CanuckFanForever1123 Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Larsson is a bust so far, but with a lot of potential. If NJ was to give up on him, I'm willing to give it a shot, but I wouldn't trade a lot for him as he is now. I like the idea of Gaunce, 2nd, and another piece such as Weber or a low tier prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supermanbieksa Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Would love to add Larsson to our organisation. But wouldn't move Corrado because we still need to keep our defensive prospects. Imo it would make more sense to trade Gaunce than Corrado as we have a couple of good 2-way centers in our prospect pool in McCann, Horvat and Cassels. Hansen, Gaunce + conditional 2nd(45th-60th) if for Larsson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 I don't actually think the OP is overvaluing Larsson at all with his proposal. While it is true the NJ isn't exactly high on him right now, that's not really very relevant. What is, however, is that he still has value with other GMs. Granted, he has become a higher risk player to obtain now as opposed to before, where some believed he could be Lidstrom-like. A year or two ago, he was considered virtually untouchable. Now that his development has stalled (and will continue to be so as a healthy scratch) some people seem to think he could be had for peanuts but that is not the case. Now, what other GM's might offer aside, do I think this would be a good move for our team? Yes - but with the understanding Larsson may indeed end up a real bust. It's a high risk, high reward move. 2nd rounders usually don't amount to anything in the NHL, Hansen is expendable, and Corrado would be replaced by Larsson so I would indeed go for it while keeping my fingers crossed. (Though I agree with the posters who feel we have more forward depth to provide in return rather than defensive depth.) Just a couple of points to note: Larsson is a right handed shot - which is less common to find and required by virtually all teams. Second, he currently has a 1 way contract.... so if we were to manage to get him from NJ, he'd either be scratched or would have to displace one of our regular d-men. I suppose Stanton could go back to our 7d, but he's actually turned into a rather serviceable 6th d-man for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beastmode33 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 I would give up sbisa, 2nd 2016, and a b prospect such as Gaunce. We should not have to play a Defenseman on their off side without an injury forcing us to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Doctor Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 They are looking at trading Myers as per NHL Network radio, so I say Gaunce + Edler for Myers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 If you can't see the obvious massive difference in value between Larsson and a guy like Jensen, then I don't even know what to say. Larsson had a higher ppg than Jensen last year in the AHL for crying out loud, and he's more of a two way defensemen anyways, while Jensen is strictly an offensive forward. If you actually think Jensen has 30 goal potential then I don't even know what to say to be honest with you... Players that score 30 goals don't have a .36 ppg in the AHL. That offer wasn't even good enough anyways. I would offer Jensen+Gaunce+2nd. That has to be the most assinined comment i've read today and i've read some gems. You're making claims of Larsson being the end all be all based on his "potential" Yet Jensen could be a 30 goal scoring threat in this league based off of his "potential" yet gets a back seat. The hypocrisy on this forum is baffling. Remind me again how AHL numbers translate into NHL careers, if we could dictate careers based off that well...we'd forego the draft. I am guessing Messiers measly 36 points in his rookie year also qualified him as a bust in the uber high scoring 80's right? Writing off one of our prospects' potential yet lauding anothers is stupid especially when the lauded player has had multiple seasons to put it together yet hasn't. If you can't see that I actually don't know what to say to you to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Don't see why the Devils would want to trade Larsson when he's got low value, when they could just wait it out/ have him be their #7 D for now and keep that inexpensive potential. They don't really have holes in their roster that they need to fill, plus their FA signings are doing quite well in providing depth. That plus Schneider's been doing really well, so I'd say Lou would hold onto him. Camel - Zajac - Jagr Zubrus - Elias - Havlat Clowe - Henrique - Ryder Ruutu - Giontu - Tootoo Salvador - Zidlicky Greene - Severson Gelinas - Merrill Larsson Schneids Clemm That said, if J.B. could pry him away I'd be all for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Don't see why the Devils would want to trade Larsson when he's got low value, when they could just wait it out/ have him be their #7 D for now and keep that inexpensive potential. They don't really have holes in their roster that they need to fill, plus their FA signings are doing quite well in providing depth. That plus Schneider's been doing really well, so I'd say Lou would hold onto him. Camel - Zajac - Jagr Zubrus - Elias - Havlat Clowe - Henrique - Ryder Ruutu - Giontu - Tootoo Salvador - Zidlicky Greene - Severson Gelinas - Merrill Larsson Schneids Clemm That said, if J.B. could pry him away I'd be all for it. I think it's been the underwhelming performance on two terribly bad years after the cup run culminating in the benching during the opening game that set people to thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimp C Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 You're making claims of Larsson being the end all be all based on his "potential" Yet Jensen could be a 30 goal scoring threat in this league based off of his "potential" yet gets a back seat. So where exactly did I say this? Please tell me. All I said is Larsson as a DEFENSEMEN has produced at a higher rate than Jensen, the FORWARD. I'm not saying Larsson is the "end all be all", whatever the hell that means. Remind me again how AHL numbers translate into NHL careers, if we could dictate careers based off that well...we'd forego the draft. I am guessing Messiers measly 36 points in his rookie year also qualified him as a bust in the uber high scoring 80's right? Look at the 30 goal scorers last year. How many of them had a .36ppg in the AHL? None of them. Players that score 30 goals either never play in the AHL, or they cruise through the AHL putting up a lot of points. Writing off one of our prospects' potential yet lauding anothers is stupid especially when the lauded player has had multiple seasons to put it together yet hasn't. I have not written off Jensen. He is a good prospect. Nowhere near as good as you think though. A 30 goal projection for him is a massive stretch, just like expecting Larsson to become an elite defensemen at this point which by the way, I do not think will happen. How has Larsson had multiple seasons to put everything together and Jensen hasn't? They are the same age, and were in the same draft. If you can't see that I actually don't know what to say to you to be honest. If you're actually as biased as you've shown in this post to be, then I don't know what else to say to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DollarAndADream Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 I don't think the proposal is close at all. Larsson still has a huge upside. They may have scratched him but they just have a ton of great young defensemen in the system. With all of them there, he needs to rotate. It's probably true that somebody is on the way out though, but not Larsson for Corrado, Hansen and 2 2nds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Emerick Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Larsson's value may have taken a hit but that doesn't mean he's being shopped. He finished the year last year on the main roster and finally cleaned up his defensive play. Hes a very efficient passer and playmaker, his vision can't be understated. Even Deboer who is his biggest critic mentioned how he was just barely supplanted by Severson. I would love to see him in for Salvador but Pete wants a DFD on every pairing. The coach/player relationship may be fractured but hes still only 21 and he'll get his shot again soon enough. No need to sell now at all unless its an offer too good to turn down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor.of.Perception Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 If you can't see the obvious massive difference in value between Larsson and a guy like Jensen, then I don't even know what to say. Larsson had a higher ppg than Jensen last year in the AHL for crying out loud, and he's more of a two way defensemen anyways, while Jensen is strictly an offensive forward. If you actually think Jensen has 30 goal potential then I don't even know what to say to be honest with you... Players that score 30 goals don't have a .36 ppg in the AHL. That offer wasn't even good enough anyways. I would offer Jensen+Gaunce+2nd. have you heard of a kid named ryan kesler? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Larsson is a bust so far, but with a lot of potential. If NJ was to give up on him, I'm willing to give it a shot, but I wouldn't trade a lot for him as he is now. I like the idea of Gaunce, 2nd, and another piece such as Weber or a low tier prospect. The rule of thumb with D they don't start to hit there stride until they've played at least 250 NHL games. People called Hedman a bust. Now he's a top D in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgilny896 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Idt Anyone called Hedman a bust. They've been raving about him for a few years now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimp C Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 have you heard of a kid named ryan kesler? Kesler is a totally different situation. He was drafted out of the NCAA, so he was allowed to go to the AHL right away. He put up 11 points in 33 games in the A bouncing from the NHL to the AHL. That's a .33ppg as a 18/19 year old. In his 20 year old AHL season (which would be equivelent to Jensen's 2013-2014 AHL season, Kesler put up 57 point in 78 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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