mll Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 6 minutes ago, Lazurus said: He would have been eligible to sign IF the Canucks were still playing in playoffs, he could have been signed May 1 and if the team was still playing he could. Actually if he had bought out the last two weeks or earlier he could have been signed and played as soon as his KHL contract was terminated or ended. It is odd because there is no agreements between the NHL and KHL to prevent signing while still under contract but the NHL doesn't do that. Other threads in this post talk about this. Theoretically if the Canucks defeat Minnesota he could play the rest of the playoffs Just heard on the radio that this is still up in the air, the NHLPA wants KHL players to be able to play immediately but they are eligible for playoffs. He is a RFA and RFAs had to be signed by 1 December to be allowed to play for the season. What you heard on the radio is about 1st time ELCs - KHL, NCAA etc.. Those players were always allowed to sign in the past (RFAs never were) once their season was over. Boeser, Hughes, Makar, Gusev and Tolvanen from the KHL all did. This year the league doesn't want to allow those new ELCs to sign this season. Tryamkin is not in that category of players. He has already played on his ELC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazurus Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, mll said: He is a RFA and RFAs had to be signed by 1 December to be allowed to play for the season. What you heard on the radio is about 1st time ELCs - KHL, NCAA etc.. Those players were always allowed to sign in the past (RFAs never were) once their season was over. Boeser, Hughes, Makar, Gusev and Tolvanen from the KHL all did. This year the league doesn't want to allow those new ELCs to sign this season. Tryamkin is not in that category of players. He has already played on his ELC. He wasn't under contract, the Canucks just held his rights and he hadn't had a contract for over two years so just like Cale Makar last year or Radulov years ago, nothing has changed. With the KHL season officially being cancelled Wednesday, players with expiring KHL contracts are free to sign with NHL teams as of May 1. Golden Knights may get playoff boost from KHL MVP Nikita Gusev will join the Vegas Golden Knights this weekend and could possibly play in the Stanley Cup Playoffs, TSN reported Friday. Gusev is the reigning MVP of the Kontinental Hockey League. The 26-year-old left wing has played with SKA St. Petersburg since 2015-16 and this season led the KHL with 82 points (17 goals, 65 assists). There is an agreement between the KHL and NHL a memorandum; The agreement respects the professional contracts of players from both leagues and obliges both sides to complete a range of procedures to avoid conflicts in the process of players moving from one league to the other. Edited May 29, 2020 by Lazurus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 15 minutes ago, Lazurus said: He wasn't under contract, the Canucks just held his rights and he hadn't had a contract for over two years so just like Cale Makar last year or Radulov years ago, nothing has changed. Not the same situations. RFAs have to be signed by 1 December to be allowed to play. Makar was a 1st time ELC. Those players were allowed to sign in the past. The league does not want to allow it this season. The NHLPA is fghting the league against that decision. It affects Romanov, Sorokin, Rathbone for the Canucks but not Tryamkin. Radulov was under contract - he was still on his ELC when he left for the KHL and returned for the playoffs on his ELC. It was not a new contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazurus Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 6 minutes ago, mll said: Not the same situations. RFAs have to be signed by 1 December to be allowed to play. Makar was a 1st time ELC. Those players were allowed to sign in the past. The league does not want to allow it this season. The NHLPA is fghting the league against that decision. It affects Romanov, Sorokin, Rathbone for the Canucks but not Tryamkin. Radulov was under contract - he was still on his ELC when he left for the KHL and returned for the playoffs on his ELC. It was not a new contract. The Vancouver Canucks retain Nikita Tryamkin’s RFA rights and have him on their Reserve List—which means that they can sign him and add him to their roster at any point, regardless of the deadlines that govern other signings from European leagues. He would not have to pass through waivers and could theoretically start suiting up for the Canucks immediately after signing his new contract—following a lengthy flight across several time zones, of course. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Lazurus said: The Vancouver Canucks retain Nikita Tryamkin’s RFA rights and have him on their Reserve List—which means that they can sign him and add him to their roster at any point, regardless of the deadlines that govern other signings from European leagues. He would not have to pass through waivers and could theoretically start suiting up for the Canucks immediately after signing his new contract—following a lengthy flight across several time zones, of course. Tryamkin is on the reserve list as group 2 RFA. He has already played on his ELC and will not be signing an ELC but a normal contract. The reserve list if for all players whose rights belong to the Canucks but who are not under contract. It's RFAs as well as prospects who have yet to sign their first contract. As a group 2 RFA he cannot sign or play this season. From the CBA: 11.4 Signing Deadline for Group 2 Free Agent. An SPC for a Group 2 Free Agent will be rejected and will be null and void ab initio (i.e., the Player's Free Agency and contractual status shall revert to the status he held prior to signing his SPC), if it is not signed and filed with Central Registry by 5:00 p.m. New York time on December 1 in the then current NHL Season. Edited May 29, 2020 by mll 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliboy Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, mll said: Not the same situations. RFAs have to be signed by 1 December to be allowed to play. Makar was a 1st time ELC. Those players were allowed to sign in the past. The league does not want to allow it this season. The NHLPA is fghting the league against that decision. It affects Romanov, Sorokin, Rathbone for the Canucks but not Tryamkin. Radulov was under contract - he was still on his ELC when he left for the KHL and returned for the playoffs on his ELC. It was not a new contract. He was not a RFA on December 1st, he was a signed player in the KHL, on the Canucks Reserve List. Signed players under contract are not free agents. Edited May 29, 2020 by aliboy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, aliboy said: He was not a RFA on December 1st, he was a signed player in the KHL, on the Canucks Reserve List. Signed players under contract are not free agents. For the NHL he was a RFA. The reserve list includes the players whose rights the team owns - RFAs as well as prospects who have yet to sign an ELC. Puljujarvi was a signed player in Liiga on the Oilers reserve list. He too is a RFA and had to be signed by 1 December had he wished to play this season. Edited May 29, 2020 by mll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazurus Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 1 hour ago, mll said: For the NHL he was a RFA. The reserve list includes the players whose rights the team owns - RFAs as well as prospects who have yet to sign an ELC. Puljujarvi was a signed player in Liiga on the Oilers reserve list. He too is a RFA and had to be signed by 1 December had he wished to play this season. He is listed on the reserve list as a defected player, meaning he had signed and played in the NHL and then returned to the KHL after his NHL contract expired, he was not under contract with the NHL and not a RFA, if he was his years in the KHL would have had him a UFA now. When this happens the Canucks list him as a defected player and on their reserve list as such he is always their property and on their team, one of the 80 or 90 they are allowed to have on their lists. As a defected reserve player he is not a RFA until he signs with the team but as a defected player on the reserve list he can sign at any time his KHL contract is terminated or expires. Just like Ferland is on a injured reserve list, Tryamkin is on a defected reserve list. 1 hour ago, mll said: For the NHL he was a RFA. The reserve list includes the players whose rights the team owns - RFAs as well as prospects who have yet to sign an ELC. Puljujarvi was a signed player in Liiga on the Oilers reserve list. He too is a RFA and had to be signed by 1 December had he wished to play this season. No he was different, he was under contract the previous season and the December 1 date is for all players and hold outs and if he was going to play this year or be traded and signed by another team.now that he has spent a year with a different club he would be listed as a defected player but Edmonton still holds his rights and list him on their reserve list. Next year he or his rights could be traded anytime and then sign and play, it is a loop hole in player eligibility as a defected player. The intent was to not punish a team with a high draft pick that bolts not give the player extra leverage. For any player to exercise this option they have to play a season in the KHL or other professional league. TO is getting a Swede after the TDL and December 1 to play this year I think I heard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Lazurus said: He is listed on the reserve list as a defected player, meaning he had signed and played in the NHL and then returned to the KHL after his NHL contract expired, he was not under contract with the NHL and not a RFA, if he was his years in the KHL would have had him a UFA now. When this happens the Canucks list him as a defected player and on their reserve list as such he is always their property and on their team, one of the 80 or 90 they are allowed to have on their lists. As a defected reserve player he is not a RFA until he signs with the team but as a defected player on the reserve list he can sign at any time his KHL contract is terminated or expires. Just like Ferland is on a injured reserve list, Tryamkin is on a defected reserve list. No he was different, he was under contract the previous season and the December 1 date is for all players and hold outs and if he was going to play this year or be traded and signed by another team.now that he has spent a year with a different club he would be listed as a defected player but Edmonton still holds his rights and list him on their reserve list. Next year he or his rights could be traded anytime and then sign and play, it is a loop hole in player eligibility as a defected player. The intent was to not punish a team with a high draft pick that bolts not give the player extra leverage. For any player to exercise this option they have to play a season in the KHL or other professional league. TO is getting a Swede after the TDL and December 1 to play this year I think I heard. Benning talks of signing him for next year. He can't sign this year. He's a RFA and had to be signed by 1 December to be allowed to play this season. Even his agent isn't talking of him signing this season but next. https://www.tsn.ca/agent-vancouver-canucks-nikita-tryamkin-in-communication-1.1462602 Diamond added, however, that the two sides will likely have to wait to reach a deal until the fate of the current season is decided and next year's salary cap is set. “Things are obviously stuck because of the uncertainty of the near future and what affect it’s going to have on the numbers,” Diamond said. “We have to see what the cap is going to look like and if we can march this thing forward, or if we can’t.” Edited May 29, 2020 by mll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazurus Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, mll said: Benning talks of signing him for next year. He can't sign this year. He's a RFA and had to be signed by 1 December to be allowed to play this season. I was looking at previous pages on this topic and you have participated in about 45 pages with several posters that have all found rules, clauses previous examples and given dozens of explanations but you still continue to argue you are right and everyone else is wrong. Perhaps the NHL recently ruling that KHL players are NOT eligible for the PLAY IN ROUND would show you that they are indeed allowed to play this year. They have ASKED teams not to play KHL players this year, ASKED. That Benning hasn't signed him is no big deal, he hasn't signed anyone except Holander, he isn't even talking with agents evidently. Benning also said he wanted to sign _______ next year, "we think he will be a reeeeall gooood player for us" numerous times. Current media is discussing players joining their teams from the KHL. You really need to read some of this stuff, Pooparty and Nylander were different circumstances,they hadn't played for a full year on a foreign team. There is something I remember reading a post that refereed to cap friendly about this.as well. Don't get mixed up with current players and those on reserve lists and learn about defected players and signing FA's that were not under contract the previous season. Didn't Carolina have a player that signed after the TDL that was a FA on their reserve list, Justin Williams signed January 7. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Lazurus said: I was looking at previous pages on this topic and you have participated in about 45 pages with several posters that have all found rules, clauses previous examples and given dozens of explanations but you still continue to argue you are right and everyone else is wrong. Perhaps the NHL recently ruling that KHL players are NOT eligible for the PLAY IN ROUND would show you that they are indeed allowed to play this year. They have ASKED teams not to play KHL players this year, ASKED. That Benning hasn't signed him is no big deal, he hasn't signed anyone except Holander, he isn't even talking with agents evidently. Benning also said he wanted to sign _______ next year, "we think he will be a reeeeall gooood player for us" numerous times. Current media is discussing players joining their teams from the KHL. You really need to read some of this stuff, Pooparty and Nylander were different circumstances,they hadn't played for a full year on a foreign team. There is something I remember reading a post that refereed to cap friendly about this.as well. Don't get mixed up with current players and those on reserve lists and learn about defected players and signing FA's that were not under contract the previous season. Didn't Carolina have a player that signed after the TDL that was a FA on their reserve list, Justin Williams signed January 7. Justin Williams was a UFA and was not on any teams reserve list. He could have signed with any team. UFAs can be signed up to the TDL to participate in the playoffs. Nashville did that with Mike Fisher. There are several different category of players and each are treated differently. Tryamkin is a group 2 RFA and that category of player cannot play if they are not signed by 1 December. Current media is talking about new ELC players like Romanov, Scott Perunovich, Ian Mitchell, Rathbone etc. Tryamkin does not fall in that category of players. Boeser and Hughes signed once their season was over - Canucks did not make the playoffs that year. Makar signed during the playoffs. Dreger talks of entry level players - ie new ELCs. Edited May 29, 2020 by mll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 3 hours ago, Lazurus said: He wasn't under contract, the Canucks just held his rights and he hadn't had a contract for over two years so just like Cale Makar last year or Radulov years ago, nothing has changed. With the KHL season officially being cancelled Wednesday, players with expiring KHL contracts are free to sign with NHL teams as of May 1. Golden Knights may get playoff boost from KHL MVP Nikita Gusev will join the Vegas Golden Knights this weekend and could possibly play in the Stanley Cup Playoffs, TSN reported Friday. Gusev is the reigning MVP of the Kontinental Hockey League. The 26-year-old left wing has played with SKA St. Petersburg since 2015-16 and this season led the KHL with 82 points (17 goals, 65 assists). There is an agreement between the KHL and NHL a memorandum; The agreement respects the professional contracts of players from both leagues and obliges both sides to complete a range of procedures to avoid conflicts in the process of players moving from one league to the other. Gusev signed his ELC - ie his 1st ever NHL contract. Tolvanen also signed at the end of the season with Nashville coming from the KHL. Gusev and Tolvanen were on new ELCs like Boeser, Makar, Hughes. Tryamkin is a RFA and will sign his 2nd NHL contract. They are not in the same category of players. New ELCs have always been allowed to sign but this year the league does not want to authorise it. That's what they are talking about in media because it's a change from previous years and the NHLPA is fighting it. Tryamkin is trying to sign his 2nd contract. He is a RFA and not a new ELC player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Gusev was traded to Jersey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Tryamkin is just what the doctor ordered for the playoffs. Would be awesome for JB to sign him so I can watch the meltdown on here. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 34 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said: Tryamkin is just what the doctor ordered for the playoffs. Would be awesome for JB to sign him so I can watch the meltdown on here. Lol...yeah....cuz a #6 D is going to make the difference lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Pete M said: Gusev was traded to Jersey He signed his ELC with Vegas and burned that 1st year - he never played a game but he was an option to play. It was a 1 year ELC because of his age. Like Boeser, Makar etc he was a 1st time ELC and not a RFA as he had never ever played in the NHL before. Vegas then traded his rights to NJD in the off-season and NJD signed him to his 2nd contract - 2 years at 4.5M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Kanukfanatic said: Lol...yeah....cuz a #6 D is going to make the difference lol. Once Tryamkins career in the NHL gets its foundation .. he will become far more impactive a player in the playoffs than what Tanev has been at 16 games played over 10 seasons so far. Maybe before you leave to join Space Force,.. you can throw a hot water bottle and a bag of ice on that stretcher that’s waiting for CT.. don’t forget to tip the ambulance driver. Edited May 30, 2020 by SilentSam 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 4 hours ago, Kanukfanatic said: Lol...yeah....cuz a #6 D is going to make the difference lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 8 hours ago, Kanukfanatic said: Lol...yeah....cuz a #6 D is going to make the difference lol. Depends on who he runs over. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 14 hours ago, Kanukfanatic said: Lol...yeah....cuz a #6 D is going to make the difference lol. #3D playing in the #6D position....I'll take that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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