higgyfan Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 Pretty sure the Canucks know exactly what they have in Tryamkin. They would have had scouting eyes on him (and his development) over the last few years, so one would think they know his potential. He turns 27yrs in August, so what you see will likely be what you get. The big question is how much $ and term he'll want and who's spot will he take.? Edler? Schmidt Hughes Hamonic? Juolevi Myers Edler is the better player at the moment, but he is starting to show his age. Neither Edler or Tryamkin should be 1st pairing, but it's what it is. Letting Schmidt go would be a bad move. He is the teams best Dman and is versitile with R & L sides. He can play big minutes and is very effective on the 1st pair. Besides Hughes, he has the most value and could be traded later on if needed. Hamonic has developed good chemistry with Hughes and has steadily improved since returning from his injury. I don't see Tryamkin playing alongside Hughes, but who knows? If they come in at similar $, I want Hamonic. Myers is a similar player to Tryamkin and has proven to be a solid dman for the team. Minute muncher and physical dman and is all heart in important games. He plays well with Juolevi, who just turns 23yrs in May, so I think they hang on to him. I think Edler could be the odd man out if the management thing Tryamkin is good enough. I sure wouldn't want to make the decision here. They might even want similar contracts too. I don't think they can take on both. Schmidt Meyers Hughes Hamonic Juolevi Tryamkin Still, I prefer Edler playing alongside Schmidt. It's a very tough decision. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 1 hour ago, janisahockeynut said: But, But, but Jimmy.......what you described is not a #6 Dman........its a 4/5 I sure hope we are laughing, Jimmy, I sure hope so! well, darn it, I guess we need some ground rules here on what a 4/5/6 is 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 (edited) lol at the comments here. He was not really good as Silent Sam indicates during his time here. He was barely adequate on a an absolutely horrible team. He came into camp out of shape and only played decent minutes because of injuries, and then he ran away with his tail between his legs after being gifted an opportunity. His time in the KHL shows he is not that good as a point producer, nor is he quick enough to be a top defender at the NHL level. He is a cheap man's Jamie Olesiak, at best, maybe an even poorer Hal Gill. Certainly nothing to get excited about, unless of course you're looking for draft picks. Isn't everthing. Edited April 25, 2021 by Gawdzukes 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 16 hours ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said: I see absolutely no reason why he couldn’t step into that kind of role (3rd pair, PK2), just based off what he showed his last season here. If he has truly upped his conditioning, matured mentally, and improved his overall play during his KHL time, he could offer a lot more. Especially if he becomes a good partner to one of our higher upside, young Dmen (like a Hughes, OJ, Rathbone, etc). With the right pairing, I could easily see Tryamkin eventually moving into a role where he’s getting top-4 usage at 5v5, plus significant PK time, and playing around 20 (or possibly more) minutes per game. But even if he only ends up getting 15-16 minutes 5v5TOI/GP, and maybe another 2 minutes or so on PK, that’s still a useful player. Well worth the rumoured asking price, salary wise, and still adding some extra “intangible” value, just by being huge, and willing to mix it up, when the situation demands (or just whenever he feels like ragdolling an entire opposition lineup ). I am quite excited about Tryamkin coming back. That said I see him as a bottom pairing until he proves otherwise. In that light I see a contract of 2 years at $1.5 to 2.5 mil. You mentioned his TOI in his first Canuck season being 4th on the d-core. My memory was the number of injuries in that season. By year end Try was getting PP and PK time. I thought the more he played the better he was getting. Was shocked when he left. I will be happy if he is a bottom pairing but hold out hopes of higher. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted April 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 25, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Boudrias said: I am quite excited about Tryamkin coming back. That said I see him as a bottom pairing until he proves otherwise. In that light I see a contract of 2 years at $1.5 to 2.5 mil. You mentioned his TOI in his first Canuck season being 4th on the d-core. My memory was the number of injuries in that season. By year end Try was getting PP and PK time. I thought the more he played the better he was getting. Was shocked when he left. I will be happy if he is a bottom pairing but hold out hopes of higher. I think even the most pie in the sky Tryamkin supporters (well, most of them ) understand that, if he’s re-signed, his entry point to the lineup is on the third pairing. He’s not displacing Schmidt or Myers (if still here). And JB isn’t going to enter a season with a roster that requires using Tryamkin in the top-4. It remains to be seen whether or not Tryamkin will be an improved NHL player. When he left, he was a capable bottom pairing D. He had some conditioning issues that limited his effectiveness, and he also needed some experience and seasoning, and just to grow his overall game. Hopefully most of these things have been improved or addressed, and we’ll be getting a superior Tryamkin (if signed) to the one we last saw in Vancouver. If that’s the case, I would expect him to grow into a ~20 minutes per game Dman, over the first year or two he’s back. I’m not counting on that happening. But, at the same time, I think even a Tryamkin with completely stagnant development over four years, is still at least a bottom pair/depth Dman in the NHL, so top-4ish upside still seems a reasonable assumption. The question is how much he’s improved, and how well those improvements can transition to the NHL. Some of the most optimistic supporters feel that he’s vastly improved, and could be good enough to quickly establish himself as a top-4, and potentially a first pairing D. I’m a little more conservative in my prognostication. I think he’s shown the capability to be a bottom pairing guy, so if there’s a spot for him, he should be able to slide into a 5/6 role with no issues. And I’ve always seen his upside as top-4, so with the right conditions, and assuming he transitions well, I think he might become a good partner to one of our top Ds, and take on a top-4 5v5 role, and also play significant minutes on the PK (where I’ve always though he showed the most utility). That level of player is a top-4, 20+ minutes Dman, which is what I hope he becomes. But what I expect, at least initially, is a bottom-pair, 15-18 minutes Dman, with some room to grow into a larger role, if the conditions are favourable. Edited April 25, 2021 by SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME 1 1 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 (edited) If Tryamkin wants to show that he is more mature as far as I'm concerned he can sign a team friendly 1 year audition. The Canucks have their cap space ship coming in next year. If he proves his maturity he can earn himself a big boi contract. If he isn't willing to bet on himself why should anyone else. Honestly I'd be wary of having his influence anywhere near Podkolzin. Edited April 25, 2021 by hammertime 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 Realizing how much Nik wants to be back with the Canucks , I wouldn’t be surprised if he signs short term as in 1 year for under what he was offered here before he left (2m x 2). But if it isn’t here, you know he will be the one that haunts us playing for someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeneedLumme Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 22 hours ago, Honky Cat said: I like Tryamkin too. What we do know, is that the KHL is an inferior league. Marcus Granlund and Linden Vey are stars in that league.This has to be taken into account. When Tryamkin left the team, the D was fairly weak, thats not the case now. He does not play on special teams, and that alone would not make him a top 4 D man. If that is your reason for feeling he has little value in the NHL, then you will be happy to know that you are incorrect. As a matter of FACT, in his 79 NHL games, Tram averaged 1:26 PER GAME of PK time. Personally, when I find that my opinion conflicts with the facts, I change my opinion. Others prefer to change the facts to coincide with their opinions, and fabricate things like, "He does not play on special teams". 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Gawdzukes said: lol at the comments here. He was not really good as Silent Sam indicates during his time here. He was barely adequate on a an absolutely horrible team. He came into camp out of shape and only played decent minutes because of injuries, and then he ran away with his tail between his legs after being gifted an opportunity. His time in the KHL shows he is not that good as a point producer, nor is he quick enough to be a top defender at the NHL level. He is a cheap man's Jamie Olesiak, at best, maybe an even poorer Hal Gill. Certainly nothing to get excited about, unless of course you're looking for draft picks. Isn't everthing. Gawdz ! Nice to see you back with some more great information.. I have to totally agree with you that size isn’t everything, and that’s probably why Tryamkin is getting another opportunity to play in the NHL You know , when I have to deal with my “Napoleon Syndrome” , I usually grab my Ritz Crackers and watch the video below. it’s a long one , with some present and past greats in it. Have to admit, when the big boys turn it on, Size doesn’t matter to them either. . . But I sure would not stand in the way of them being the little man I am. Its very intimidating actually, Myers, and Tryamkin make the cut in this one,. As does Zadorov, all early in there careers. So here ya go, when the world seems too big and crazy , I find this refreshing. ps.. couldn’t find one on little guys, time to start a revolution.. perhaps a parade starting it off. Don’t forget you’re Ritz Crackers Edited April 25, 2021 by SilentSam 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Boudrias Posted April 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 25, 2021 40 minutes ago, SilentSam said: Gawdz ! Nice to see you back with some more great information.. I have to totally agree with you that size isn’t everything, and that’s probably why Tryamkin is getting another opportunity to play in the NHL You know , when I have to deal with my “Napoleon Syndrome” , I usually grab my Ritz Crackers and watch the video below. it’s a long one , with some present and past greats in it. Have to admit, when the big boys turn it on, Size doesn’t matter to them either. . . But I sure would not stand in the way of them being the little man I am. Its very intimidating actually, Myers, and Tryamkin make the cut in this one,. As does Zadorov, all early in there careers. So here ya go, when the world seems too big and crazy , I find this refreshing. ps.. couldn’t find one on little guys, time to start a revolution.. perhaps a parade starting it off. Don’t forget you’re Ritz Crackers Let's remember that Tryamkin has been playing for Bill Peters this past season. NHL coaching before he returns to the Canucks. i like it. 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honky Cat Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, WeneedLumme said: If that is your reason for feeling he has little value in the NHL, then you will be happy to know that you are incorrect. As a matter of FACT, in his 79 NHL games, Tram averaged 1:26 PER GAME of PK time. Personally, when I find that my opinion conflicts with the facts, I change my opinion. Others prefer to change the facts to coincide with their opinions, and fabricate things like, "He does not play on special teams". He did play on the PK, probably the last shift of the PK He was not a 'go to' guy on the PK He was 5th, behind Sbisa, Gudbranson, and well behind Edler and Tanev. I'm not saying he has little value, I am saying that he's a 3rd pairing D man, and not in the 'top 4' conversation. Edited April 25, 2021 by Honky Cat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 (edited) Wrong thread Edited April 25, 2021 by SilentSam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post J.I.A.H.N Posted April 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 25, 2021 Just a little info I dug up on Tryamkin's last 4 years in the KHL 20-21 Playoffs +4 21:00 TOI 5 games 2 PTs 20-21 Regular -3 20:50 TOI 60 games 15 PTs 19-20 Playoffs +1 22:40 TOI 5 games 2 PTs 19-20 Regular +10 19:50 TOI 58 games 12 PTs 18-19 Playoffs -1 21:30 TOI 9 games 2 PTs 18-19 Regular +12 20:30 TOI 41 games 11 PTs 17-18 Playoffs 0 21:50 TOI 6 games 0 PTs 17-18 Regular +12 21:10 TOI 51 games 25 PTs So, what I can see about these stats is first of all................ #1. Tryamkin plays alot of minutes.............looks to be 1st pairing minutes in all KHL season's since his return #2. Tryamkin's minutes go up in every year in the playoffs, even in his last year, where the coach knew he was leaving at the end of the season #3. Tryamkin is a plus player in the playoffs, so IMO, he ups his game #4 Tryamkin had a weak team in the playoffs #5 Tryamkin's coach plays Nikita more in the Playoffs as the competition improves It appears to me, that Tryamkin does pretty well in his +/- considering his team is a very average team, and even in the playoffs, he handles his increased ice time well, and tends to improve his stats with that responsibility. Note* I will now make an assumption based on Nikita's point production in the regular season and the playoffs, but with that little of points, Nikita is being used to shut down the opponents #1 line, and in doing so, has still remained a positive player, in terms of +/- To underline what the numbers say..........Nikita Tryamkin plays tough minutes against first line KHL players and comes out as a plus player in those instances. I think this should dispel any mis-understanding about Tryamkin's last 4 years in the KHL. 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kootenay Gold Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said: To underline what the numbers say..........Nikita Tryamkin plays tough minutes against first line KHL players and comes out as a plus player in those instances. I think this should dispel any mis-understanding about Tryamkin's last 4 years in the KHL. Thanks for digging up his stats in the KHL Jan. I do hope the Canucks find room for him on the roster as he does bring many attributes other D men just do not have. I personally do not put much stock in whether he is considered as 4/5/6 on the D corps. His value to the team would be his ability to neutralize some of the bigger power scoring forwards when they try and drive to the net and not in the number of points he can put up. We have other D men that fill that need. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Kootenay Gold said: Thanks for digging up his stats in the KHL Jan. I do hope the Canucks find room for him on the roster as he does bring many attributes other D men just do not have. I personally do not put much stock in whether he is considered as 4/5/6 on the D corps. His value to the team would be his ability to neutralize some of the bigger power scoring forwards when they try and drive to the net and not in the number of points he can put up. We have other D men that fill that need. Totally agree with you on this KG Further more.............whether he is a 2/3/4/5/6 or 7......................we have to get him here first, and then it will be determined............. But all this BS about he is not good enough in the KHL, so why should he even be offered a contract, is just that BS.......................... These so call experts, about his play in the KHL, do not even have a clue, they would just rather spew negitive BS, than take the time to research it......... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbriggs Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 On 4/24/2021 at 12:58 PM, Hamhuis Hip Check said: Maybe slightly but if we could add another year it would be a really good deal. Come playoffs he will be critical to our success, how often have we lost a series because we got bullied and pushed around? Tryamkin wont fix it himself but he will make everyones job so much easier. We need a show me deal so adding years may not be smart. Right now w don't know really how good he is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 Teams have been taking liberties with the Tanevs/Stechers and Huggy for too long, with push back from Myers, Hamonic, and Tryamkin (Schmidt ain't no slouch either) we'll see less of teams playing Harlem Globetrotters in our O zone because they'll be knocked on their asses. And Huggy carrying the puck the other way. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 my wish list. A dynamic pool of young big, skilled physical mobile men that could interchange with any other D man, each having each other’s back, and playing with a Wolfpack mentality. Myers Schmidt Hamonic Hughes Tryamkin Joulevi Zadorov Rathbone that’s what I would like to see next season. 5 guys who know the NHL game and 3 guys getting there legs . Mix and match em boys. They will grow tighter as a group in the process. perhaps a trade Virtannen for Zadorov, both need a change of scenery. Jake has one more season at 2.5 Zadorov is RFA and might whince , but sign for less than the 3.2 he played for.. and an opportunity to get out of that mess in the USA (Chicago). Kids in culture shock. and if money for D is an issue, then start signing players for less on offence.. Perhaps that’s what JB is doing by stacking with the latest grabs . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Googlie Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 Rathbone plays left D I'd like to see a 4/4 mix, with experienced D paired with rookie/sophomore D Left: Hughes, Rathbone, Juolevi and Tryamkin Right: Hamonic, Schmidt, Myers and Rafferty Don't know where that would leave Edler, if renewed, and Chatfield, etc, but it's a good problem to have. I'm guessing Rafferty gets let go *Hello Kraken?" and perhaps Rathbone flips between the NHL / AHL as he will still be waiver-exempt next season 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Googlie said: Rathbone plays left D I'd like to see a 4/4 mix, with experienced D paired with rookie/sophomore D Left: Hughes, Rathbone, Juolevi and Tryamkin Right: Hamonic, Schmidt, Myers and Rafferty Don't know where that would leave Edler, if renewed, and Chatfield, etc, but it's a good problem to have. I'm guessing Rafferty gets let go *Hello Kraken?" and perhaps Rathbone flips between the NHL / AHL as he will still be waiver-exempt next season I like the idea of not talking Edler anymore,. And I’m sick and tired of people wanting to hang on to drying up Canucks as Ceremonial Figure Heads just in case we win a cup with them and it feels like a Cinderella Moment. Lets get on with establishing this new D core, we are 2 pieces away from that. Tryamkin is one of those,.. and if we get lucky in the Draft Lottery,. Owen Powers, and the next 2 D men available will be better than Joulevi, and they will stack up nicely in the next wave from the farm. Zadorov signed, for Jake and Joulevi would bag it like a Chik Fil a sandwich. Boom. Edited April 26, 2021 by SilentSam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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