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Let's not go down that path again, especially after two bloody games. We already went that route with Luongo and what good did that do? It just makes it worse. Let's try to hold off on the knee jerk reactions, drama BS, criticism and the controversy starting this time. It will go a long way if we do. Let's try to turn a new leaf and support our new starting goalie for a change and show some faith. Its hard sometimes when things go wrong but if you want to get the best out of someone its better to give support instead of criticism. If we treat the players with respect and show undying support, it will make them more motivated to return the favour by playing their best.

Best post of the season so far.

Well said and a +1 for you. It is time to be less critical and more optimistic about the team. We are two games into the season, have won both our games yet, there are those who would complain about the possibility that Ryan Miller had an extra cup of coffee before the game that made him jittery and caused him to let in a soft goal during the warm up.

Those same fans find nothing right in life. I hate constant bitchers. They don't even have a good outlook about themselves and they constantly bring others down with their negative spew.

Yep

Oh typical Canucks fans, always trying to find something wrong.

The Canucks battled back not once, not twice, but three times from being down two goals. Last year that would never of happened, even against a team like the Oilers.

I just love the way the team is competing again, yes it's only been 2 games so i'm cautiously optimistic, but i'm still optimistic. It's a feel good team again! And let's say it falls apart mid-way through the season and we start tumbling down the standings and we finish really low, well then we have McDavid there waiting for us, I doubt this season will ever go as bad as the dark Messier/Keenan era so just focus on the positives. Refreshingly, there are quite a few positives to focus on this year.

Absolutely!

2 games into the season and the 'glass is half empty crowd' are in full swing. :towel:

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Lack is better than miller and I have no doubt he will outplay miller this year. There's also a lot of revisionist history going on here with luongo and exaggerating goals luongo would have let in and miller wouldn't, lol. I'll concede miller is better than luongo/schneider in the shootout though.

The schedule makers gave the canucks a cushy start to the season with games against calgary, edmonton and edmonton. Miller hasn't looked great so far against cal/edm, so I'll be interested to see how he fares when we start playing real teams.

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Lack is better than miller and I have no doubt he will outplay miller this year. There's also a lot of revisionist history going on here with luongo and exaggerating goals luongo would have let in and miller wouldn't, lol. I'll concede miller is better than luongo/schneider in the shootout though.

The schedule makers gave the canucks a cushy start to the season with games against calgary, edmonton and edmonton. Miller hasn't looked great so far against cal/edm, so I'll be interested to see how he fares when we start playing real teams.

We needed to give Lack some rests. I get that. But did we have to use $6mil in cap space for three years to accomplish that? No. No we didn't.

I think this signing will pan out just like when Khabibulin went to Chicago. Same age. Same ability. Almost the same situation.

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We needed to give Lack some rests. I get that. But did we have to use $6mil in cap space for three years to accomplish that? No. No we didn't.

I think this signing will pan out just like when Khabibulin went to Chicago. Same age. Same ability. Almost the same situation.

Was that his left-Khabi or his right-bulin?

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We needed to give Lack some rests. I get that. But did we have to use $6mil in cap space for three years to accomplish that? No. No we didn't.

I think this signing will pan out just like when Khabibulin went to Chicago. Same age. Same ability. Almost the same situation.

the thing is eddie has shown he has all the skill required to be a really good starting goalie. hes not 19 hes 26 and will be 27 by seasons end....people keep saying we need to groom him are nuts...when goalies show that they have what it takes you gotta play them.. schnieds wasted a good couple years behind Lu and splitting time when he was ready to be a clear cut starter but he was held behind Lu.... Lack has shown he is ready and we didnt even have a problem with there being a high paid vet on the team taking his games played anymore but management went out and created that situation...

majority of starting goalies in the league played right around the same amount of games and shown just as much promise as lack has when they were named clear cut starters ,but for some reason many of you think goalies toil as back ups for there entire 20s and then become a starter...., its an old wives tale that goalies dont hit their prime until their 30s... that may have been true years ago but its not fact any more... prime age for all players are about 25 to 33. average age of an NHL starting goalie right now looks to be around 28 to 29 ish just by taking a quick glance..average cap hit for starting goalie looks to be around 4.7ish mill.... this signing of 33 year old ryan miller for 6 mill for 3 years has grinded my gears all summer... im not just jumping on him because of his slow start to the year... ive seen pretty much what i expected would come from him..its the same that st louis got outta him and that wasnt worth 6 mill...

since the full lockout 10 years ago only 2 goalies over the age of 30 have won the stanley cup (thomas and osgood)....and thats becasue goalies are more ready at a younger age and at that younger age they get paid less giving the team freedom to upgrade at other positions. the days of just making the playoffs and riding a vet goalie to the cup are over.

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the thing is eddie has shown he has all the skill required to be a really good starting goalie. hes not 19 hes 26 and will be 27 by seasons end....people keep saying we need to groom him are nuts...when goalies show that they have what it takes you gotta play them.. schnieds wasted a good couple years behind Lu and splitting time when he was ready to be a clear cut starter but he was held behind Lu.... Lack has shown he is ready and we didnt even have a problem with there being a high paid vet on the team taking his games played anymore but management went out and created that situation...

majority of starting goalies in the league played right around the same amount of games and shown just as much promise as lack has when they were named clear cut starters ,but for some reason many of you think goalies toil as back ups for there entire 20s and then become a starter...., its an old wives tale that goalies dont hit their prime until their 30s... that may have been true years ago but its not fact any more... prime age for all players are about 25 to 33. average age of an NHL starting goalie right now looks to be around 28 to 29 ish just by taking a quick glance..average cap hit for starting goalie looks to be around 4.7ish mill.... this signing of 33 year old ryan miller for 6 mill for 3 years has grinded my gears all summer... im not just jumping on him because of his slow start to the year... ive seen pretty much what i expected would come from him..its the same that st louis got outta him and that wasnt worth 6 mill...

since the full lockout 10 years ago only 2 goalies over the age of 30 have won the stanley cup (thomas and osgood)....and thats becasue goalies are more ready at a younger age and at that younger age they get paid less giving the team freedom to upgrade at other positions. the days of just making the playoffs and riding a vet goalie to the cup are over.

I agree. There were better, more affordable alternatives, and I think we signed Miller because... Well someone had to. You'll find some justification available for all Canucks moves though.

Luckily it's only 3 years. Don't think the Canucks are going on an honest cup run in that time.

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Why do some who claim Lack is too young and Cory was too young support unconditionaly goalies who became starters and pretty young ages themselves? What age is a good age for a goalie to be a starter? 26 too young?

After 26 you are pretty much a career backup.

Miller is a good goalie, I am not against the signing for ability but wanted that cap spent elsewhere as I have every confidence in Lack.

The team will give Miller over 60 starts this season no matter how he plays so there will be no Schneids/Lu Lack/Lu situation this time.

This seems about right to me.

I also thought it better if the Canucks hadn't committed that $18 mill. That was the decision of Canucks management amd it's done.

Miller's a good goalie. He has a good work ethic. He cares about winning. The way he took responsibility for his positioning in Edmonton is impressive. I'm rooting for him to do well and will continue to do so on those inevitable occasions when things don't go his way, as well as when they do.

It would only be counter-productive to create a goalie controversy when there doesn't have to be one.

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Miller is a better goalie than Lack. Regardless, the reason the Lu/Schnieds tandem became a 'debacle' was due to the bush NHLeague that changed Lu's contract. He became impossible to trade.

The Canucks often come out sluggish in the 1st, so no...no evidence of over coaching there.

Kass has started slow (just like last year) and has not played well enough for the top lines. Chances are, he will improve as the season wears on.

What has Kesler got to do with anything?

The league changed Luongo's contract? That is so bush! Did they give him more money? So unfair that they don't do that to Chicago. Such a terrible league. How did you find out about that? Inside information at the league office?

As Linden has said numerous times..."we now have players that want to be here."

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the thing is eddie has shown he has all the skill required to be a really good starting goalie. hes not 19 hes 26 and will be 27 by seasons end....people keep saying we need to groom him are nuts...when goalies show that they have what it takes you gotta play them.. schnieds wasted a good couple years behind Lu and splitting time when he was ready to be a clear cut starter but he was held behind Lu.... Lack has shown he is ready and we didnt even have a problem with there being a high paid vet on the team taking his games played anymore but management went out and created that situation...

majority of starting goalies in the league played right around the same amount of games and shown just as much promise as lack has when they were named clear cut starters ,but for some reason many of you think goalies toil as back ups for there entire 20s and then become a starter...., its an old wives tale that goalies dont hit their prime until their 30s... that may have been true years ago but its not fact any more... prime age for all players are about 25 to 33. average age of an NHL starting goalie right now looks to be around 28 to 29 ish just by taking a quick glance..average cap hit for starting goalie looks to be around 4.7ish mill.... this signing of 33 year old ryan miller for 6 mill for 3 years has grinded my gears all summer... im not just jumping on him because of his slow start to the year... ive seen pretty much what i expected would come from him..its the same that st louis got outta him and that wasnt worth 6 mill...

since the full lockout 10 years ago only 2 goalies over the age of 30 have won the stanley cup (thomas and osgood)....and thats becasue goalies are more ready at a younger age and at that younger age they get paid less giving the team freedom to upgrade at other positions. the days of just making the playoffs and riding a vet goalie to the cup are over.

Benning acquired a free asset in Miller. At first, I was right with you, I didn't like the signing because I felt Lack was ready. In a perfect world both goalies play lights out and you trade one for a first rounder. I wouldn't be surprised if Lack is dealt either this year or at the draft. For this to happen Markstrom would have to play well enough in Utica to make the move up to the big leagues next year, to back up Miller and eventually see him off... but the stars must align.

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Signing Ryan Miller to a 3 year deal was a great alternative to what was out there. It's really about opportunity cost more than anything else, and signing Miller was a bet on a guy who seems to be accountable for his play and I think is a real leader. They shouldn't spend cap space for the sake of spending cap space, ie David Booth, but it was a real upgrade as Lack and Miller combine to make a much better tandem than Lack and Markstrom. Don't think there were as many obvious upgrades across the roster. Maybe another depth forward (have tons of those) or perhaps a better 6th d-man?

The Canucks have to try to win now while the Sedins are still good. Kesler/Hodgson are now gone so that middle window between the Sedins and Horvat/Shinkaruk/Gaunce is quite wide. I will always condone upgrading your roster if you can afford it, whether its the second goalie, or the seventh d-man.

The only thing is cost them is cap space, but I do think it's a moveable contract due to its term, and don't you think a team like Edmonton, would love a half decent goalie? The big risk is that Lack is actually quite good and it screws with him. However, Lack is 26, older than you would think, and is not as likely to improve a significant amount in my mind because of that.

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Its interesting to note that Luongo just let in 5 goals in 14 shots against NJ and got yanked. Aren't we glad we don't have to put up with that crap anymore? lol.

It's also interesting to note that Lundquist just let in 5 goals in ONE PERIOD against Toronto and got yanked. And yeah, he sucks too, right? The point is ALL goalies are going to have games like that... especially this early in the season, so don't just conveniently bring up Lu's when he does. I'll expect you to mention WHEN Miller and Lack do too. It's only fair.

And btw, I thought we wouldn't have to put up with crap like yours anymore with Lu gone.

Someone's looking awfully silly right now. Yeah, aren't we lucky we don't have to put up with THAT CRAP anymore! (5G on 13 tonight).

My point was just proven.

And where's Kilgore? How was Miller's 'calm demeanor compared to Luongo' tonight?

On topic ... after 5 games, more questions than before. Is our defense good enough? We've seen a lot of defensive breakdowns the last two games that resulted in goals. Do we have a second line? How should the games be split between Miller and Lack?

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