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29 minutes ago, Kootenay Gold said:

I like your proposed changes Sam but the players association would never go for that.

 

 

 

It just seems a bit one sided Koots,

That a player (worker) looks at other players contracts and performance to base their salary from..

But the organization is handcuffed to pay out for diminished or unsatisfactory work.

 

For the NHLPA,.  this does not help if they are looking for the Capital Spending to rise and be more fluid between all players.


We’ve just seen Tryamkin leave because after taxes , it seems he can make the same money  in Russia. ( another point) .

 

Perhaps contracts aren’t “performance based”, but a true line in the contract could be written for “ pay regarding lack of performance “.

 

Then the argument arises, about being held back or being placed on a Bottom line..

To that: there are too many statistics carried in this game that would reveal a lack of opportunity to perform to a contracts potential..  and or the opportunities created to perform to that potential.

 

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12 minutes ago, The.Burrowers said:

ownership refused to get rid of bad contracts when they needed to.  Luongo could have been bought out (like Vinny Lecavalier was by Tampa) and we wouldn't be suffering through this recapture penalty right now.  We refused to cut our losses.  Loui could have been moved last summer, his contract was favorable to a cash strapped team like the Coyotes.  The fact that JB was unwilling to add anything (as confirmed by LE's agent) is a testament to the attitude that is trickling down from ownership and/or management on their refusal to eat a sunk cost.  If you look at all the wheeling and dealing the Leafs, Lightning, Rangers, Blackhawks (to name a few) have done the last 10 years to navigate bad contracts / situations, as compared to the Canucks, the difference is night and day.  

Burrows,  I think those teams you mentioned are in for a world of grief themselves..

(The Leafs  - Tavares 11m per.) There is a ditch with Tavares name on it being dug beside Eriksson Rd. ;) 

 

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1 minute ago, NUCKER67 said:

Another one bites the dust, and another one's gone and another one's gone, another one bites the dust

 

Good job Jim :picard:

I too , can not stop shaking my head...

If Tryamkin was a part of his vision, it should have happened.

But what do I know .

 

 

Terry Rozier Thursday GIF

 

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5 hours ago, SilentSam said:

It just seems a bit one sided Koots,

That a player (worker) looks at other players contracts and performance to base their salary from..

But the organization is handcuffed to pay out for diminished or unsatisfactory work.

 

For the NHLPA,.  this does not help if they are looking for the Capital Spending to rise and be more fluid between all players.


We’ve just seen Tryamkin leave because after taxes , it seems he can make the same money  in Russia. ( another point) .

 

Perhaps contracts aren’t “performance based”, but a true line in the contract could be written for “ pay regarding lack of performance “.

 

Then the argument arises, about being held back or being placed on a Bottom line..

To that: there are too many statistics carried in this game that would reveal a lack of opportunity to perform to a contracts potential..  and or the opportunities created to perform to that potential.

 

I actually think the answer is how the contract is written..........there should be no special clauses in the last 1/3 of the contract, and all bonuses should be paid earlier...

 

so a 24 million dollar contract should for 6 years, should look like this

 

year 1..............3 million signing bonus 3 million regular  NMC

year 2..............3 million bonus 2 million regular NMC

year 3..............3 million bonus 2 million regular NMC

year 4..............2 million bonus 1 million regular NTC

year 5..............3 million regular

year 6..............2 million regular

 

That way, after the signing bonus is paid out in year 4........there is 6 million owing for 3 years

My understanding the buy out would be 2/3 of regular salary owed, paid over X2 as long or approx.

(4 million over 6 years = $666,666 per year for 6 years)

Not nice but much more manageable

The player might also take early retirement then as well

 

Not sure if we could do it that way, but certainly there should be a way to structure a contract better than JB has done them.............

 

 

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11 hours ago, SilentSam said:

I too , can not stop shaking my head...

If Tryamkin was a part of his vision, it should have happened.

But what do I know .

 

 

Terry Rozier Thursday GIF

 

Agreed. I wouldn't be surprised if this ends up being the straw that breaks the camel's back. Some say Willy's poor handling of Tryamkin is what finally got him canned. Maybe Jimbo will end the same way.

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On 5/4/2021 at 3:50 AM, janisahockeynut said:

I should not have come back to this thread............*&^^%$ me!

 

So this stinks of JB trying to manipulate the truth..............and if Diamond is telling the truth, they yeah, I totally agree with you Jimmy

 

IMO, I an starting to believe JB is lacking credibility in what he says.............and that is playing out time and time again!

 

My problem, is......how do we believe what he says? Does he think Diamond will not protect his own credibility?

 

So, no JIm did not offer him the contract that Tryamkin had asked for..............

 

And, again &^%&**&$$E Me!, Benning had all season to figure this out.....................

 

Benning is a liar, and is just trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes

 

So, doesn't the Tanev and Taffoli stories, sort of underline exactly how Benning is operating...............

 

Unless Benning is covering for Aqualini..................does Aqualini really want his customers thinking that his GM is a liar?

 

Or at best, trying to deceive his customers?

Agree on a lot here... Why not just hand out a 3 mill contract. Myers got 6 mill and Gudbranson 4 mill. 

Tryamkin wanted to come here also but if Benning trying to lowball him Tryamkin just turn his head the other way. 

Benning have a hard time understanding swedes so russians is probably something unknown for Benning. 

 

How many personas/alias are Benning here. :bigblush:

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On 5/5/2021 at 9:34 AM, The.Burrowers said:

ownership refused to get rid of bad contracts when they needed to.  Luongo could have been bought out (like Vinny Lecavalier was by Tampa) and we wouldn't be suffering through this recapture penalty right now.  We refused to cut our losses.  Loui could have been moved last summer, his contract was favorable to a cash strapped team like the Coyotes.  The fact that JB was unwilling to add anything (as confirmed by LE's agent) is a testament to the attitude that is trickling down from ownership and/or management on their refusal to eat a sunk cost.  If you look at all the wheeling and dealing the Leafs, Lightning, Rangers, Blackhawks (to name a few) have done the last 10 years to navigate bad contracts / situations, as compared to the Canucks, the difference is night and day.  

LE's contract was not favourable given his performance (or lack thereof). No one would take LE, unless we're throwing in a first rounder. 

The Canucks would have needed a substantial contract to Tram to entice him to play here.

They were competing with a league that pays tax free to it's players. Given despite his numbers in the KHL, he wasn't going to Vancouver. 

He has a family, he seems content. And with covid maybe he feels the situation is better for himself and his family.

Stop pining for him. Move on.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

LE's contract was not favourable given his performance (or lack thereof). No one would take LE, unless we're throwing in a first rounder. 

The Canucks would have needed a substantial contract to Tram to entice him to play here.

They were competing with a league that pays tax free to it's players. Given despite his numbers in the KHL, he wasn't going to Vancouver. 

He has a family, he seems content. And with covid maybe he feels the situation is better for himself and his family.

Stop pining for him. Move on.

 

 

False.  It was more favorable last summer than it is now.  He had already been paid most of his current year salary up front last offseason and a team like the Coyotes would have got 2 years of 6 mill cap for a fraction of that price.

 

https://thecanuckway.com/2020/09/19/canucks-trading-loui-eriksson-isnt-hard-think/

 

While I can't say for certain (and neither can you), I believe we could have moved him if JB was willing to add something (less than a 1st IMO) to sweeten the pot.  His agent was on the record as saying JB was unwilling to add ANYTHING.... ANYTHING at all.... to help get a deal done.  That is ridiculous. 

 

The signing bonus isn't as juicy this offseason so teams will be less willing to offload.  I hope and pray we figure out something cause this farce has taken its toll.

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