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5 hours ago, Ray_Cathode said:

Yeah, every sport should learn a lesson from that and play without rules. Then they could just call any sport ‘Mayhem’. Don’t know if you’ve ever entertained the thought that sports are defined by their rules - when you throw away the rules, you throw away everything that makes hockey a sport. 

I'd way rather watch a game played mostly 5v5 than special teams.  Nothing more boring than powerplay after powerplay after powerplay.

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52 minutes ago, stawns said:

I'd way rather watch a game played mostly 5v5 than special teams.  Nothing more boring than powerplay after powerplay after powerplay.

The best games are the ones where the whistles are pocketed.

Other than plays that are potentially harmful, teams should be given more rope to determine the outcome themselves.

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14 minutes ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:

I agree, to a point. I love watching games where teams play hard, intense, physical hockey, but within the rules. And there’s no better game than one with long stretches of uninterrupted play, and a smooth flow to the action. But the rule book is there for a reason, and the best hockey is the game that’s played within those rules. If teams get so out of hand that they’re disrespecting the game, I’d rather see a parade to the penalty box, than the refs pocketing the whistles and letting things get completely out of hand. Not a fan of-tit-for-tat “makeup” calls and “game management” stuff, either. Just call the game fairly, and have the guts to hold dirty teams responsible, even if that means given the other team a 10-to-1 PP advantage. Even if it means power plays “decide” a playoff game. Ultimately, it’s the undisciplined teams that are deciding their own fate by playing outside the rules and suffering the consequences (or it should be, it the refs aren’t too chicken**** to hold dirty teams responsible).

I agree, that's where (gasp) game management is so important.  Games with officials who know how to maintain the flow, but keep it safe are the standard, imo.

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19 hours ago, Hairy Kneel said:

I think everyone's played pick up basketball without refs. All elbows and knees. Or tackle football without refs where anything goes. Sports can get harsh everywhere. 

Yeah, it can be, but hardly anybody watches a pickup basketball, football or hockey game - cuz it resembles exactly what I called it: mayhem - pretty much unwatchable. Archery and shooting are sports too, doesn’t mean the competitors should shoot each other.

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On 5/26/2020 at 8:51 PM, SilentSam said:

 

.... seems to happen every year Ray,  and has historically.

Big teams wear down opponents.

Yeah, and the epitome of that was the New Jersey era, when hockey became unwatchable and the league had to act to save the pro game from the half empty arenas. Of course, the good thing was that I could buy $7.50 tickets from Safeway to watch the Canucks...

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11 hours ago, Pete M said:

So can Tryamkin play in the playoffs if he signs?

Yes, for the playoffs but not necessarily for the play in round against Minnesota.

If they defeat Minnesota then they are in the playoffs.

For the sake of ease consider this round the last five games of the season with one team 2 points ahead of the other. First to win three advances or qualifies due to point totals.

And not affect the cap for this season.

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26 minutes ago, Lazurus said:

Yes, for the playoffs but not necessarily for the play in round against Minnesota.

If they defeat Minnesota then they are in the playoffs.

For the sake of ease consider this round the last five games of the season with one team 2 points ahead of the other. First to win three advances or qualifies due to point totals.

And not affect the cap for this season.

He can't sign for this season.  His contract can only start next year.

 

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10 minutes ago, mll said:

He can't sign for this season.  His contract can only start next year.

 

He would have been eligible to sign IF the Canucks were still playing in playoffs, he could have been signed May 1 and if the team was still playing he could.

Actually if he had bought out the last two weeks or earlier he could have been signed and played as soon as his KHL contract was terminated or ended. It is odd because there is no agreements between the NHL and KHL to prevent signing while still under contract but the NHL doesn't do that.

 

Other threads in this post talk about this.

 

Theoretically if the Canucks defeat Minnesota he could play the rest of the playoffs

 

Just heard on the radio that this is still up in the air, the NHLPA wants KHL players to be able to play immediately but they are eligible for playoffs.

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6 minutes ago, Lazurus said:

He would have been eligible to sign IF the Canucks were still playing in playoffs, he could have been signed May 1 and if the team was still playing he could.

Actually if he had bought out the last two weeks or earlier he could have been signed and played as soon as his KHL contract was terminated or ended. It is odd because there is no agreements between the NHL and KHL to prevent signing while still under contract but the NHL doesn't do that.

 

Other threads in this post talk about this.

 

Theoretically if the Canucks defeat Minnesota he could play the rest of the playoffs

 

Just heard on the radio that this is still up in the air, the NHLPA wants KHL players to be able to play immediately but they are eligible for playoffs.

He is a RFA and RFAs had to be signed by 1 December to be allowed to play for the season. 

 

What you heard on the radio is about 1st time ELCs - KHL, NCAA etc..  Those players were always allowed to sign in the past (RFAs never were) once their season was over.  Boeser, Hughes, Makar, Gusev and Tolvanen from the KHL all did.  This year the league doesn't want to allow those new ELCs to sign this season.  Tryamkin is not in that category of players.  He has already played on his ELC.

 

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23 minutes ago, mll said:

He is a RFA and RFAs had to be signed by 1 December to be allowed to play for the season. 

 

What you heard on the radio is about 1st time ELCs - KHL, NCAA etc..  Those players were always allowed to sign in the past (RFAs never were) once their season was over.  Boeser, Hughes, Makar, Gusev and Tolvanen from the KHL all did.  This year the league doesn't want to allow those new ELCs to sign this season.  Tryamkin is not in that category of players.  He has already played on his ELC.

 

He wasn't under contract, the Canucks just held his rights and he hadn't had a contract for over two years so just like Cale Makar last year or Radulov years ago, nothing has changed.

With the KHL season officially being cancelled Wednesday, players with expiring KHL contracts are free to sign with NHL teams as of May 1.

Golden Knights may get playoff boost from KHL MVP

Nikita Gusev will join the Vegas Golden Knights this weekend and could possibly play in the Stanley Cup Playoffs, TSN reported Friday.

Gusev is the reigning MVP of the Kontinental Hockey League. The 26-year-old left wing has played with SKA St. Petersburg since 2015-16 and this season led the KHL with 82 points (17 goals, 65 assists).

 

There is an agreement between the KHL and NHL a memorandum;

The agreement respects the professional contracts of players from both leagues and obliges both sides to complete a range of procedures to avoid conflicts in the process of players moving from one league to the other.

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Lazurus said:

He wasn't under contract, the Canucks just held his rights and he hadn't had a contract for over two years so just like Cale Makar last year or Radulov years ago, nothing has changed.

Not the same situations.  RFAs have to be signed by 1 December to be allowed to play.  

 

Makar was a 1st time ELC.  Those players were allowed to sign in the past.  The league does not want to allow it this season.  The NHLPA is fghting the league against that decision.  It affects Romanov, Sorokin, Rathbone for the Canucks but not Tryamkin.

 

Radulov was under contract - he was still on his ELC when he left for the KHL and returned for the playoffs on his ELC.  It was not a new contract.  

 

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6 minutes ago, mll said:

Not the same situations.  RFAs have to be signed by 1 December to be allowed to play.  

 

Makar was a 1st time ELC.  Those players were allowed to sign in the past.  The league does not want to allow it this season.  The NHLPA is fghting the league against that decision.  It affects Romanov, Sorokin, Rathbone for the Canucks but not Tryamkin.

 

Radulov was under contract - he was still on his ELC when he left for the KHL and returned for the playoffs on his ELC.  It was not a new contract.  

 

The Vancouver Canucks retain Nikita Tryamkin’s RFA rights and have him on their Reserve List—which means that they can sign him and add him to their roster at any point, regardless of the deadlines that govern other signings from European leagues. He would not have to pass through waivers and could theoretically start suiting up for the Canucks immediately after signing his new contract—following a lengthy flight across several time zones, of course.

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6 minutes ago, Lazurus said:

The Vancouver Canucks retain Nikita Tryamkin’s RFA rights and have him on their Reserve List—which means that they can sign him and add him to their roster at any point, regardless of the deadlines that govern other signings from European leagues. He would not have to pass through waivers and could theoretically start suiting up for the Canucks immediately after signing his new contract—following a lengthy flight across several time zones, of course.

Tryamkin is on the reserve list as group 2 RFA.  He has already played on his ELC and will not be signing an ELC but a normal contract.


The reserve list if for all players whose rights belong to the Canucks but who are not under contract.  It's RFAs as well as prospects who have yet to sign their first contract. 

 

As a group 2 RFA he cannot sign or play this season.  From the CBA:

 

11.4 Signing Deadline for Group 2 Free Agent. An SPC for a Group 2 Free Agent will be rejected and will be null and void ab initio (i.e., the Player's Free Agency and contractual status shall revert to the status he held prior to signing his SPC), if it is not signed and filed with Central Registry by 5:00 p.m. New York time on December 1 in the then current NHL Season.

 

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27 minutes ago, mll said:

Not the same situations.  RFAs have to be signed by 1 December to be allowed to play.  

 

Makar was a 1st time ELC.  Those players were allowed to sign in the past.  The league does not want to allow it this season.  The NHLPA is fghting the league against that decision.  It affects Romanov, Sorokin, Rathbone for the Canucks but not Tryamkin.

 

Radulov was under contract - he was still on his ELC when he left for the KHL and returned for the playoffs on his ELC.  It was not a new contract.  

 

He was not a RFA on December 1st, he was a signed player in the KHL, on the Canucks Reserve List. Signed players under contract are not free agents.

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8 minutes ago, aliboy said:

He was not a RFA on December 1st, he was a signed player in the KHL, on the Canucks Reserve List. Signed players under contract are not free agents.

For the NHL he was a RFA.  The reserve list includes the players whose rights the team owns - RFAs as well as prospects who have yet to sign an ELC.  

 

Puljujarvi was a signed player in Liiga on the Oilers reserve list.  He too is a RFA and had to be signed by 1 December had he wished to play this season.  

 

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1 hour ago, mll said:

For the NHL he was a RFA.  The reserve list includes the players whose rights the team owns - RFAs as well as prospects who have yet to sign an ELC.  

 

Puljujarvi was a signed player in Liiga on the Oilers reserve list.  He too is a RFA and had to be signed by 1 December had he wished to play this season.  

 

He is listed on the reserve list as a defected player, meaning he had signed and played in the NHL and then returned to the KHL after his NHL contract expired, he was not under contract with the NHL and not a RFA, if he was his years in the KHL would have had him a UFA now. When this happens the Canucks list him as a defected player and on their reserve list as such he is always their property and on their team, one of the 80 or 90 they are allowed to have on their lists. As a defected reserve player he is not a RFA until he signs with the team but as a defected player on the reserve list he can sign at any time his KHL contract is terminated or expires. Just like Ferland is on a injured reserve list, Tryamkin is on a defected reserve list.

 

1 hour ago, mll said:

For the NHL he was a RFA.  The reserve list includes the players whose rights the team owns - RFAs as well as prospects who have yet to sign an ELC.  

 

Puljujarvi was a signed player in Liiga on the Oilers reserve list.  He too is a RFA and had to be signed by 1 December had he wished to play this season.  

 

No he was different, he was under contract the previous season and the December 1 date is for all players and hold outs and if he was going to play this year or be traded and signed by another team.now that he has spent a year with a different club he would be listed as a defected player but Edmonton still holds his rights and list him on their reserve list. Next year he or his rights could be traded anytime and then sign and play, it is a loop hole in player eligibility as a defected player. The intent was to not punish a team with a high draft pick that bolts not give the player extra leverage. For any player to exercise this option they have to play a season in the KHL or other professional league. TO is getting a Swede after the TDL and December 1 to play this year I think I heard.

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29 minutes ago, Lazurus said:

He is listed on the reserve list as a defected player, meaning he had signed and played in the NHL and then returned to the KHL after his NHL contract expired, he was not under contract with the NHL and not a RFA, if he was his years in the KHL would have had him a UFA now. When this happens the Canucks list him as a defected player and on their reserve list as such he is always their property and on their team, one of the 80 or 90 they are allowed to have on their lists. As a defected reserve player he is not a RFA until he signs with the team but as a defected player on the reserve list he can sign at any time his KHL contract is terminated or expires. Just like Ferland is on a injured reserve list, Tryamkin is on a defected reserve list.

 

No he was different, he was under contract the previous season and the December 1 date is for all players and hold outs and if he was going to play this year or be traded and signed by another team.now that he has spent a year with a different club he would be listed as a defected player but Edmonton still holds his rights and list him on their reserve list. Next year he or his rights could be traded anytime and then sign and play, it is a loop hole in player eligibility as a defected player. The intent was to not punish a team with a high draft pick that bolts not give the player extra leverage. For any player to exercise this option they have to play a season in the KHL or other professional league. TO is getting a Swede after the TDL and December 1 to play this year I think I heard.

 

Benning talks of signing him for next year.  He can't sign this year.  He's a RFA and had to be signed by 1 December to be allowed to play this season.   


Even his agent isn't talking of him signing this season but next. 

https://www.tsn.ca/agent-vancouver-canucks-nikita-tryamkin-in-communication-1.1462602

 

Diamond added, however, that the two sides will likely have to wait to reach a deal until the fate of the current season is decided and next year's salary cap is set.

 

“Things are obviously stuck because of the uncertainty of the near future and what affect it’s going to have on the numbers,” Diamond said. “We have to see what the cap is going to look like and if we can march this thing forward, or if we can’t.”

 

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