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Honestly, Benning supporters should just take the L on this one and move on. 

 

We have now seen Markstron, Toffoli, Tanev, and Stecher leave, Gaudette traded, Tryamkin allowed to walk, and the common denominator in it all is the cap mismanagement of Benning, overpaying a bunch of players and giving them ntc that, in the current environment, dont need to be full ntc to make the player unmovable.

 

Our roster is terrible overall, we are at the cap max, there is many millions of dead money, and that is with our two best players still on ELC contracts. 

 

Cant wait to see the contracts handed out to Edler and Sutter.

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4 hours ago, Nucksownyou said:

What's funny is reading all the pathetic Benning haters overrate Tryamkin like he is some star. Tryamkin doesn't deserve more than $2 million at best. Hell, he doesn't even deserve that. We have the cap to sign him for less than $2 million.

Wow, how can you stick up for Benning when he has a 4 goal scoring, can’t take no for an answer forward making more than what you figure Tryamkin is worth? I love how Benning lovers are all, NBD.... but if he was signed for +2M you’d all be jumping around playing air guitar. 

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35 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:

That seems pretty specific for Diamond to be lying about. Also, it flies in the face of the cap reality of this team. 

So we were ok paying him $1-$1.5m but we'd have to 'clear cap' to pay him $1.5-$2m...?

 

Come on :rolleyes:

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40 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:

Nothing in what I said is hyperbole.

 

OEL and his horrible contract at the expense of negotiating with his own ufa players says hi. 

That you can't evidently see (or admit to) it, only shows how deep your bias is.

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Maybe we should open the Koltzov and Chubarov threads. The Canucks need players right? Tryamkin gets to play at home, and not disrupt his young family to play in a foreign land for the same money. Let's move on, I have.

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1 minute ago, wallstreetamigo said:

Just going by what Diamond and Benning said. 

Does that add up to you?

 

$1-$1.5m is a-ok but we'd have to 'clear cap' to pay him $1.5-$2m...?

 

Seriously?

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Just now, aGENT said:

That you can't evidently see (or admit to) it, only shows how deep your bias is.

Its not bias at all. Its fact. Benning wanted to get OEL and was trying to fit his terrible contract in so badly that he forgot to negotiate with his own ufa players. Thats been widely reported. 

 

Of course it interferes with the pom pom waving, I get it.

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2 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Does that add up to you?

 

$1-$1.5m is a-ok but we'd have to 'clear cap' to pay him $1.5-$2m...?

 

Seriously?

I havent seen any number reported other than a mention that the Canucks countered with jusf over 1 mil. I have seen nothing stating what Tryamkin asked for and Benning said he was comfirtable paying if he could clear cap.

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4 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Does that add up to you?

 

$1-$1.5m is a-ok but we'd have to 'clear cap' to pay him $1.5-$2m...?

 

Seriously?

Its pretty fair to say based on what has been reported and said by both sides that for some reason the cap was not currenrly available. Hard to say exactly why that is until more shoes drop.

 

Could be EP and QH negotiarions are going worse than many expect. Could be he has already decided to extend Sutter and Edler to use up those available dollars. Could be that he has his eye on some more UFA players or trade targets that would require the cap space.

 

It sounds to me like the Canucks wanted to lowball him and are just making excuses now. Maybe he was asking for 4 years at 3 mil per but there is nothing to suggest it at this point. 1 or 2 years and an amount Benning at least publicly said he could agree to.

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8 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Does that add up to you?

 

$1-$1.5m is a-ok but we'd have to 'clear cap' to pay him $1.5-$2m...?

 

Seriously?

Any player could be fit in for just above 1 mil. Its barely above league minimum. Adding on even that small amount would in fact be a lot tougher based on the serious lack of cap wiggle room Benning has painted himself into.

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1 hour ago, Hockey God said:

There is no blame here on Tryamkin at all.  He did nothing wrong at all in his past time with the Canucks, and again, he is not to blame here either.  The man had a choice:  certainty (hometown team, good money), or the unknown (Benning, Canucks budget).  Based on track records ... can you blame him for taking the certainty?  He has a family to look after, and that is what he is doing.  I wish him all the best.

Some forget this is just a sport,

to some it is employment , to those playing a sport, wanting longetivity out of it and at best, a scenario that works for them.
Some here forget he is from a foreign country,

with an authoritarian regime.

Some here forget there is a Pandemic upsetting the balance of the world,

.. and sadly but true, some people forget they have themselves and there family to think about first.  
... and exactly what you’ve stated ,   Certainty vs uncertainty..    

In an upside down world, I would pause on certainty.

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1 hour ago, aGENT said:

See the edit.

 

ED, expiring Hughes, Pettersson, Edler, Hamonic etc.

maybe I just need a drink, the Jake thing was a real downer, was hoping for some good news to cling to 

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1 hour ago, aGENT said:

Does that add up to you?

 

$1-$1.5m is a-ok but we'd have to 'clear cap' to pay him $1.5-$2m...?

 

Seriously?

Don’t tell me that we missed out a guy like Tryamkin for 2M ?

i just don’t want to believe it. If its true, and if Benning finds some cap relief to re sign Edler....i hope we fire him really soon to save the team from a complete steps back. 

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12 minutes ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:

I believe Tryamkin’s side when they say that the offer from the Canucks wasn’t high enough to make it financially worthwhile for him to come to Vancouver.

 

The question remains, what was the offer? And what was the asking price (that would have made it worthwhile for Tryamkin to sign).

 

The highest paid KHL defencemen last season had salaries of ~$1M USD.

 

Russian tax is 13%.

 

So, a take home of ~$870K USD for the very highest paid KHL Dmen.

 

We don’t know what Tryamkin got on his new KHL deal, but it likely wasn’t over $1M (unless he’s going to be the KHL’s highest paid defenceman next season, which seems unlikely).

 

If we assume the highest tax rate in Canada at roughly 50%, then an Canucks salary of $1.75M is roughly equivalent to a KHL $1M salary.

 

Of course, Tryamkin likely wouldn’t pay thH

 

And the Canucks weren’t willing to pay him that.

 

So, the rumoured Canucks offer of just over $1M is probably accurate.

 

You could say that the Canucks lowballed him.

 

Or, they felt it was fair value (I can actually get behind that argument, to a degree, as Tryamkin doesn’t really deserve an offer based on any NHL comparables, given how long he’s been away, so a low ticket, one year deal is somewhat defensible).

 

However, given Tryamkin’s situation, you’d think that if the Canucks really wanted to get him signed, they’d be able to step up a few 100k and offer him something that actually paid him better (as far as take home) than his KHL salary.

 

(I suppose you could also say that, if Tryamkin really wanted to be an NHLer, he’d just take the financial hit for one season, and then bet on himself being about to earn more the next year, and the rest of his career.)

 

What I don’t see here is any reason to think Tryamkin was being greedy and asking for more than what made sense for him, based on what he could get in Russia. Or that he was just using the Canucks for negotiation purposes, and never intended to sign here. Everything he and his agent have done the past year has suggested they wanted to be back in the NHL (with Vancouver) for the 2021-22 season.
 

Seems like the Canucks just had a “walk away” number, and so did Tryamkin, and that number was probably somewhere in the $1.5-2M range (as reports have suggested). Canucks wouldn’t come up to that number, and Tryamkin wouldn’t accept anything less (as that would require him taking a financial loss, compared to what he probably gets by staying in the KHL).

1) I believe dahliwal already said Tryamkin salary is 1 mill tax free.

2) Theres also the 50% salary escrow which next year and this year there will be no kickback.

 

Canadian taxes is 42% which is 420,000 so that is 1.4 mill canadain. Since there is a 50% escrow it would mean for tryamkin to make the exact same amount in the nhl as khl is 2.8 mil caphit for 2 years.

 

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1 hour ago, Convincing John said:

Wow, how can you stick up for Benning when he has a 4 goal scoring, can’t take no for an answer forward making more than what you figure Tryamkin is worth? I love how Benning lovers are all, NBD.... but if he was signed for +2M you’d all be jumping around playing air guitar. 

I love how you Benning haters label me a Benning supporter because I don't automatically trash Benning for every single thing he does. Stop overrating Tryamking.

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