CanuckRow Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Israeli tank shells struck a hospital in the Gaza Strip on Monday, killing four people and wounding 60, Palestinian officials said, as Israel's defence minister vowed to press on with the war against Hamas "as long as necessary." A dozen shells hit the Al Aqsa hospital in the town of Deir el-Balah on Monday, Palestinian health official Ashraf al-Kidra said. He said four people were killed and 60 wounded when the shells landed in the administration building, the intensive care unit and the surgery department. A doctor at the hospital, Fayez Zidane, told the station that shells hit the third and fourth floor as well as the reception area. The Israeli military said it was looking into the report. Seems like they're REALLY concerned with civilians with those actions and that statement eh ====================================================================================== Israeli tank shells struck a hospital in the Gaza Strip on Monday, killing four people and wounding 60, Palestinian officials said, as Israel's defence minister vowed to press on with the war against Hamas "as long as necessary." Meanwhile, UN chief Ban Ki-moon and U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry headed to Cairo to try to renew ceasefire efforts aimed at ending the Israel-Hamas fighting that has killed at least 530 Palestinians and 20 Israelis and displaced tens of thousands of Gazans in the past two weeks. LIVE BLOG | On mobile? Follow the story here Fierce fighting spikes Gaza death toll 2 U.S.-raised soldiers among Israeli dead as fighting rages Palestinian-American teen talks about Israeli police beating PHOTOS | Israel's Gaza offensive Despite the new diplomatic push, Israel continued to attack targets in the densely populated coastal strip from the air and from tanks, while Hamas fired more rockets and tried to infiltrate into Israel. A dozen shells hit the Al Aqsa hospital in the town of Deir el-Balah on Monday, Palestinian health official Ashraf al-Kidra said. He said four people were killed and 60 wounded when the shells landed in the administration building, the intensive care unit and the surgery department. Palestinians mourn the death of their relatives, who medics said were killed in Israeli shelling, at a hospital morgue in Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip Monday. (Ibraheem Abu Mustafa/Reuters) Live video on Hamas's Al Aqsa TV station showed wounded being moved on gurneys into the emergency department. A doctor at the hospital, Fayez Zidane, told the station that shells hit the third and fourth floor as well as the reception area. The Israeli military said it was looking into the report. In one of several airstrikes, 25 people were buried under the rubble of a home in the southern town of Khan Younis, including 24 from the same family. Rescue workers pulled the bodies from the wreckage Monday. "Twenty-five people!" said family member Sabri Abu Jamea. "Doesn't this indicate that Israel is ruthless? Are we the liars? The evidence is here in the morgue refrigerators. The evidence is in the refrigerators." Another Israeli airstrike hit the home of the Siyam family in southern Gaza, near the town of Rafah, said the Palestinian Center for Human Rights. The strike killed 10 people, including four young children and a 9-month-old baby girl, al-Kidra said. 1 of 12 Hamas militants, meanwhile, tried to sneak into Israel through two tunnels, the latest in a series of such attempts. The Israeli military said 10 infiltrators were killed after being detected and targeted by Israeli aircraft. Hamas also fired 50 more rockets at Israel, including two at Tel Aviv, causing no injuries or damage. Since the start of the Israeli operation, Hamas has fired almost 2,000 rockets at Israel. "The tank fire and the artillery fire is near constant," CBC News correspondent Paul Hunter reported today from Erez, Israel, near the northern border with Gaza. Erez is where the tunnels Hamas was using exited into Israel. There were also unconfirmed reports that an Israeli soldier had been captured and held by Hamas. Israeli Defence Minister Moshe Yaalon said the Gaza military operation would have no time limit. "If needed we will recruit more reservists in order to continue the operation as long as necessary until the completion of the task and the return of the quiet in the whole of Israel especially from the threat of the Gaza Strip," Yaalon told a parliamentary committee. ANALYSIS | Hamas out of money, supplies, so why is it shooting at Israel? Israel accepted an Egyptian call for an unconditional ceasefire last week, but resumed its offensive after Hamas rejected the proposal. Sunday saw more than 70 Palestinians killed and 13 Israeli soldiers in the fiercest battle to date in Israel's ongoing ground offensive in Gaza. (Finbarr O'Reilly/Reuters) Hamas says that before halting fire, it wants guarantees that Israel and Egypt will significantly ease a seven-year border blockade of Gaza. "The resistance (Hamas) will not respond to any pressure," Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri said in a text message, in a reference to the renewed ceasefire efforts. Hamas remains deeply suspicious of the motives of the Egyptian government, which has banned the Muslim Brotherhood, a region-wide to which Hamas also belongs. Israel invaded Gaza late last week, preceded by a 10-day air campaign. Air and artillery strikes have targeted Gaza's border areas in an attempt to destroy tunnels and rocket launchers. Deadliest single day Sunday marked the single deadliest day in Gaza since the conflict erupted on July 8, with more than 100 Palestinians killed, according to Palestinian health officials. Most died in the first major ground battle of the conflict, in Gaza City's Shijaiyah neighbourhood, which Israel says is a major source for rocket fire against its civilians. In response to the escalation, the UN Security Council expressed "serious concern" about the rising civilian death toll and demanded an immediate end to the fighting. On Sunday afternoon, rescue workers making a last sweep through Shijaiyah had heard the voice of a woman under the rubble, pleading for help. The team left because it deemed the situation too dangerous, but returned later Sunday with a bulldozer to rescue the three people trapped underneath. Seven-year-old Bissam Dhaher, her face bruised and bandaged, was recovering Monday at Gaza City's Shifa Hospital. Relatives watched over her as the girl slept. Her uncle remained hospitalized, while an aunt — the one who had called out for help — was released, relatives said. On Sunday evening, Hamas spokesman Mushir al-Masri in Gaza claimed his group had captured an Israeli soldier. An announcement on Gaza TV of the soldier's capture set off celebration in the streets of West Bank. But there was no official confirmation or denial of the claim in Israel. For Israelis, a captured soldier would be a nightmare scenario. Hamas-allied militants seized an Israeli soldier in a cross-border raid in 2006 and held him captive in Gaza until Israel traded more than 1,000 Palestinian prisoners, some of whom were involved in grisly killings, for his return in 2011. The overnight raids lifted the Palestinian death toll to 502, mostly civilians, since fighting started on July 8. Israel says 18 of its soldiers have also died along with two civilians. http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/gaza-conflict-israeli-shells-hit-hospital-killing-4-palestinians-say-1.2712869 Perfect example of how Hamas uses hospitals, mosques, schools, as human shields and weaponry bunkers. So when Israel attacks one, when it is empty after Israel tells citizens an attack will occur, the news just writes "Israel attack hospital", rather than stating the fact "Israel Attacked Hamas weaponry/ rocket site based in hospital". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 I guess the Russians, British, French and Chinese etc should've just surrendered all that needless bloodshed would've never happened. Maybe, that or not complain about people needlessly dying when there's a war going on. Like I said, war is hell. People die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Ambien Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 I'm not "trying to be clever" as you put it. Maybe you should add something useful to the conversation instead of continuing to attack me. Attacking an argument on this subject is adding to the conversation, as much as you'd like to dramatize it not to be, adding all this "personal attack" flair to try and prevent me from posting disagreement with what you're saying. It's not working the way you want it to. I guess for those without a short term memory or have actually read the topic, this page where you try to re-brand yourself as "middle of the road" is clearly nothing more than act when you spent the entirety of the topic before this page talking about how this is Palestinian fault that the conflict continue, and presenting only one side of an argument where there's no side here who are innocent or haven't done their part in perpetuating this conflict. Hence why your doublespeak was great, you should do more of that next page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Our discussion started when I called you on your claim that israel "won" land. If you make false claims expect to be called on it. You were wrong then and you have been wrong so far in this discussion it is there for all to see. Countless posters ? There were a couple of posters that claimed like you , that they know that god does not exist, since no-one can be certain of this fact how can you be right. I suggest you try and remain philosophicaly detached while being involved in a discussion , it contributes to the credibilty of your arguments. As Jean-Jacques Rousseau noted , insults are the arguments employed by those in the wrong. Ian J. Bickerton & Carla L. Klausner, A Concise History of the Arab-Israeli Conflict p. 26, fourth edition, Prentice Hall, 2002 1900 "The French philanthropist Baron Edmond de Rothschild bought land from the Arab effendis (landowners), now and then using bribes to do so, and drove the fellahin (peasants) off the land. They were then replaced by Jewish settlers. By 1900 he had subsidized over 350 families and 19 Jewish settlements." Ian J. Bickerton & Carla L. Klausner, A Concise History of the Arab-Israeli Conflict p. 26, fourth edition, Prentice Hall, 2002 1904 "The second wave of Jewish immigration, which began in 1904, was made up of many young Russian pioneers who were committed to a return to the land. The new pioneers were strongly influenced by socialist ideas, and many belonged to the Poalei-Zion (Socialist or Labor Zionist) party that was formed between 1903 and 1906. Among the leaders of this group were David Ben-Gurion and Izhak Ben-Zvi."Ian J. Bickerton & Carla L. Klausner, A Concise History of the Arab-Israeli Conflict p. 26, fourth edition, Prentice Hall, 2002 1914 "By 1914, there were about forty Jewish settlements in Palestine, owning about 100,000 acres. According to Justin McCarthy, in his study of the population of Palestine, the total population at that time was approximately 722,000, of whom approximately 60,000 were Jews."Ian J. Bickerton & Carla L. Klausner, A Concise History of the Arab-Israeli Conflict p. 27, fourth edition, Prentice Hall, 2002 "The Ottoman Empire entered WWI in November 1914 on the side of Germany and Austria, and against England, France and Russia."Albert Hourani, A History of the Arab Peoples, p. 315, Warner Books Inc, 1991 1915 - 1917McMahon- Hussein Arab Revolt Sykes-Picot Agreement Balfour Declaration "In 1916 Husayn, the sharif of Mecca of the Hashimite family, came out in revolt against the Ottoman sultan, and an Arab force, recruited partly from beduin of western Arabia and partly from prisoners or deserters from the Ottoman army, fought alongside the allied forces in the occupation of Palestine and Syria. This movement had followed correspondence between the British and Hysayn, acting in contact with Arab nationalist groups, in which the British had encouraged Arab hopes of independence (the McMahon-Husayn correspondence, 1915-1916)."Albert Hourani, A History of the Arab Peoples, p. 316, Warner Books Inc, 1991 "An Anglo-French agreement of 1916, while accepting the principle of Arab independence laid down in the correspondence with the sharif Husayn, divided the area into zones of permanent influence (the Sykes-Picot Agreement, May 1916); and a British document of 1917, the Balfour Declaration, stated that the government viewed with favor the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine, provided this did not prejudice the civil and religious rights of the other inhabitants of the country."Albert Hourani, A History of the Arab Peoples, p. 318, Warner Books Inc, 1991 1917 - 1920 "On 28 June 1917, General Allenby was appointed commander of the British Army in the Middle East, and he mounted an attack aimed at breaking the Turkish lines in Palestine and Syria and arriving at the rear of the Turks in Anatolia. On 31 October 1917, he captured Beersheba and moved northwards, whilst the Germans and Turks were attempting to create a line of defence around Jerusalem. Allenby quickly pressed forward towards the north in two columns passing through the Judaean desert. He engaged the joint Turkish-German army in a fierce battle which took place to the west of Jerusalem on 8 and 9 December 1917 and, having defeated them, he approached Jerusalem, dismounted from his horse and entered the Holy City on foot, to be welcomed by its inhabitants. In September 1918 the other parts of Palestine were occupied. A new era then began in Palestine. Taken out of Ottoman hands, it entered into the British Mandate period, which continued for the next thirty years."Moshe Sharon, "Palestine under the Mameluks and the Ottoman Empire (1291-1918)," A History of Israel and the Holy Land, p. 322, The Continuum Publishing Group Inc., 2001 BRITISH MANDATE 1920 - 1948Back to Top DATES E V E N T 1920British Mandate "The League of Nations divided the territory [formerly under Ottoman rule] into new entities, called mandates. The mandates would be administered like trusts by the British and French, under supervision of the League, until such time as the inhabitants were believed by League members to be ready for independence and self-government... The mandate territories were Syria and Lebanon, awarded to France; Iraq, awarded to Britian; and a new entity called Palestine, which was also placed under British control. Palestine, as defined for the first time in modern history...included the land on both sides of the Jordan River and encompassed the present-day countries of Israel and Jordan."Ian J. Bickerton & Carla L. Klausner, A Concise History of the Arab-Israeli Conflict p. 43-44, fourth edition, Prentice Hall, 2002 1922 "Out of the broad region known as Palestine, Britian carved two political entities in 1921. One entity consisted of the rea of Palestine east of the Jordan River; it was named the 'Emirate of Transjordan,' and later simply 'Jordan'... In the western half of Palestine, between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River, Palestinian Arabs and Zionist Jews wrestled for control under the British umbrella."Thomas L. Friedman, From Beirut to Jerusalem, p. 14, Anchor Books, 1995 [Note: The League of Nations ratified the Mandate on July 24, 1922] 1947 "On February 14, 1947, the British cabinet decided, in effect, to wash its hands of Palestine and dump the problem in the lap of the United Nations."Benny Morris, Righteous Victims, p. 180, Vintage Books, 2001 1947 UN Partition "On November 29, 1947, the United Nations General Assembly voted 33 to 13 with 10 abstentions to partition western Palestine into two states -- one for the Jews, which would consist of the Negev Desert, the coastal plain between Tel Aviv and Haifa, and parts of the northern Galilee, and the other for the Palestinian Arabs, which would consist primarily of the West Bank of the Jordan, the Gaza District, Jaffa, and the Arav sectors of the Galilee. Jerusalem, cherished by both Muslims and Jews as a holy city, was to become an international enclave under U.N. trusteeship. The Zionist, then led by David Ben-Gurion, accepted this partition plan, even though they had always dreamed of controlling all of western Palestine and Jerusalem. The Palestinian Arabs and the surrounding Arab states rejected the partition proposal. They felt that Palestine was all theirs, that the Jews were a foreign implant foisted upon them, and that they had the strength to drive them out."Thomas L. Friedman, From Beirut to Jerusalem, p. 14, Anchor Books, 1995 ISRAEL, JORDAN & EGYPT 1948 - 1967Back to Top DATES E V E N T 1948 - 1949Declaration of Independence (Israel) Arab-Israel War of 1948 "On 14 May the Jewish community declared its independence as the state of Israel, and this was immediately recognized by the United States and Russia; and Egyptian, Jordanian, Iraqi, Syrian and Lebanese forces moved into the mainly Arab parts of the country. In a situation where there were no fixed frontiers or clear divisions of population, fighting took place between the new Israeli army and those of the Arab states, and in four campaigns interrupted by cease-fires Israel was able to occupy the greater part of the country."Albert Hourani A History of the Arab Peoples, p. 359-360, Warner Books Edition, 1991 "In the course of that war, the Zionists not only managed to hold all the areas assigned to them by the United Nations [in 1947] but to seize part of the land designated for the Palestinian state as well. The other areas designated for the Palestinians by the United Nations were taken by Jordan and Egypt; Jordan annexed the West Bank, while Egypt assumed control of the Gaza District."Thomas L. Friedman, From Beirut to Jerusalem, p. 15, Anchor Books, 1995 1949Armistice Agreements Palestinian Refugees "The armistice agreements were not peace treaties and did not provide for many of the features that normally govern the relations between neighboring states at peace with each other, such as diplomatic and trade ties. During the following years Arab leaders made abundantly clear their uniform view that the armistice accords were merely elaborate cease-fire agreements, implicitly temporary and qualitatively different from and well short of full peace treaties."Benny Morris, Righteous Victims, p. 252, Vintage Books, 2001 "At the end of hostilities early in 1949, the United Nations estimated that there were 726,000 Arab refugees from Israeli-controlled territories, about 70 percent of the Arab population of Palestine. The exact number is difficult to determine because it is impossible to know the true number of Arab illegals living in Palestine when the war broke out and the number of Bedouin who had become refugees. A fugure of about 600,000 to 760,000 is probably more accurate."Ian J. Bickerton & Carla L. Klausner, A Concise History of the Arab-Israeli Conflict p. 104, fourth edition, Prentice Hall, 2002 1949 - 1956 "The essential reality of Israeli-Arab relations during 1949-1956 was...unremitting, if generally low-key, conflict. Leaders and news media on both sides regularly voiced propaganda and traded threats, and the Arab world closed ranks in waging massive political warfare against Israel, regarding it as a pariah state and attempting to persuade the rest of the world to follow suit. The Arabs refused to recognize Israel's existence or right to exist -- leaders and writers avoided using the word 'Israel'; maps left its area blank or called it Palestine... A comprehensive Arab economic boycott was imposed, including the closure by Egypt of the Suez Canal [July 26, 1956] and the Straits of Tiran to Israeli shipping and to specific goods (such as oil) bound for Israel, carried on third-country vessels, and a ban on deals with companies doing business with Israel. The most grinding and visible expressions of animosity were border clashes. Most of the tension along the frontiers resulted from Arab infiltration. The daily trespassing and shooting incidents, the occasional murder of Israelis, and the retaliations generated fresh hostility which gradually built up to a crescendo in the second Arab-Israeli war of 1956." .................................................................................................................................................................................. This is why I think my comparison to FN and Canada is a good one. I don't agree with how Canada claims sovereignty over the land from coast to coast to coast, but I accept how things have transpired. And, again, the difference between FN in Canada increasingly receiving back their land rights (it has been taking a long time, but it's happening nonetheless) and Palestinians losing more of their land (although Israel did leave Gaza and hand it back over to them) is that FN have practiced nonviolent resistance instead of terrorist resistance. Also, before you cut and paste I highly recommend reading it first. Now, you might disagree with the interpretation of how things went down, but maybe you can try to step out of yourself for once and realize that your interpretation is not the only one and the be-all-end-all. It's not about winning, it's about expanding our perspectives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugor Hill Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Perfect example of how Hamas uses hospitals, mosques, schools, as human shields and weaponry bunkers. So when Israel attacks one, when it is empty after Israel tells citizens an attack will occur, the news just writes "Israel attack hospital", rather than stating the fact "Israel Attacked Hamas weaponry/ rocket site based in hospital". It's very easy to blow up what ever building you want, and then blame Hamas for hiding in that building regardless of whether there was any Hamas fighters in it. Notice how the media reports don't even distinguish Palestinian civilian casualties or Hamas casualties any more. Don't think they know. Those who shoots first aren't always the ones who start wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckRow Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 It's very easy to blow up what ever building you want, and then blame Hamas for hiding in that building regardless of whether there was any Hamas fighters in it. Notice how the media reports don't even distinguish Palestinian civilian casualties or Hamas casualties any more. Don't think they know. Those who shoots first aren't always the ones who start wars. That's because Hamas doesn't tell the media that these people just shot rockets into Israel civilian areas. Again, watch the Bill Maher clip to make it appear simpler for yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugor Hill Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Not at all. Just saw that one segment online and felt it was intense. Ive never looked at Sun News by choice. Go look at the Bill Maher video where the opinion I hold stands. Also, good on you for deflecting the other info I provided. Here's the video. and extremely well put. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qeHvd8Tdmo This is an incredibly one sided video. I like Bill Maher, but we know who signs his pay cheques. And of course he is a Jew. When talking about why Israel always wins, they don't even bothered to mention the billions of US aid in $ and weapons. They don't mention zionism to at least give a balancing view from Hama's charter, and of course they will never mention the money and efforts Hamas makes to build social infrastructures in Gaza. Not wrong, just horribly one sided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Attacking an argument on this subject is adding to the conversation, as much as you'd like to dramatize it not to be, adding all this "personal attack" flair to try and prevent me from posting disagreement with what you're saying. It's not working the way you want it to. I guess for those without a short term memory or have actually read the topic, this page where you try to re-brand yourself as "middle of the road" is clearly nothing more than act when you spent the entirety of the topic before this page talking about how this is Palestinian fault that the conflict continue, and presenting only one side of an argument where there's no side here who are innocent or haven't done their part in perpetuating this conflict. Hence why your doublespeak was great, you should do more of that next page. See my contributions: http://forum.canucks.com/topic/361913-update-israel-launches-ground-invasion-in-gaza-follows-israelis-teens-kidnapping-and-murder/?p=12274642 Gee - doesn't appear that I was saying it was the Palestine's fault there. Nor here: http://forum.canucks.com/topic/361913-update-israel-launches-ground-invasion-in-gaza-follows-israelis-teens-kidnapping-and-murder/?p=12276431 I also posted about the shared genetics of the Jews and Palestine's - maybe you should go back a reread the entire thread before making judgmental posts about anyone posting in here. Feel free to apologize and then I will "get over it". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugor Hill Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 That's because Hamas doesn't tell the media that these people just shot rockets into Israel civilian areas. Again, watch the Bill Maher clip to make it appear simpler for yourself. Nice circular logic... They died because they are terrorists. How do we know they are terrorists? Cuz IDF just killed them. Get out of here man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Ambien Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 See my contributions: http://forum.canucks.com/topic/361913-update-israel-launches-ground-invasion-in-gaza-follows-israelis-teens-kidnapping-and-murder/?p=12274642 Gee - doesn't appear that I was saying it was the Palestine's fault there. Nor here: http://forum.canucks.com/topic/361913-update-israel-launches-ground-invasion-in-gaza-follows-israelis-teens-kidnapping-and-murder/?p=12276431 I also posted about the shared genetics of the Jews and Palestine's - maybe you should go back a reread the entire thread before making judgmental posts about anyone posting in here. Feel free to apologize and then I will "get over it". Quote the rest of them too, starting from last page and back. You've made an army of posts, and have a very severe Israel bias. There's no reason to apologize for pointing out your bias when it smacks one in the face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Quote the rest of them too, starting from last page and back. You've made an army of posts, and have a very severe Israel bias. There's no reason to apologize for pointing out your bias when it smacks one in the face. Wrong, I'm not biased - I have made comments on both. You need to apologize for calling me a racist and for continuing to attack me in this and other threads. Tell me why didn't they accept peace in the year 2000? They would be their own country. Instead they said that they will not negotiate. Tell me, what is Israel supposed to do when the people they are in conflict with refuses to negotiate? Edit: Meant to provide the source for that pic: https://twitter.com/SulomeAnderson/status/488412130228441090/photo/1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckRow Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Nice circular logic... They died because they are terrorists. How do we know they are terrorists? Cuz IDF just killed them. Get out of here man. Clearly you don't pay attention to the info unless it says something you want to hear. They know they are terrorists or Hamas militants because they only fire at areas and targets they know had shot rockets into Israel, and specifically often, civilized areas. Unlike Hamas, they don't shoot randomly into Gaza. They find their targets who have just fired into Israel, and attack back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Perfect example of how Hamas uses hospitals, mosques, schools, as human shields and weaponry bunkers. So when Israel attacks one, when it is empty after Israel tells citizens an attack will occur, the news just writes "Israel attack hospital", rather than stating the fact "Israel Attacked Hamas weaponry/ rocket site based in hospital". You've got to be joking right.... There were no Hamas members in that hospital nor were there rockets. I DARE you to find any link that states otherwise. You're losing credibility with every letter you post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugor Hill Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Clearly you don't pay attention to the info unless it says something you want to hear. They know they are terrorists or Hamas militants because they only fire at areas and targets they know had shot rockets into Israel, and specifically often, civilized areas. Unlike Hamas, they don't shoot randomly into Gaza. They find their targets who have just fired into Israel, and attack back. You have no proof that the IDF has proof that these buildings are Hamas or weapons hideout. So it is circular logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Clearly you don't pay attention to the info unless it says something you want to hear. They know they are terrorists or Hamas militants because they only fire at areas and targets they know had shot rockets into Israel, and specifically often, civilized areas. Unlike Hamas, they don't shoot randomly into Gaza. They find their targets who have just fired into Israel, and attack back. In this day and age of high tech weapons and surveillance, why can't the IDF just find those doing the attacking instead of firing rockets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugor Hill Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 You've got to be joking right.... There were no Hamas members in that hospital nor were there rockets. I DARE you to find any link that states otherwise.You're losing credibility with every letter you post Totally. At least taxi bothers with some backups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Clearly you don't pay attention to the info unless it says something you want to hear. They know they are terrorists or Hamas militants because they only fire at areas and targets they know had shot rockets into Israel, and specifically often, civilized areas. Unlike Hamas, they don't shoot randomly into Gaza. They find their targets who have just fired into Israel, and attack back. so the mother who died in the middle of child birth in the hospital that was attacked earlier was obviously hiding weapons right. And the guy looking for survivors that was shot and killed in front of international observers obviously had it coming I'm sure. Good to know a lone volunteer standing in the rubble of his former home looking for survivors was such a threat. Even better to know that you have undeniable proof that the maternity ward in a hospital is such a hot bed of rocket attacks. The documentary film crew that was present in the hospital at that time sure must have done everything they could to suppress that information.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugor Hill Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 In this day and age of high tech weapons and surveillance, why can't the IDF just find those doing the attacking instead of firing rockets? Another exactly. If they know where all the Hamas and rockets hideouts are, they must know where the Hama leader is. Why is he still alive? The US got OBL with their intels. Why can't IDF do the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Ambien Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Wrong, I'm not biased - I have made comments on both. You need to apologize for calling me a racist and for continuing to attack me in this and other threads. Calling you a racist? I made an analogy, you should perhaps study what was being said more, before continuing to suggest I was calling you a racist. Even when you were explained (presuming English is your second language) that this is an analogy, you still flat out lie and spew more dramatics. Here are more of your posts you conveniently ignored, you can figure out where to stuff your pretend unbias: They are back because it didn't stop the Palestinians, in particular the Hamas, from continuing to attack Israel. Let us just say you did that. Then several years later, Jester13 comes back and is stronger than you - but you cry to the neighbourhood block that you are being bullied by the much stronger JDF (Jester Defense Force). What makes it "right" that you took over his house and now you say it's not "right" for him to take over yours? There is a lot of Oil in the Sinai and Israel gave that back to Egypt. I'm more on the Hamas (or is it only some of them) being troublemakers, Maybe Gaza needs to be a separate country from the West Bank Palestine? Don't know. Here's some "facts" about "Settlements" t is inconceivable that Israel would evacuate large cities such as Ma’ale Adumim, with a population of approximately 35,000, even after a peace agreement with the Palestinians, and even Yasser Arafat grudgingly accepted at Camp David the idea that the large settelement blocs would be part of Israel. The area in dispute is also very small. According to one organization critical of settlements, the built-up areas constitute only 1.7% of the West Bank. That is less than 40 square miles. Even if you add the unbuilt areas falling with the municipal boundaries of the settlements, the total area is only 152 square miles. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Peace/settlements.html ^ Nice source!. The issue is - you refer to the "region" as Palestinian only - it was also referred to as the Kingdom of Israel. Course I'm not arguing against your history post - but you're obviously biasing it towards Palestine. Are you going to acknowledge that the area was also known as Israel and that Israel itself currently is a country and that it's okay for them to remain one? Remember, I'm not pro Israel nor pro Palestine - I'm pro Peace. As far as Israel building "settlements" in the Westbank - are you saying that no group of people should ever have the right to have a "cultural" area of theirs in any place other than where they are from? ^ another attempt at doublespeak So? What has that got to do with where we are now? Who was "running the land" in the past doesn't really matter unless you're going to apply the same train of thought to the entire planet. There is an offer on the table - Hamas has refused it for the past 14 years. Let them both be their own countries. Let them live in peace (hopefully). ^ yes, let's ignore the root cause of the conflict, which is how the land was partitioned by an outside party, Hamas just needs to accept the country they are now given by Israel which makes worship in the historical manner by Muslims an impossibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Ambien Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 And some more... ^ LOL, Dennis Prager! Very unbiased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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