ihaveyuidonttouchme Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 here's game highlight vs SUI thought he had pretty meh game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Edler would be a great contact to fill in Frosling on tips to becoming a better pro.Can't wait to see him in our pipeline..heck any of our draft picks,there are no guarantees in this world especially in the draft regardless the round they were taken.So many first rounders have hit the waiver wire.or traded for scraps.. First rule don't listen to the fans or read the newspaper, all garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2SKATES1STICK Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Conveniently focused on the last 10 years so you could avoid Jonathan Ericsson 291st (9th round) in 2002, Henrik Zetterberg 210th (7th round) in 1999, Pavel Datsyuk 171st (6th round) in 1998.NEVER claim that Vancouer is better than Detroit when it comes to player drafting and development. Having a "Leg up" in drafting 6th round players in the last 10 years is such a poor metric for evaluating a teams player development and scouting. Instead lets look at players Detroit has drafted in the 1st 5 rounds in the last 10 years that have played more than 50 games. Detroit: Darren Helm, Justin Abdelkader, Jakub Kindle, Shawn Matthias, Cory Emmerton, Joakim Andersson, Brendan Smith, Gustav Nyquist, Tomas Tartar, Riley Sheahan, Calle Jarnkrok, Tomas Jurko. (12 players, 9 of whom are on the roster) Vancouver: Mason Raymond, Michael Grabner, Cody Hodgson, Jordan Schroeder, Kevin Connauton. (5 players, none of whom are with the team anymore) Oh and those 9 players have combined for 130 points for Detroit this season, the other 2 have 21 points for 2 teams (one player currently not playing). The Vancouver draft picks have combined for 24 points on 5 different teams. You sir are an idiot... obviously detroit has a better draft record overall. a decade is a pretty big sample size for his basic argument which is that none of those teams get much out of the late rounds, if anything the nucks are mid-pack. d and z are poster-boy late round gems... but man that was 17 years ago. bure was a 6th rounder in 89, but that's pretty irrelevant too. his post was in response to a post about late round drafting. context is everything. in this case, your lack of reading comprehension and situational awareness leaves you looking like the idiot. also, sir, you are kind of a douche. ------------------- more importantly, forsling can have my babies if he keeps up his development trajectory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giant Inflatable Beaver Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 obviously detroit has a better draft record overall. a decade is a pretty big sample size for his basic argument which is that none of those teams get much out of the late rounds, if anything the nucks are mid-pack. d and z are poster-boy late round gems... but man that was 17 years ago. bure was a 6th rounder in 89, but that's pretty irrelevant too. his post was in response to a post about late round drafting. context is everything. in this case, your lack of reading comprehension and situational awareness leaves you looking like the idiot. also, sir, you are kind of a douche. ------------------- more importantly, forsling can have my babies if he keeps up his development trajectory glad im not the only one who thought that guy's post was super douchey and condescending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimp C Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Benning projected him to be a 4th line centre in the NHL. Stats don't always amount to a whole lot of what a player will be in the NHL. You should have figured that out But enough arguing with your ignorance Forsling has really showed some good stuff in this tourney. Hope he can build off this tourney and bring it in the SHL Yes stats do mean something. Tell me which 4th liner in the NHL scored at a .41 ppg pace in the OHL like Pettit is doing right now? Tell me which bottom pairing defensemen scored at a .23 ppg pace in the WHL like Stewart? I'd love to know. A prospects' offensive production in juniors is an indiciation of if they have the puck skills to make it to the NHL or not. Stewart and Pettit have close to zero puck skills. This is why they will never be NHLers. Choosing a guy that is small but has the offensive skill to make it to the NHL as a long shot is better than picking a guy that is a bust immediately after being picked. Thinking Stewart and Pettit are anything other than nothing prospects is ignorance by you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Yes stats do mean something. Tell me which 4th liner in the NHL scored at a .41 ppg pace in the OHL like Pettit is doing right now? Tell me which bottom pairing defensemen scored at a .23 ppg pace in the WHL like Stewart? I'd love to know. A prospects' offensive production in juniors is an indiciation of if they have the puck skills to make it to the NHL or not. Stewart and Pettit have close to zero puck skills. This is why they will never be NHLers. Choosing a guy that is small but has the offensive skill to make it to the NHL as a long shot is better than picking a guy that is a bust immediately after being picked. Thinking Stewart and Pettit are anything other than nothing prospects is ignorance by you. i'm not sure why you guys are arguing about 6th and 7th rounders, but there are very few players drafted that late that ever play in the NHL, but it doesn't mean that they'll never get into the league either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimp C Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 i'm not sure why you guys are arguing about 6th and 7th rounders, but there are very few players drafted that late that ever play in the NHL, but it doesn't mean that they'll never get into the league either. All I'm saying is its better to draft a guy that has a 5% chance of making the NHL than it is to draft a guy that has a 0% chance of making the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gstank29 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 i'm not sure why you guys are arguing about 6th and 7th rounders, but there are very few players drafted that late that ever play in the NHL, but it doesn't mean that they'll never get into the league either. CDC except every 6/7 to turn into and Ondrej Palat Duhhhhhhh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 All I'm saying is its better to draft a guy that has a 5% chance of making the NHL than it is to draft a guy that has a 0% chance of making the NHL. were there better players availible that you feel have a larger percentage chance at making the NHL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Regarding Pettit, one possible comparable is Paul Gaustad. He scored only 14 points in his draft year and 41 in his draft +1 year. Was a 2000 7th round pick, #220 overall. He's now making $3.25 million per season as an elite defensive/checking forward with size. Now Pettit will need to have a strong second half to match those totals (at least in terms of points, since he'll have more goals than Gaustad did), but it's not out of the question, especially if his linemates finally start throwing him some assists. And it's also a little different between 2014 and 2000, in terms of scoring in the CHL (and OHL versus WHL). And while I'm not, by any means, banking on Pettit becoming another Gaustad, that is basically the type of player the Canucks hope they might have in Pettit, if absolutely everything goes perfectly. It's a long shot, of course, but not without precedent. So far, we know the kid is strong on the dot, has great size and strength, is a rock defensively, has a "lunch bucket" mentality and strong work ethic, and is very coachable and well liked by the Otters' staff. Heading into the draft, McKeens wrote a piece that praised him as "the definition of a pro.". Pettit has anchored Erie's checking line for the past two seasons, taken the bulk of their defensive zone draws, and done whatever the coaches have asked of him, night in and night out. This year, while continuing to be a key defensive forward, he's also scoring some big goals and learning to use his size in front of the net. There's no doubt there were flashier options on the board when we picked this kid (and I wanted several players instead of him). But now that he's ours, I can't say I'm the least bit disappointed that we've got a guy like him in the system. Anyway, I just remembered that this is actually the Forsling thread, although you'd never know it based on the last several posts (including mine). He's certainly having quite the tournament! And I'm pleasantly surprised by his growth, as he's now listed at 6'0" and over 190 lbs, and looks to be significantly bigger than he was the last time I saw him play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimp C Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 were there better players availible that you feel have a larger percentage chance at making the NHL? Ondrej Kase, Sebastien Aho, Vladimir Tkachev, Joe Hicketts, Tyson Baillie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desiboynux4lifee******* Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Ondrej Kase, Sebastien Aho, Vladimir Tkachev, Joe Hicketts, Tyson Baillie. next years draft I want to hear your draft picks. Its easy to say we should of picked so and so after you know their potential. I will remember you lol, this is the new thing im going to do with all the cdcers who believe they are scouts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 everyone passed on Aho, you can't honestly tell me at the draft you knew anything about a 5'9" swedish player who scored 5 points in 21 games in the SHL and was -1... Kase is another midget at 5'10 and had 7 points in 37 games in the Czech top league last year... he also no longer plays in the top czech league and is now in Czech 2. there is no indication he has a better chance than either of our picks Tkachev, another tiny 5'9" player who went completely un-drafted was the center of one of mactavish's screwups when he tried to sign him in the offseason and was informed by nearly everyone, including the NHL, that he was not eligible to be signed. while he's doing better than Petit and stewart right now, he's going to have a serious uphill battle trying to make the NHL and he's just as much of a long shot as they are. Hicketts is the smallest one of all at 5'8" and was completely passed on by everyone as well... his chances at making the big leagues, or any professional league in NA, as a d-man is less than anyone mentioned in this thread. Tyson Baillie probably has the best shot, but no-one grabbed him and there's got to be a reason for that. we'll see if anyone takes a gamble on him next draft. but you can't tell me you knew anything about him on draft day either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Here's to Gradin and Benning placing his faith in him:Edler played at the under-17 level with his hometown district team of Jämtland in 2001 and 2002, competing at TV-pucken, a national Swedish tournament.[1] In 2003–04, he joined the professional Jämtlands HF. He played with the club in Sweden's third-tier league, recording three goals and nine points in 24 games, while also appearing in six games for Jämtlands HF's junior team.Edler was largely unknown during his NHL draft year, unranked by the NHL Central Scouting Bureau the entire season.[2] He was brought to the attention of the Vancouver Canucks by the team's head scout in Sweden, Thomas Gradin, who saw Edler playing with Jämtlands HF.[2] Although Gradin would refer to the team's level of play as little more than beer-league-calibre,[2] he was impressed with Edler and encouraged Canucks management to draft him (Edler's number 23 with the Canucks would later be chosen by team trainers in honour of Gradin).[3] The Canucks traded up in the 2004 NHL Entry Draft to acquire the Dallas Stars' third-round draft pick in exchange for their own third-round pick in the 2005 draft and selected Edler 91st overall. The deal was made with the Stars in lieu of speculation that the Detroit Red Wings had a high interest in Edler and wanted to draft him in the third round as well.[2][4] Detroit had discovered Edler in Sweden through their European scout Håkan Andersson, who was responsible for such previous Red Wings late-round picks as Henrik Zetterberg and Pavel Datsyuk.[2][5] At the time of his draft, Canucks general manager Dave Nonis described Edler as a "smooth skater [and a] big guy." Nonis added that "He needs some time [to develop], but in terms of raw skill, he's got quite a bit of it."[6]After being selected by the Canucks, Gradin brokered a move for Edler to play with Modo Hockey's junior club of the J20 SuperElit.[2] Edler had previously tried out for Modo's youth program, but was cut.[6] Future Canucks teammates Markus Näslund, Henrik Sedin and Daniel Sedin had also played in the Modo system before joining the NHL.[2] In Edler's lone season with Modo, he recorded eight goals and 23 points over 33 games in 2004–05.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Edler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimp C Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 next years draft I want to hear your draft picks. Its easy to say we should of picked so and so after you know their potential. I will remember you lol, this is the new thing im going to do with all the cdcers who believe they are scouts I wanted Kase and Aho before the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimp C Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 everyone passed on Aho, you can't honestly tell me at the draft you knew anything about a 5'9" swedish player who scored 5 points in 21 games in the SHL and was -1... Kase is another midget at 5'10 and had 7 points in 37 games in the Czech top league last year... he also no longer plays in the top czech league and is now in Czech 2. there is no indication he has a better chance than either of our picks Tkachev, another tiny 5'9" player who went completely un-drafted was the center of one of mactavish's screwups when he tried to sign him in the offseason and was informed by nearly everyone, including the NHL, that he was not eligible to be signed. while he's doing better than Petit and stewart right now, he's going to have a serious uphill battle trying to make the NHL and he's just as much of a long shot as they are. Hicketts is the smallest one of all at 5'8" and was completely passed on by everyone as well... his chances at making the big leagues, or any professional league in NA, as a d-man is less than anyone mentioned in this thread. Tyson Baillie probably has the best shot, but no-one grabbed him and there's got to be a reason for that. we'll see if anyone takes a gamble on him next draft. but you can't tell me you knew anything about him on draft day either. All those guys have a much higher chance of making the NHL than Pettit and Stewart. It's easier for a midget to overcome their height disadvantage than it is for an ogre to learn how to make plays with the puck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 I wanted Kase and Aho before the draft.For your credibility and the record,can you direct us to your post where you stated this?TIA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimp C Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 I'm done with this discussion. We'll see what happens in 2 years when Pettit and Stewart are in the ECHL. And I will post who I want the Canucks to draft with their picks in the 2015 draft, and see how my guys do compared to the guys the Canucks pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 I'm done with this discussion. We'll see what happens in 2 years when Pettit and Stewart are in the ECHL.No need to be upset.Just provide the proof of your alleged skill and all is goodness and light.You could have been god of this CDC thread for a day (ok,a couple of hours) but I guess that's no longer a possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimp C Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 No need to be upset. Just provide the proof of your alleged skill and all is goodness and light. You could have been god of this CDC thread for a day (ok,a couple of hours) but I guess that's no longer a possibility. I don't have any proof, you'll have to take my word for it. Or not. (I don't think anyone there will, considering how many people whine at me every time I make a single post) I'll prove it to you in June. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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