Stierlitz Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 17 hours ago, SilentSam said: Injuries are certain to give Nik every opportunity to prove himself. He is already above Joulevi, Rathbone could potentially push someone out for good asset. Crazy to think, but I don’t think Tryamkin has had a serious injury in his career to date.. @Stierlitz or @Hairy Kneel might know better? I don't really recall any serious injury to Tryamkin. the longest one in the KHL was about 3 weeks long... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 Just now, Stierlitz said: I don't really recall any serious injury to Tryamkin. the longest one in the KHL was about 3 weeks long... Thank you, and I think that might have been related to a mono outbreak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamhuis Hip Check Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 12 minutes ago, Sbriggs said: Too much for a 5-6 Dman Maybe slightly but if we could add another year it would be a really good deal. Come playoffs he will be critical to our success, how often have we lost a series because we got bullied and pushed around? Tryamkin wont fix it himself but he will make everyones job so much easier. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Honky Cat said: I like Tryamkin too. What we do know, is that the KHL is an inferior league. Marcus Granlund and Linden Vey are stars in that league.This has to be taken into account. When Tryamkin left the team, the D was fairly weak, thats not the case now. He does not play on special teams, and that alone would not make him a top 4 D man. Who says he doesn't play on special teams? He has been playing 20 minutes a night in the KHL, including as a primary penalty killer. Edited April 24, 2021 by Provost 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKNuck96 Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Provost said: Who says he doesn't play on special teams? He has been playing almost 20 minutes a night in the KHL, including as a primary penalty killer. People who pull words from their arse to support an assumption they have without knowing any of the facts and likely only saw him last play when he was a Canuck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajax- Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 3 hours ago, SilentSam said: I’ve watched about 10-12 games he has played per year over the past 4 years. I do watch more hi light reels and follow other accounts that follow his play and others. Its just my opinion on this topic. .. and your opinion is on this topic and thread .. Or me? are you confused Feltch? my apologies if that seemed too abrasive.. but you seem pretty good at it. Do you ever look in a mirror and ask yourself an important question? IMHO, Tryamkin quit our Team, he left. Trade his rights to an east coast USA team If your OPINION is that you think he is better than a lot of our DMen right now, then that is your OPINION and I totally understand it. When people state, matter of fact, so and so is better than so and so, it's not fact, just an opinion. we all got them, just like our Arses Go Canucks Go Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajax- Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 16 hours ago, janisahockeynut said: I get your statement.........but I am just curious. Where is your head at, when you make that statement? Are you a scout? my Head was firmly planted on my neck when i made that statement. Thanks for you concern Posters stating things as FACT when actually it's just ones opinion, is something I call out, Like Trumpism, just cause you say its so, doesn't make it fact. Go Canucks Go 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honky Cat Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 20 minutes ago, Provost said: Who says he doesn't play on special teams? He has been playing 20 minutes a night in the KHL, including as a primary penalty killer. Thats the KHL though.That does not translate into he would be effective in the NHL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, Honky Cat said: Thats the KHL though.That does not translate into he would be effective in the NHL. That isn't what you said... you are making a statement that he doesn't play special teams, when he has been doing exactly that for three years. He can only play in the league he is in.... and he has been doing that really well. We don't have information on how he would be used or how effective he would be in a return to the NHL, so saying that he isn't a top 4D because he doesn't play special teams is just making stuff up. If he did come back to the NHL, I can't imagine that a coach wouldn't be trying him on the PK as he is really experienced at it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 8 minutes ago, AbrasiveAjax said: IMHO, Tryamkin quit our Team, he left. Trade his rights to an east coast USA team If your OPINION is that you think he is better than a lot of our DMen right now, then that is your OPINION and I totally understand it. When people state, matter of fact, so and so is better than so and so, it's not fact, just an opinion. we all got them, just like our Arses Go Canucks Go Cheers I’ve re read my posts, and no where have I stated “matter of fact”. I’ve openly stated I am keen on him, and I have great expectations of him. Ive stated all along in most of my posts over the years that I usually hold to my opinions. Sometimes that changes, and I usually admit to it in the same new opinion I offer for discussion. But, “as a matter of fact”, He didn’t QUIT our team, on 2 occasions he was without a contract, and was free to do what he wants. .. but you might know better about “quitting”, maybe it’s something your good at, or have more experience with? Or this might be simply the right time to do it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stierlitz Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 50 minutes ago, SilentSam said: Thank you, and I think that might have been related to a mono outbreak. Uff this was long time ago haha. In Nov 2018 Tryamkin missed two KHL games, then he missed the Russian national team participation in EuroTour in Finland (Tryamkin was called up to the national team) and couple KHL games after EuroTour... Don't remember type of his injury but this was probably his longest injury period... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Honky Cat said: Thats the KHL though.That does not translate into he would be effective in the NHL. It doesn’t mean that it makes him less effective either. Edit. Edited April 24, 2021 by SilentSam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said: I think its more that you need to be very cautious when using KHL success to project It on to the NHL. So I'd prefer to forget about projections up the lineup and just try to look at what we can say is there objectively. So to me, my expectation is a guy that can step into the #6 right side role, 5 on 5 and PK duty, 17-18 mins per night, with some unique physical gifts. More than that, and we're laughing. Jimmy, I add more weight to what we saw of Tryamkin in 69 games, on a Canuck TEAM weak on Dfence, Offence, and Coaching. For anyone to say they did not see any “shine” in this rookie on that squad was not watching him play. He is 4 years older at 26 ( young) in my books for any Big D men that survive any real time in the NHL. He has had no major injuries, and continued to develop, his above average mobility and skating is undeminished. The monster D men that have great longetivity I the NHL usually grow into their bodies at 26-27-28.. As far as monster D menster d men go,you can’t help but mention Robinson Pronger Chara Webber .. Burns is of that same template, Tryamkin is of this same template, and this organization should not give up on that. We need to see at least 2 years of him or more in his 1st contract back. Is he still a bit of a project as a prospect? Far less than Virtannen, and far less than Joulevi have been,. As well as any of the other favourites WD protected over his 3 years of Coaching. One YOUNGER D man that the hawks might be giving up on is Zadorov.. feels the same as Ottawa or the Islanders giving up on Chara. Green is the right Coach for NIK, but I’d personally like to see a shift on D coaching to bring some symmetry in method of play for the D core from game to game. Edited April 24, 2021 by SilentSam 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honky Cat Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, SilentSam said: It doesn’t mean that it doesn’t either. Would Marcus Granlund, Hunter Shinkaruk and Linden Vey be scoring stars in the NHL right now ? Edited April 24, 2021 by Honky Cat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, Honky Cat said: Would Marcus Granlund, Hunter Shinkaruk and Linden Vey be scoring stars in the NHL right now ? No . They peaked, Granlund actually was used well and played well with us. Shinkaruk couldn’t translate his game to the NHL . Vey was given many opportunities and couldn’t,. As were many more of WD’s favs from Junior. I assume your not looking for a scoring star out of Tryamkin lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honky Cat Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 30 minutes ago, Provost said: That isn't what you said... you are making a statement that he doesn't play special teams, when he has been doing exactly that for three years. He can only play in the league he is in.... and he has been doing that really well. We don't have information on how he would be used or how effective he would be in a return to the NHL, so saying that he isn't a top 4D because he doesn't play special teams is just making stuff up. If he did come back to the NHL, I can't imagine that a coach wouldn't be trying him on the PK as he is really experienced at it. My point is that just because he is an effective PK'er at the KHL level, does not mean that it will translate to the NHL level. He is big, but he's not particularly quick, and I'd say the NHL is a lot faster, also, factor in the rink size. To be a top 4 D, you would have to play on one of the special teams, he will have limited minutes otherwise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honky Cat Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, SilentSam said: No . They peaked, Granlund actually was used well and played well with us. Shinkaruk couldn’t translate his game to the NHL . Vey was given many opportunities and couldn’t,. As were many more of WD’s favs from Junior. I assume your not looking for a scoring star out of Tryamkin lol. I'm just demonstrating that its an inferior league, and you're coming up with inferior presumptions. No offence. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 Just now, Honky Cat said: My point is that just because he is an effective PK'er at the KHL level, does not mean that it will translate to the NHL level. He is big, but he's not particularly quick, and I'd say the NHL is a lot faster, also, factor in the rink size. To be a top 4 D, you would have to play on one of the special teams, he will have limited minutes otherwise. The KHL rinks got smaller a few years ago and moved away from the International size ones. He has been playing on a Finnish sized rink which probably contributed to a player of his size having more impact. He always had fine mobility, and doesn't have to be as quick when the ice is smaller, especially with his reach. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKNuck96 Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 4 minutes ago, Honky Cat said: I'm just demonstrating that its an inferior league, and you're coming up with inferior presumptions. No offence. Do you treat the ahl in the same way, do players who PK in Utica not get some thought at their effectiveness as a pker in the nhl. Does a face off specialist not get a look in or more credence being pencilled in as a defensive draw specialist. egst you are saying is - if they don’t play in the nhl we cannot make any inference at all. How do you think scouts identify players, with a magic 8 ball? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Blankenship Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Provost said: Who says he doesn't play on special teams? He has been playing 20 minutes a night in the KHL, including as a primary penalty killer. If, and hopefully when, Tree comes over, I imagine he would be playing pk. It would be a complete waste to not use him there. Don’t know why someone would think he wouldn’t. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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