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2 minutes ago, mll said:

He can't though. Not if the NHL starts on time - scheduled tentatively for 1 December.  He will be past the RFA signing deadline and will have to wait for 2021/22 to play in Vancouver.  The NHL season would have to start sometime in February for him to have a chance to make the RFA signing deadline - it's about a quarter into the season.  

I would imagine they adjust that date to account for players in other leagues no?

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11 minutes ago, mll said:

He can't though. Not if the NHL starts on time - scheduled tentatively for 1 December.  He will be past the RFA signing deadline and will have to wait for 2021/22 to play in Vancouver.  The NHL season would have to start sometime in February for him to have a chance to make the RFA signing deadline - it's about a quarter into the season.  

I posted that before I read the signing in the KHL thread. I hope there is some kind of agreement in place by then otherwise KHL players will have to sit idle for the better part of a year to transition back to the NHL. That's asking a lot.

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18 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

I would imagine they adjust that date to account for players in other leagues no?

No.  It's a CBA clause.  Normally it's 1 December for a start in October - about 25% into the season.  There's never been any exception.  

 

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The guy just had his first child with the mother and family there to help while he is away. With COVID and the new culture with the child I see no way he was coming over for next year. A one year contract is great news as clearly he wants back over when the situation suits his family better. 

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1 hour ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:

I think the “let’s try again next year” sentiment is sincere. IIRC, we hold rights until July 1st, 2022, so next year will be the last window of real control that the Canucks have. If Tryamkin wanted to simply wait out Vancouver, he could’ve signed two years in the KHL.

Same. Already, local “scribes” are stating that the ship has sailed and are focusing on other UFAs. 

 

This season is an anomaly in a number of ways, and based on what those actually involved in the team say, it sounds as though next season would be the one to focus on. 

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2 hours ago, RWMc1 said:

Tryamkin would have had to wait until at least December to play again. Now he gets a full salary for a season in the KHL and can come to our team next year mid-season and get another partial salary. Makes perfect sense from his perspective.

 

The above is contingent upon the KHL starting as usual and the NHL moving start and end dates, as is widely speculated.

Yeah he gets a legit double dip,  if he switches back to the NHL next year mid season.  Who knows maybe Diamond added him an out clause in this Avto contract. If he plays his cards right he can collect 2 pay checks. And keep playing not sitting around till next year.

It ain't over till it's over.

Stayed tuned!

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3 hours ago, Fred65 said:

Ericksson and Beagle have nothing to do with either covid or the flat cap. That's a red herring :sadno: I'll say this I'd like to see some prospects brought in to give experience to but again, what's getting in the way ..... Ericksson and Beagle

First, I never even mentioned Beagle or Eriksson... speaking of red herrings. Second, Beagle is in no way a 'bad' contract. Third, neither are 'in the way' of any prospects. Fourth wtf are you going on about.. random firing Fred neuron ramblings?

 

3 hours ago, Pete M said:

You say'in they were tanking to get better picks?

Nope. I'm saying management had little appetite for making, what were very limited prospects to start with, sacrificial lambs in a ridiculously panicky and melodramatic market.

 

2 hours ago, ilduce39 said:

Yeah, I think if our cap situation was in better shape we give him a shot..

Maybe. Maybe not at the price Tryamkin was asking though. He hasn't played since February. The way things are going he likely wouldn't have played for us until December/January. I'm not sure that was a great option for him.

 

1 hour ago, mll said:

He can't though. Not if the NHL starts on time - scheduled tentatively for 1 December.  He will be past the RFA signing deadline and will have to wait for 2021/22 to play in Vancouver.  The NHL season would have to start sometime in February for him to have a chance to make the RFA signing deadline - it's about a quarter into the season.  

Maybe... But given that nobody knows anything right now and that dates and situations are changing daily, you can't make that claim as absolute, with any sort of certainly.

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5 hours ago, MoneypuckOverlord said:

KHL is willing to give out contracts, however our NHL season next year is uncertain at the moment, so there is no point adding any more players, and he be left in limbo so I understand Tryamkins point too.

And likewise ,  who knows how the KHL Season might progress or be halted..    they stopped playoff hockey and canceled the last season in April.

Apparently , Science is expecting another wave of the same this fall / Winter.

 

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The Caps the problem coming back to bite them, this from Tryamkins agent Todd Diamond

 

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"I've been in this business 25 years. I don't need anybody to tell me they have a cap issue. Everybody in Vancouver media and in the NHL knows it. They're probably feeling a bit of relief that we took one issue off the table." Diamond on Tryamkin staying in KHL

 

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17 hours ago, aGENT said:

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Maybe... But given that nobody knows anything right now and that dates and situations are changing daily, you can't make that claim as absolute, with any sort of certainly.


That's why I haven't.  It's a quarter into the season and you start counting from the start date on.  The CBA MOU says tentative date is 1 December - it's not even an absolute date.

 

The KHL looks to be starting on time though.  Training camp is already under way.

 

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21 hours ago, janisahockeynut said:

Oh, I understand that Covid forced the cap to stay flat...

But even with a cap raise we would have been tight and there would have been player movement

Time to move on, but I bet Benning was squirming a little before Rathbone signed.....

I think he looks real bad on this one

Absolutely overreacting.  
The cap situation isn’t half as bad as you think it is.   
Chances are we resign mostly everyone, as long as their asks are reasonable.  
We probably see a vet or two go. 
Big woop. 

Agents talk $&!#, and it is their job to support the player. That includes image to the public. 
Chances are they guy that didn’t want to be here before, probably still doesn’t.   
He is probably worth 1.5.  We could fit that.   He doesn’t want to come here so he asks for 3 knowing we can’t fit it.  
They get to say it’s Canucks fault he didn’t come to the NHL, and he drives up his KHL contract.  

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11 minutes ago, drummerboy said:

Absolutely overreacting.  
The cap situation isn’t half as bad as you think it is.   
Chances are we resign mostly everyone, as long as their asks are reasonable.  
We probably see a vet or two go. 
Big woop. 

Agents talk $&!#, and it is their job to support the player. That includes image to the public. 
Chances are they guy that didn’t want to be here before, probably still doesn’t.   
He is probably worth 1.5.  We could fit that.   He doesn’t want to come here so he asks for 3 knowing we can’t fit it.  
They get to say it’s Canucks fault he didn’t come to the NHL, and he drives up his KHL contract.  

 

Per Dhaliwal he turned down a deal earlier this year from his KHL team because he wanted to come to Vancouver.  Now he had to take a 15-20% pay-cut as that deal was no longer on the table.

 

He also says that Diamond talked to AGM Gear who told him the Canucks are not giving out 1-way deals at the moment.  He wonders if it's not a directive from ownership who doesn't want to end up paying an NHL salary in the AHL.

 

You can listen to Dhaliwal here: 

https://c1.futuripost.com/ckstam/playlist/dhaliwal-tryamkin-wanted-to-return-was-saying-all-the-right-things-but-the-canucks-couldnt-do-a-1-way-deal-25623.html

 

Btw the highest salary in the KHL this season is Shipachyov at circa 1.75M.  The 25th highest salary is half that amount (~ 875K).

 

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9 minutes ago, mll said:

 

Per Dhaliwal he turned down a deal earlier this year from his KHL team because he wanted to come to Vancouver.  Now he had to take a 15-20% pay-cut as that deal was no longer on the table.

 

He also says that Diamond talked to AGM Gear who told him the Canucks are not giving out 1-way deals at the moment.  He wonders if it's not a directive from ownership who doesn't want to end up paying an NHL salary in the AHL.

 

You can listen to Dhaliwal here: 

https://c1.futuripost.com/ckstam/playlist/dhaliwal-tryamkin-wanted-to-return-was-saying-all-the-right-things-but-the-canucks-couldnt-do-a-1-way-deal-25623.html

 

Btw the highest salary in the KHL this season is Shipachyov at circa 1.75M.  The 25th highest salary is half that amount (~ 875K).

 

Hmmm. 
I’ll wait to hear the other side of the story, not just the agent.  
BUT 

I could be wrong.  Lol.  
 

It’s not like the KHL would just pass him by.  There was no need for this contract urgency on his end.    
If the Canucks could sign him to something fair, pretty sure they would.   
Let Stetcher walk if needed.  

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22 minutes ago, drummerboy said:

Todd Diamond is a snake oil salesmen 

Brings a smile to my face. One person that does actually know some thing about the subject but counter to the cheerleaders get the insults and bad mouthing. Because he doesn't agree with your position there's no need to resort to this. Just imagine every time you hit a sticking point in negotiations you resort to this tactic, there's be no negotiations :)

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