO, Stecher is very under-rated

So the down grade in Stecher vs Severson isn't as big as

some suggest

As for Boeser, he is a very highly rated U25 RWer

if I remember rightly, he is like the 6th highest

Pts per 60 minutes U25 of all players in the league

So no, when you take the suggestion in context

Boeser and Stecher for

Severson, Foote and a 1st, isn't that far off

And maybe we add a 2nd ?????

But the point is

Many TDL trades for a lot less are pretty close to that

And I also think that New Jersey gets the best player

So an overpayment in appearance, may not be as big as you suggest

Remember, New Jersey has to start winning at some point

and remember Severson is not a #1 dman...

and more like a -2 or a +3 Dman

nothing to sneeze at, but he did carry a -20 plus/minus

and has never had a plus year

So, I am not sure what you are going on about ??????

Remember I suggest a "Like" type trade

and in the end, this allows us to sign Tryamkin easier

among other players

+\-? Seriously?  You’re justifying the incredibly lopsided trade suggestion with +\-?  Lol. 

[J.I.A.H.N]

47 minutes ago, qwijibo said:

+\-? Seriously?  You’re justifying the incredibly lopsided trade suggestion with +\-?  Lol. 

Plus minus is part of it

As is analytics for sure

In the end, the eye test is used 

to determine the differences

 

But more importantly....

Why are you defending your argument

by cutting down mine?

 

Use fact, not aggression

You have done nothing to convince me

you know what you are talking about

[qwijibo]

5 hours ago, janisahockeynut said:

Plus minus is part of it

As is analytics for sure

In the end, the eye test is used 

to determine the differences

 

But more importantly....

Why are you defending your argument

by cutting down mine?

 

Use fact, not aggression

You have done nothing to convince me

you know what you are talking about

You are suggesting that a young top 2-3 40 point D is worth significantly less than an injury prone scoring winger.  A winger who, by the way, struggled to put the puck in the net this season.  It’s just not a reasonable evaluation.
 

 Top scoring D are much harder to find than scoring wingers.  Therefore they’re more valuable.  all that said I think a 1/1 trade is reasonable.  A trade where NJ gives the equivalent of 2 additional 1st round picks is far from reasonable.  
 

with regards to your argument using +\- .  There’s a reason it’s made fun of.   You need a ton of context for it to give even a blurry snap shot of the player’s play.  

Edited May 20, 2020 by qwijibo

[Fred65]

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with regards to your argument using +\- .  There’s a reason it’s made fun of.   You need a ton of context for it to give even a blurry snap shot of the player’s play.

There's a reason why that stat is still kept today and why  insiders still refer to players as either a plus player or a negative player

[ohmy]

26 minutes ago, Fred65 said:

There's a reason why that stat is still kept today and why  insiders still refer to players as either a plus player or a negative player

The efficacy of +/- is only a useful stat when used in conjunction with deployment. Bo Horvat being a - player means absolutely nothing when comparing him to a + player who's used sparingly. It's all about perspective.

[Fred65]

2 hours ago, ohmy said:

The efficacy of +/- is only a useful stat when used in conjunction with deployment. Bo Horvat being a - player means absolutely nothing when comparing him to a + player who's used sparingly. It's all about perspective.

That frankly goes for many stats. When you look at face off percentage it's a laugh. Some guys have only taken two face off against who you have no idea …. but the won them both

 

But over the course of a season or heck at half season it does indicate a trend, some good some not so much. I'm betting many payers know their own +/- at the end of the game … and they know the coach does as well