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3 hours ago, stawns said:

right now i think Risto has more value than Boes, JB would probably have to add

Yup.  D & Forwards of similiar ability (taking account of health of each player) - you're generally going to always find the D will hold more value than a F.  Might be different is said F was a Center.

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28 minutes ago, Provost said:

The KHL isn’t going to sign players with an option to leave just before their playoffs start.  If they did, it would be dozens of guys and not just Tryamkin and that would be too disruptive.

If he hasn’t signed before whatever the revised Dec 1st deadline will be, he wouldn’t be eligible to play in the NHL.

Not many players would bail on their team near the end of the season.

He doesn’t get paid to train, he wouldn’t be drawing a paycheque until the NHL season started.... IF it starts depending on a 2nd wave of virus and further closures.

The NHL doesn’t look like it will have it’s cap issues/escrow sorted out in the very near future.  His KHL team isn’t likely going to wait until their season is starting  before settling their roster, especially now that there are cap considerations for the first time.

Yeah, it’s going to be interesting to see how patient Tryamkin can be. Hopefully he has become disillusioned enough by the KHL and Russia after being left off the Russian Olympic team and his role somewhat declining once it was established he wasn’t planning to extend his KHL contract. He has hopefully come to fully realize his future is the NHL and his patience in the coming weeks will ultimately pay off for him and for us.

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If Benning and the NHL screw this thing up, I will be so mad.

 

Benning should sign Tryamkin to a 4 year contract at 3.25 Million per year and get it done

 

My view is he is at least a #4 Dman, and if he does not demand a NTC, he would be able to be moved

 

to a team like Boston or Washington, if he did not work out here....I do not see the risk

 

Certainly, no more risk than Eriksson, Beagle, Roussel or Myers have been

 

Remember that with escrow, the actual cap number is not the actual payday number, and is only a cap number , which is more a Team Cap Ceiling and floor calculation

 

To me, with Tryamkin being able to play both sides, he would be competing with Juolevi, Rathbone, Rafferty and Woo

 

It either makes him expendable or it makes one of them expendable...…………….

 

Is that something that should matter to us?

 

With Edler and Tanev being 30 ish…...something has to give with our young Dman………..that, or Benning and the Canucks are in a whole lot of trouble in 2 years

 

So Benning.....$hit or get off the pot!

 

 

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16 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said:

If Benning and the NHL screw this thing up, I will be so mad.

 

Benning should sign Tryamkin to a 4 year contract at 3.25 Million per year and get it done

 

My view is he is at least a #4 Dman, and if he does not demand a NTC, he would be able to be moved

 

to a team like Boston or Washington, if he did not work out here....I do not see the risk

 

Certainly, no more risk than Eriksson, Beagle, Roussel or Myers have been

 

Remember that with escrow, the actual cap number is not the actual payday number, and is only a cap number , which is more a Team Cap Ceiling and floor calculation

 

To me, with Tryamkin being able to play both sides, he would be competing with Juolevi, Rathbone, Rafferty and Woo

 

It either makes him expendable or it makes one of them expendable...…………….

 

Is that something that should matter to us?

 

With Edler and Tanev being 30 ish…...something has to give with our young Dman………..that, or Benning and the Canucks are in a whole lot of trouble in 2 years

 

So Benning.....$hit or get off the pot!

 

 

Why does he deserves a long term big money deal?   He has proven nothing.  
 

In fact, even you said he would be competing with a bunch of guys who haven’t even made the NHL yet.  
 

If Benn is overpaid as a 6-7, what would Tryamkin be at way more money and term?

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19 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said:

If Benning and the NHL screw this thing up, I will be so mad.

 

Benning should sign Tryamkin to a 4 year contract at 3.25 Million per year and get it done

 

My view is he is at least a #4 Dman, and if he does not demand a NTC, he would be able to be moved

 

to a team like Boston or Washington, if he did not work out here....I do not see the risk

 

Certainly, no more risk than Eriksson, Beagle, Roussel or Myers have been

 

Remember that with escrow, the actual cap number is not the actual payday number, and is only a cap number , which is more a Team Cap Ceiling and floor calculation

 

To me, with Tryamkin being able to play both sides, he would be competing with Juolevi, Rathbone, Rafferty and Woo

 

It either makes him expendable or it makes one of them expendable...…………….

 

Is that something that should matter to us?

 

With Edler and Tanev being 30 ish…...something has to give with our young Dman………..that, or Benning and the Canucks are in a whole lot of trouble in 2 years

 

So Benning.....$hit or get off the pot!

 

 

I’m curious. What exactly do you think the NHL would go to “screw this up”?  This is between the Canucks and Tryamkin’s agent 

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1 minute ago, qwijibo said:

I’m curious. What exactly do you think the NHL would go to “screw this up”?  This is between the Canucks and Tryamkin’s agent 

IMO, the longer the NHL takes to announce the Cap for the 2020-2021 season, the more they pressure those teams that have cap issues and need to make decisions

 

Personally, I think the NHL has dropped the ball, in this regard

 

The longer they wait, the shorter time frame Gm's will have to massage their line ups, and make deals...……..there will be mistakes made because of this...…...

 

I think it is foolish to wait...……….

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Just now, janisahockeynut said:

IMO, the longer the NHL takes to announce the Cap for the 2020-2021 season, the more they pressure those teams that have cap issues and need to make decisions

 

Personally, I think the NHL has dropped the ball, in this regard

 

The longer they wait, the shorter time frame Gm's will have to massage their line ups, and make deals...……..there will be mistakes made because of this...…...

 

I think it is foolish to wait...……….

They need to factor in whether or not the league will be able to get the playoffs in (and avoid massive penalties from the tv networks).  That revenue (or lack there of) will impact the cap.  They’re not waiting on it to make things difficult for GM’s.  They simply can’t calculate it until they know if the return to play plan will actually work 

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7 minutes ago, drummerboy said:

Why does he deserves a long term big money deal?   He has proven nothing.  
 

In fact, even you said he would be competing with a bunch of guys who haven’t even made the NHL yet.  
 

If Benn is overpaid as a 6-7, what would Tryamkin be at way more money and term?

Well, you and I disagree on that one big fellow

IMO, those that do not agree with me, usually argue about Tryamkin's last season and usually talk about his first half

Where as his second half was much different, and he was put in a bigger role because of injuries

IMO, he played at a much better , and changed the way oppositions attacked the Canucks during that time

People conveniently use the former instead of the latter.....this confuses me, as I think he proved himself during that period

Furthermore, Those who disagree with me, will quote things such as Tryamkin sat in the KHL, which just shows the ignorance of some

The truth is, Tryamkin played in a rotation, and was an all-star in a league that is very political, and where manipulation is rampant

So, IMO, the bottom line from Tryamkin's KHL days, was and is a that he was a dominant defensive Dman, with superior size

Something that he had shown in his short NHL career, as a rookie (Something that everybody seems to forget~!)

My final point would be, that as Tryamkin has aged, he has grown, and prioritized his life better....IMO, I would bet his wife would too!

 

So, as a Russian, he has proven everything Radulov had proven.....and you do not see his contract being small...……….

IMO. this Tryamkin argument is exhausting!

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14 minutes ago, qwijibo said:

They need to factor in whether or not the league will be able to get the playoffs in (and avoid massive penalties from the tv networks).  That revenue (or lack there of) will impact the cap.  They’re not waiting on it to make things difficult for GM’s.  They simply can’t calculate it until they know if the return to play plan will actually work 

Well, ok then....

Maybe they should announce measures that would work either way

So like...….extending UFA contracts long enough that this pause does not affect their dealing or trades

To me, it just seems they are flying by the seat of their arse on this one...…...

 

For example...….maybe they should explain to us fans, just how the expiring contracts will be handled, if the season is prolonged

Maybe they should tell us that teams will have some time after the season ends to either resign the players, or trade them

 

To me, they look like they just don't know...………….that looks bad on the league IMO

And handcuffs franchises

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9 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said:

Well, you and I disagree on that one big fellow

IMO, those that do not agree with me, usually argue about Tryamkin's last season and usually talk about his first half

Where as his second half was much different, and he was put in a bigger role because of injuries

IMO, he played at a much better , and changed the way oppositions attacked the Canucks during that time

People conveniently use the former instead of the latter.....this confuses me, as I think he proved himself during that period

Furthermore, Those who disagree with me, will quote things such as Tryamkin sat in the KHL, which just shows the ignorance of some

The truth is, Tryamkin played in a rotation, and was an all-star in a league that is very political, and where manipulation is rampant

So, IMO, the bottom line from Tryamkin's KHL days, was and is a that he was a dominant defensive Dman, with superior size

Something that he had shown in his short NHL career, as a rookie (Something that everybody seems to forget~!)

My final point would be, that as Tryamkin has aged, he has grown, and prioritized his life better....IMO, I would bet his wife would too!

 

So, as a Russian, he has proven everything Radulov had proven.....and you do not see his contract being small...……….

IMO. this Tryamkin argument is exhausting!

Hahah

yeah i could see how that would be exhausting assuming every thing I could say.  
 

Im wondering, if he has proven so much, and is so fantastic, why do you having him competing for a spot against all the hopeful rookies?

 

someone getting signed to 3.5x4 is walking into a guaranteed top 4 spot.  

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2 hours ago, Provost said:

The KHL isn’t going to sign players with an option to leave just before their playoffs start.  If they did, it would be dozens of guys and not just Tryamkin and that would be too disruptive.

If he hasn’t signed before whatever the revised Dec 1st deadline will be, he wouldn’t be eligible to play in the NHL.

Not many players would bail on their team near the end of the season.

He doesn’t get paid to train, he wouldn’t be drawing a paycheque until the NHL season started.... IF it starts depending on a 2nd wave of virus and further closures.

The NHL doesn’t look like it will have it’s cap issues/escrow sorted out in the very near future.  His KHL team isn’t likely going to wait until their season is starting  before settling their roster, especially now that there are cap considerations for the first time.

Players sign annual salaries. If they have a signing bonus in their contract, then would get that money upfront. They are obligated to team rules and train based on team recommendations. I'm not aware of players getting paid on a per game basis and why they would only get paid when a season starts.

 

However if that were the case, then I read that their season could end in February, so he could sign a one "year" deal that states that he could leave as soon as his season is done rather than be tied down until a certain contract end date. This wouldn't be much different than Podkolzin joining us later as well.

 

I just don't think this news is the end of Tryamkin for us. In the end, he is very likely to make more money here than in the KHL with their cap in the end and ultimately that's the decision he still has to make.

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1 hour ago, drummerboy said:

Why does he deserves a long term big money deal?   He has proven nothing.  
 

In fact, even you said he would be competing with a bunch of guys who haven’t even made the NHL yet.  
 

If Benn is overpaid as a 6-7, what would Tryamkin be at way more money and term?

Disagree. He has proven he's a giant. It's comical to think that he can't have learned anything in the KHL in 3 years. He played with Datsyuk this year ftr. If you put him on Hughes right he opens up a huge chunk of ice for quick transition. If has the possession game, he'll be unstoppable.

 

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10 minutes ago, canuckledraggin said:

Disagree. He has proven he's a giant. It's comical to think that he can't have learned anything in the KHL in 3 years. He played with Datsyuk this year ftr. If you put him on Hughes right he opens up a huge chunk of ice for quick transition. If has the possession game, he'll be unstoppable.

 

This is the kind of cock-eyed optimism that’s missing from my life right now! I want to argue with a good portion of what you say here but I’m somehow warmed by your take and have decided I want all of this to be true. I can play the contrarian another day.

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22 minutes ago, zimmy said:

This is the kind of cock-eyed optimism that’s missing from my life right now! I want to argue with a good portion of what you say here but I’m somehow warmed by your take and have decided I want all of this to be true. I can play the contrarian another day.

Well played sir. Uncock your eyes and you will be set free.

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1 hour ago, theo5789 said:

Players sign annual salaries. If they have a signing bonus in their contract, then would get that money upfront. They are obligated to team rules and train based on team recommendations. I'm not aware of players getting paid on a per game basis and why they would only get paid when a season starts.

 

However if that were the case, then I read that their season could end in February, so he could sign a one "year" deal that states that he could leave as soon as his season is done rather than be tied down until a certain contract end date. This wouldn't be much different than Podkolzin joining us later as well.

 

I just don't think this news is the end of Tryamkin for us. In the end, he is very likely to make more money here than in the KHL with their cap in the end and ultimately that's the decision he still has to make.

 

Players receive their base salary roughly every two weeks throughout the regular season - 1st pay-check in October and the last in April.  The calendar will be adjusted for next season.  

 

Tryamkin is RFA and to be allowed to play he has to be signed by 1 December - that deadline will adjust based on the new calendar but if he is not under contract by that new deadline he can't play for the season.  That's why he can't sign for this season.

 

For now the league is not allowing new ELCs to sign this season.  Romanov, Perunovich, Sorokin, etc are not allowed to join although guys like Boeser, Hughes, Makar, Tolvanen were in the past.  The NHLPA is fighting it as it's a CBA negotiated rule.  If that goes through and applies beyond just this season then Podkolzin would not be allowed to join once his season is over and will have to wait the start of the following season.

 

NYI is at risk of losing Sorokin because of that rule as he doesn't want to wait that long before playing.  His KHL team made it clear that they will not accept loans.  The KHL doesn't want to have players leaving the league.  They have even blacklisted several NHL agents like Millstein, Theofanous from doing business there earlier this year as they don't want them recruiting players to sign in the NHL.  

 

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3 hours ago, janisahockeynut said:

Well, ok then....

Maybe they should announce measures that would work either way

So like...….extending UFA contracts long enough that this pause does not affect their dealing or trades

To me, it just seems they are flying by the seat of their arse on this one...…...

 

For example...….maybe they should explain to us fans, just how the expiring contracts will be handled, if the season is prolonged

Maybe they should tell us that teams will have some time after the season ends to either resign the players, or trade them

 

To me, they look like they just don't know...………….that looks bad on the league IMO

And handcuffs franchises

Maybe that’s something that hasn’t been ironed out yet with the players union. They can’t just arbitrarily decide these things. The players need to agree to those things.  

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4 hours ago, janisahockeynut said:

IMO, the longer the NHL takes to announce the Cap for the 2020-2021 season, the more they pressure those teams that have cap issues and need to make decisions

 

Personally, I think the NHL has dropped the ball, in this regard

 

The longer they wait, the shorter time frame Gm's will have to massage their line ups, and make deals...……..there will be mistakes made because of this...…...

 

I think it is foolish to wait...……….

 

If Tryamkin was such a priority and Benning felt his demands were reasonable he would have already negotiated a deal.  The KHL season is set to start on time.  The NHL season will probably not start before January.

 

There's a trade freeze in effect for the 24 teams in the play-ins.  The other 7 can trade among themselves.

 

Several in media have reported that contracts are going to slide till the season is completed.  See Friedman below.

 

The salary cap is typically announced around the draft give or take a few days.  Players vote on the cap.  There's nothing to vote on as numbers won't be known until closer to the draft.

 

Activity is concentrated from June to mid-July with the draft and free agency - roughly 4 weeks.  GMs have their phones off in August.  The schedule simply slides - there's still going to be a draft and free agency.  

 

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Friedman in his 31 thoughts last month:

My guess is we don’t see training camps before July. In addition to the playoff format, it sounds like the NHL and NHLPA are working together on adjusting the critical-dates calendar. That means contracts for players will be extended from June 30 (the normal end of each season) to whenever this year officially concludes. 

 

The interesting thing will be contracts for coaches/executives scheduled to expire on that date. There will be the option to extend those, too, but there might be situations where a team and/or an individual would not wish to extend. Vancouver and amateur scouting director Judd Brackett would be an obvious one. There is at least one coach not extended past this season who has mused about declining to return.

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40 minutes ago, qwijibo said:

Maybe that’s something that hasn’t been ironed out yet with the players union. They can’t just arbitrarily decide these things. The players need to agree to those things.  

I get that Q...point taken!

But it just seems there is no communication with the fans

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1 hour ago, mll said:

 

Players receive their base salary roughly every two weeks throughout the regular season - 1st pay-check in October and the last in April.  The calendar will be adjusted for next season.  

 

Tryamkin is RFA and to be allowed to play he has to be signed by 1 December - that deadline will adjust based on the new calendar but if he is not under contract by that new deadline he can't play for the season.  That's why he can't sign for this season.

 

For now the league is not allowing new ELCs to sign this season.  Romanov, Perunovich, Sorokin, etc are not allowed to join although guys like Boeser, Hughes, Makar, Tolvanen were in the past.  The NHLPA is fighting it as it's a CBA negotiated rule.  If that goes through and applies beyond just this season then Podkolzin would not be allowed to join once his season is over and will have to wait the start of the following season.

 

NYI is at risk of losing Sorokin because of that rule as he doesn't want to wait that long before playing.  His KHL team made it clear that they will not accept loans.  The KHL doesn't want to have players leaving the league.  They have even blacklisted several NHL agents like Millstein, Theofanous from doing business there earlier this year as they don't want them recruiting players to sign in the NHL.  

 

https://eyesonisles.com/2020/06/04/islanders-ilya-sorokin-update-cska-moscow-1-year-extension/

 

I assume this is the Sorokin thing you mentioned. It doesn't sound like they will lose him, just that he may potentially be delayed a year further and it sounds like he does want to make the jump to the NHL and with NYI. They are in initial talks which seems like it's a fair thing to do to make plans for whatever happens.

 

It seems this rule right now simply applies for this season due to the circumstances. I'd be surprised if the league suddenly changes the CBA to extend beyond this season, so I highly doubt this affects Podkolzin, but we will see.

 

As for Tryamkin, as I mentioned, we could simply entice him with a signing bonus that he would get upfront if the concern is getting paid. Surely we will know the cap situation and will have decided to sign Tryamkin or not well before the December or extended date. If Tryamkin decides to throw away bigger money so he can simply play sooner than later, then that's on him. I think if Tryamkin's intention was to stay in the KHL, he would've done so a long time ago. He wants to return to the NHL, it's just a matter of making it work for both sides and that won't be at least until the cap for next year is announced so plans can be made. There's a lot of clarity still needed, but I still don't think this news is the end of Tryamkin here.

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