Junkyard Dog Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Miller.Vrbata,Sbisa,Dorsett and Bonino are not young players as they are seasoned,veteran professionals. Of course, Benning has to say that. He has to inspire hope and drive in them while providing competition for his veterans. You clearly didn't pay attention to everything I said. Of course he does because if a rookie does prove he can play at the next level then he will make room for them, that is pretty clear for any team. A part of the plan was to bring younger players in and we have started that. We also added some depth. Vey is 23 and a seasoned rookie that has developed really well. Vey has a better chance than most of our prospects to make the team. Sbisa is 24 with 250+ NHL games under his belt. Dorsett is a legitimate 4th liner. Bonino's has really good cap and is a good fit in this transitional stage. Benning said if a rookie can prove to him that they can play at the next level then he would make room for them. Wouldn't you agree that our team has gotten younger with the additions of Vey and Sbisa while adding depth with Miller, Vrbata, Dorsett, etc? That is exactly what I said so don't try to put words in my mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBHILikeTheWild Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 OP sounds like the kid who flips the board over when he's the first one out at Monopoly. I stand by the franchise defense. They'll never let this team get so low that the money stops coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
granpappy Posted July 15, 2014 Author Share Posted July 15, 2014 Looks like we have an Angelo Mosca - Joe Kapp incident brewing here. yeah, i remember that incident. good fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
granpappy Posted July 15, 2014 Author Share Posted July 15, 2014 I did not misread your text about tanking. You fully support the concept at that is what I take issue with. This was not about trades and drafting as you now try to suggest. It is funny how all of us got the wrong interpretation isn't it? I have said what I am going to say. There is nothing more to add read the first post plan a as i see it for benning is make the playoffs. he has picked up several fringe/mid-range players. this does not appear a slam dunk to me plan b, i am guessing/hoping would be to ship out vets at the the trading deadline if we are out of it. i would have gone more with the team we already had and given some prospects ice time and let the chips fall as they may. if that is so evil well, shiver me timbers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Buffalo made 5 ufa signings on July 1st. Including Matt Moulsin Brian gionta and defencemen Andre mazarous. And if you can't spell the players' names, baybe you shouldn't post your thoughts about tanking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadOgre Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 i'm glad doug wilson finally alluded to it. his team, he said might have 'tanked' in a bid for a high pick next year but as he also said, the sharks are still too good. so it's nice to know that in the gm circles this subject gets broached. jb cannot be so sure of his canucks being too good still. he will be (as are many supporters) hoping for a bounce back year. this will be plan a i guess. he cannot not have a plan b. if the team does not bounce back, i'm guessing (hoping) he moves as quick as he has in this off season. it has been well discussed already. off load vets, pick up picks/prospects and 'tank.' so, the very many 'holier than thou,' can now realize that this 'tanking' concept is within the mindset of the brass. and if the brass can think it so can the fan. and i for one am a fan. i remember watching cyclone taylor on sat nights at pacific coliseam watching the canucks, i go back a way. don't insult me about the way the game of hockey works. anyone who wants a 1 and out should go and watch ballet. you are happy to get your a** kicked?!! absolutely disgusting. believe me no one who has played this game is EVER happy to go 1 and out. so a little pain and then some gain and then the realistic expectation to go deep into the playoffs. when is a loss a win? i will be counting the losses this year and looking forward to the possibility of getting barzal or ??. most of the players we will want on the team in 3 yrs will be playing in the minors. what do i care about a bunch of well paid vets suffering through a bad season? you think you need to be a loyal fan. what a laugh you so called 'true blue.' these guys are paid professionals. bobby orr is the only player i have heard of to tear up a contract because he didnt feel he played well enough. he is the exception. the possibility of drafting another home town kid with talent is what i look forward to not a 1 and out. So am I missing something here ? Doug Wilson said that the San Jose Sharks tanked last season so they could get a high draft pick ? Seriously ? When did that happen ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbyte Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 How's that? A whole bunch of futility? Or a bunch of blind fanbases? Or how they see their talent funnelling down south and refuse to believe that our teams could very well continue to stink? Or how about accepting things like 'we will not get McDavid. Eichel. etc.' because we've submitted to the 'fact' that the south gets the good prospects too? Or how 'the Calgary approach' to rebuilding, ie. failure to acknowledge it, is strangely viewed as being a good approach? Or how that Edmonton's rebuild, the poorest example, is viewed as the only example of rebuilding up here? Edit: Actually i'm not even following the context of what you're saying. Just venting. Cheers. No worries, I know your stance and what you say is half true. The market in Canada never lets the franchise just suck for a year. Yeah, in Calgary and Edmonton it eventually got to that point but Calgary got there by trying to be competitive every year when the rest of us knew they weren't and unfortunately Edmonton is not intentionally tanking, Their management is just not that good at assembling a complete hockey team. Hell in the States they don't even try to sell tickets the first two months while competing with football and baseball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadOgre Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 this is out of the San Jose Mercury News: "I can understand when people say there are different types of rebuild," he said. "We're not going to finish last to try and draft people first or second. This is not something this franchise can do, because we already have some good players in key positions. You're not going to see us with 50 points next year -- we're too good a team for that." so he can understand there are different types of rebuilds. he says the sharks cannot try to finish last and the reason he gives is because they still have a very good team. so if he has thought about it, he must have given it a consideration. i would hope that jb, being the thorough gm we all hope he is, has also assessed hsi team and at least calculated the chances of where they might pick next year. he has made moves. there are some here that have literally guaranteed these moves will pan out. again unbelieveable. why play the games then. we will make the playoffs. all you confident homers, how much of your own cold hard cash would you put down on it? really, how much? i'm sorry to infer that anyone might be a gambler. i'm not. it seems here that you are or are not a fan based on the choice of direction you may wish for the team to go on their way to hopefully winning a SC. maybe the size of bet you would be willing to make on making the playoffs next yr might be a better indicator and make it a little more clear how big a fan you really are Why are you calling optimistic Canucks fans Homers ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Vansicle Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 And if you can't spell the players' names, baybe you shouldn't post your thoughts about tanking. This may be the biggest non-sequitur in the history of the human race. And on top of it, you spelled maybe wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalky Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 And if you can't spell the players' names, baybe you shouldn't post your thoughts about tanking. Do I make you horny, baybe, yeah, do I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bramptoncanuck Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 I"m sorry if this video link has already been posted in this thread, I didn't read through all of the pages. It's TSN story about how Pittsburgh allegedly tanked so they could pick Mario Lemieux 1st overall in the 1983-1984 season. It makes you think. Heres the link: http://www.tsn.ca/bardown/Story.aspx?TSN+Original%3A+Playing+To+Lose&id=455356 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Benning has said he wants the prospects to be groomed in a winning culture. If you want a team that sucks and tanks cheer for buffalo or EdmontonSurely you mean teams that tanked for years such as LA, Pittsburg, Chicago, Anaheim, Detroit, and so on - all before their BIG years, collected great draft picks and built teams. Pretty much they all did it except Vancouver - and look what it got us - hell, we sucked and we weren't even trying to tank! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S.Strowbridge Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Surely you mean teams that tanked for years such as LA, Pittsburg, Chicago, Anaheim, Detroit, and so on - all before their BIG years, collected great draft picks and built teams. Pretty much they all did it except Vancouver - and look what it got us - hell, we sucked and we weren't even trying to tank! Umm.... Detroit didn't suck till they had a big year. They were in the playoffs nine of the ten previous seasons before they won the Stanley Cup. And who exactly did L.A. draft that turned them into winners? Pittsburgh had the first or second draft pick four years in a row. Do you want the Canucks to tank for four years in a row? You can't suck your way to the top, because salary caps prevent buying a big team and players would rather take a pay cut and play for a contender than play for a team with a history of losing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJDDawg Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Umm.... Detroit didn't suck till they had a big year. They were in the playoffs nine of the ten previous seasons before they won the Stanley Cup. And who exactly did L.A. draft that turned them into winners? Pittsburgh had the first or second draft pick four years in a row. Do you want the Canucks to tank for four years in a row? You can't suck your way to the top, because salary caps prevent buying a big team and players would rather take a pay cut and play for a contender than play for a team with a history of losing. Uuuuummmm...Doughty at 2nd overall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiggs50 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Whenever I hear tanking I look at the disaster called the Oilers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistolPete13 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 There wouldn't be any tanking if each team had a shot at the #1 pick. Playoff teams get one ball and non-playoff teams get two balls. Don't worry about parity because the salary cap should take care of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soshified Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Uuuuummmm...Doughty at 2nd overall? Quick was more of the reason why they won in 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S.Strowbridge Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Uuuuummmm...Doughty at 2nd overall? Drew Doughty is good, but he didn't win them the cup. Los Angeles won without a superstar... although you could argue Jonathan Quick was their superstar. It was more of a team effort, and a great coach, not one player that turned things around. Also, my other two points remain. It is incredible rare that one number one draft pick turns a team around. Unless we want the Canucks to tank for the next three years, it would be better to play hard and rebuilt by enticing players with a winning environment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S.Strowbridge Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 There wouldn't be any tanking if each team had a shot at the #1 pick. Playoff teams get one ball and non-playoff teams get two balls. Don't worry about parity because the salary cap should take care of that. You wouldn't need to get rid of the weighting entirely, just changes the odds a bit. The team that did the best without making the playoffs would get one chance, the second best would get two, the third best would get three all the way up to the worst, which would get 14. If you are close to a playoff spot, you won't tank, because the playoffs are more important. If you are low in the rankings, tanking won't change your chance by enough to be worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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