Nuxfanabroad Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 In a stunning plot twist, heard the AHL has refused to go to Siberia! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slegr Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 I got this funny feeling Canucks tentatively signed Tryamkin this week, but aren’t finalizing it until end of playoffs so they don’t shake Stecher’s confidence. He has scored enough own goals this year - he doesn’t need any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 2 hours ago, Slegr said: I got this funny feeling Canucks tentatively signed Tryamkin this week, but aren’t finalizing it until end of playoffs so they don’t shake Stecher’s confidence. He has scored enough own goals this year - he doesn’t need any more. Seems to be a lot of Russian players signing right now. Romanov, Sorokin, Kaprizov etc. Hopefully we can keep that streak going. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 1 hour ago, DeNiro said: Seems to be a lot of Russian players signing right now. Romanov, Sorokin, Kaprizov etc. Hopefully we can keep that streak going. This signing period really only affects ELCs I believe in that they can burn that first year of ELC. We could sign Tryamkin at any time basically, he just won't be available to play for this play-in/playoffs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 10 hours ago, DeNiro said: Seems to be a lot of Russian players signing right now. Romanov, Sorokin, Kaprizov etc. Hopefully we can keep that streak going. Add this player, Grigorenko .... $1.2 mill https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/mikhail-grigorenko-signs-one-year-1-2-million-deal-blue-jackets/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 I think his KHL team training camp opens tomorrow, the clock is ticking if he hadn’t signed here yet. No Rathbone or Tryamkin signing yet... we probably need to have one or both of these guys as cheaper replacements next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 57 minutes ago, Provost said: I think his KHL team training camp opens tomorrow, the clock is ticking if he hadn’t signed here yet. No Rathbone or Tryamkin signing yet... we probably need to have one or both of these guys as cheaper replacements next season. Sautner, Brisebois, Rafferty, Chatfield Juolevi, Woo. While I'd certainly welcome both, we don't 'need' either. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 35 minutes ago, aGENT said: Sautner, Brisebois, Rafferty, Chatfield Juolevi, Woo. While I'd certainly welcome both, we don't 'need' either. None of those guys is a great bet to be NHL regulars, never mind solid top 4 D men. That is the equivalent of our forward prospect depth 5 years ago when guys like you were slavering over the thought of getting Cassels, Gaunce, and Jensen into our lineup to make up Cup contenders. Rafferty is the best of the bunch and he is 25 years old with 2 NHL games under his belt. He is still a long shot to be a difference maker at all. The rest will be lucky to stick in the NHL at all at this point in their development, we can just hope they take strides over the next few years. Rathbone is thought of well outside this market as a possible 2nd pairing upside. Tryamkin is a legit 3rd pairing NHL D now, and maybe can even be a little better. They would immediately be above anyone in your dog's breakfast of a prospect list in the depth chart. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herberts Vasiljevs Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 13 minutes ago, Provost said: Rathbone is thought of well outside this market as a possible 2nd pairing upside. Tryamkin is a legit 3rd pairing NHL D now, and maybe can even be a little better. They would immediately be above anyone in your dog's breakfast of a prospect list in the depth chart. Maybe except for someone like Woo who's still pretty green, but it's far from a forgone conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Provost said: None of those guys is a great bet to be NHL regulars, never mind solid top 4 D men. That is the equivalent of our forward prospect depth 5 years ago when guys like you were slavering over the thought of getting Cassels, Gaunce, and Jensen into our lineup to make up Cup contenders. Rafferty is the best of the bunch and he is 25 years old with 2 NHL games under his belt. He is still a long shot to be a difference maker at all. The rest will be lucky to stick in the NHL at all at this point in their development, we can just hope they take strides over the next few years. Rathbone is thought of well outside this market as a possible 2nd pairing upside. Tryamkin is a legit 3rd pairing NHL D now, and maybe can even be a little better. They would immediately be above anyone in your dog's breakfast of a prospect list in the depth chart. Your making arguments about things I never said. I never claimed they were all top 4 locks or had higher ceilings than Rathbone. I'm well aware of Rathbone's potential. I'm also well aware he's going to likely need more seasoning before he's NHL ready. And Sautner and Chatfield I'll grant you aren't likely to ever be top 4, or even top 6 D (an argument I didn't make), they'd be perfectly fine as cheap 7/8 D though, which you may not have noticed is all we really 'need' this coming season (unless you can manage to pull a legit 1st pair right D out of some orifice, which none of these guys are ever to likely be, Rath and Try included). Any of Juolevi, Woo, Brisebois and maybe Rafferty (though I see Rafferty as more a potential 3rd pair/spare, 2nd pp 'Yanick Weber' type) could become middle pair D (though most, outside Juolevi -still even a long shot first pair- are likely bottom pair). Brisebois is criminally underrated around here though. Any of them can easily play bottom pair soon/eventually, either with, or instead of Tryamkin. So again, we don't 'need' either guy this coming season. I'm happy to add either/both though as it simply gives us more depth and options. Edited July 14, 2020 by aGENT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 You know Keven Bieska/Alex Edler/Chris Tanev all came up to the Canucks from the Farm team at pretty much the same time and all though they had good solid numbers, they were not crazy numbers Now you have Brisebois and Rafferty both showing very strong +/- and no one gives them any never mind Even Juolevi's numbers are not horrendous, and Woo has not played 1 pro game Yet everybody writes these guys off........I don't get it! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 (edited) 35 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said: You know Keven Bieska/Alex Edler/Chris Tanev all came up to the Canucks from the Farm team at pretty much the same time and all though they had good solid numbers, they were not crazy numbers Now you have Brisebois and Rafferty both showing very strong +/- and no one gives them any never mind Even Juolevi's numbers are not horrendous, and Woo has not played 1 pro game Yet everybody writes these guys off........I don't get it! What?! Bieksa already had 39 points as a 23 year old on the AHL as a fighting, tough as nails physical D man who wasn’t picked for his offence. Eder already had 22 NHL games under his belt at 20 years old and had a 37 point season in the NHL when he turned 22. At 21 and 22 years old, Tanev had 54 NHL games stint as a call up and was already developing as a premiere defensive guy. No one is writing off our current prospects, but in no way are they trending as the next coming of our next defence corps. Brisebois turns 23 next week. He hasn’t broken 4 goals and 18 points in the AHL. Rafferty is 25 with 2 NHL games total. Edler was playing a significant role in his first Stanley Cup final at that age with 300 NHL games under his belt and had already averaged 37 points over three NHL seasons. There is no reasonable statistical comparison between the two groups of guys. Even if there were, just because Tanev defied all odds to make an excellent career, it doesn’t mean that Ashton Sautner will do the same. Edited July 14, 2020 by Provost 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 3 hours ago, Provost said: Even if there were, just because Tanev defied all odds to make an excellent career, it doesn’t mean that Ashton Sautner will do the same. Still arguing a point no one made I see. Are you performing in a small production of Wizard of Oz perhaps? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 6 hours ago, Provost said: What?! Bieksa already had 39 points as a 23 year old on the AHL as a fighting, tough as nails physical D man who wasn’t picked for his offence. Eder already had 22 NHL games under his belt at 20 years old and had a 37 point season in the NHL when he turned 22. At 21 and 22 years old, Tanev had 54 NHL games stint as a call up and was already developing as a premiere defensive guy. No one is writing off our current prospects, but in no way are they trending as the next coming of our next defence corps. Brisebois turns 23 next week. He hasn’t broken 4 goals and 18 points in the AHL. Rafferty is 25 with 2 NHL games total. Edler was playing a significant role in his first Stanley Cup final at that age with 300 NHL games under his belt and had already averaged 37 points over three NHL seasons. There is no reasonable statistical comparison between the two groups of guys. Even if there were, just because Tanev defied all odds to make an excellent career, it doesn’t mean that Ashton Sautner will do the same. Provost My comparisons were merely for the fact that the Canucks of years ago, did bring guys up..... This regime does not seem to do that Both Brisebois and Rafferty have excellent =/- and that is totally ignored and it seems if the players do not score 40 points, you have no interest, nor can you see their contributions There age has nothing to do with it, as I doubt Benn would show that well in the "A" Let's see what Juolevi can do........Gerry Cheever's was a rotten practice goalie, but was a pretty good playoff goalie Just saying! As for Sautner, every time I have watched him play up, he has played well and has not cost the Canucks a thing, in terms of GA Never mind Woo, who has not even played a game in pro, and is already being tagged I am just saying, Benning has been shy to experiment........ That is all...........time for you to take your blood pressure meds! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 16 hours ago, janisahockeynut said: Provost My comparisons were merely for the fact that the Canucks of years ago, did bring guys up..... This regime does not seem to do that Both Brisebois and Rafferty have excellent =/- and that is totally ignored and it seems if the players do not score 40 points, you have no interest, nor can you see their contributions There age has nothing to do with it, as I doubt Benn would show that well in the "A" Let's see what Juolevi can do........Gerry Cheever's was a rotten practice goalie, but was a pretty good playoff goalie Just saying! As for Sautner, every time I have watched him play up, he has played well and has not cost the Canucks a thing, in terms of GA Never mind Woo, who has not even played a game in pro, and is already being tagged I am just saying, Benning has been shy to experiment........ That is all...........time for you to take your blood pressure meds! I'm not sure what you mean by that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 23 hours ago, janisahockeynut said: You know Keven Bieska/Alex Edler/Chris Tanev all came up to the Canucks from the Farm team at pretty much the same time and all though they had good solid numbers, they were not crazy numbers Now you have Brisebois and Rafferty both showing very strong +/- and no one gives them any never mind Even Juolevi's numbers are not horrendous, and Woo has not played 1 pro game Yet everybody writes these guys off........I don't get it! Jan, I think this is the direct initiative behind Benning creating a true Farm system, with exceptions to players like EP, QH, and possibly Rathbone,. Time can be more rewarding to let more physically apt players develop to their best opportunity to make it to the NHL Level an stick. Joulevi, Woo, Breisbois, Rafferty,. even apart from the absence of Tryamkin,. To have them at their mature best, to defend against some of the leagues strongest is a true advantage. just because players spend a little more time on their game elsewhere, does not mean their game is not good enough.. but because they are possibly more physically attributed.. it’s best to let that mature muscle and mindset build. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, SilentSam said: Jan, I think this is the direct initiative behind Benning creating a true Farm system, with exceptions to players like EP, QH, and possibly Rathbone,. Time can be more rewarding to let more physically apt players develop to their best opportunity to make it to the NHL Level an stick. Joulevi, Woo, Breisbois, Rafferty,. even apart from the absence of Tryamkin,. To have them at their mature best, to defend against some of the leagues strongest is a true advantage. just because players spend a little more time on their game elsewhere, does not mean their game is not good enough.. but because they are possibly more physically attributed.. it’s best to let that mature muscle and mindset build. Give them an opportunity and let them succeed...they can't be worst than Larsen and Weber, who were given opportunity...and Poo Edited July 16, 2020 by Pete M 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 10 hours ago, SilentSam said: Jan, I think this is the direct initiative behind Benning creating a true Farm system, with exceptions to players like EP, QH, and possibly Rathbone,. Time can be more rewarding to let more physically apt players develop to their best opportunity to make it to the NHL Level an stick. Joulevi, Woo, Breisbois, Rafferty,. even apart from the absence of Tryamkin,. To have them at their mature best, to defend against some of the leagues strongest is a true advantage. just because players spend a little more time on their game elsewhere, does not mean their game is not good enough.. but because they are possibly more physically attributed.. it’s best to let that mature muscle and mindset build. And I am all for that.... But at the same time, why sign Benn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 3 hours ago, Pete M said: Give them an opportunity and let them succeed...they can't be worst than Larsen and Weber, who were given opportunity...and Poo You do realize there's reasoning for letting plugs absorb all that vitriol ('poo') on what are likely to be struggling teams, in tough, rebuilding years, rather than prospects you'd hope have a long term future with the club... right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 (edited) Any chance Big Nik(& the Diamonds) have shaken hands with JB in agreement..but they've also agreed not to make it official until after the play-ins are done? Easy to see how this could prove distracting to the D-men who are playing for a slot/contract. edit: with the COVID-crunch..maybe two yrs at 2.8, or around 3 at 2.5 Edited July 16, 2020 by Nuxfanabroad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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