KassianBeastMode Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I'd argue our weakness has really been the second line. Vey has delivered all we should expect at this stage. 3 pts in 5 games for a rookie is pretty darn good. Has shown a presence with the puck, been good on the PP, defensively responsible etc. Our issue, has been Bonino/Burr/Higgins are not a second line. Bonino with the right wingers perhaps but his faceoffs are killing us and he doesn't have size. I guess we see the little things that Kes brought that are now missing. Not that Kes didnt have to go but point being we didn't replace those important facets of the game outside of scoring. I really am at a loss as to why this coaching staff thinks a one line team will work here (maybe its too early but I am sure they are seeing the signs as we are). It didn't last year and yes the triplets are playing great but we haven't even faced teams that know how to shut them down yet and they racked up their stats vs edmonton and calgary. Wait till we face LA/SJ/Chi and tonight STL all who know how to shut down a one line team very well. Personally, I think we need to split the twins and spread the scoring. Daniel is not shooting anymore anyways, you don't need 2 playmakers on that line. I said this at the start of the year and think it works the best for this group. Jensen Henrik Burrows Daniel Bonino Vrbata Vey Horvat Kassian Higgins Richardson Hansen/Dorsett/Matthias 1. Line one. Showed last year (sure in a very short 5 game stint) that it has everything the old twins line had. One can argue Burr isn't a top 6 player but with Henrik he seems to play well and that line had incredible chemistry last year. Burr did the dirty work, Henrik was Henrik, and Jensen was sniping like the old Daniel, going to the dirty areas finding the soft spots and wiring shots as Hank fed him. Yes it splits up a great line, but it gives us real depth of scoring...not one line that can be shut down. And, If putting Jensen and Burr on a line w Henrik gets 20g out of Jensen and 20-25g out of Burr are we not better? Especiallly if Daniel will still get ~70pts on line 2 and Vrbata will still get 30g plus on line 2? The TEAM is now stronger. 2. Line two. As mentioned Daniel seems to be more of a playmaker now anyways. He has chemistry with Vrbata. Bonino is strengthened by two elite players. Again the line as a whole is better, the team is better. My argument on lines 1 and 2 is effectively a sum of the parts argument. Both lines are better (improving certain key players which helps the team) than they are separate. Ie Jensen and Burr won't produce the same if not on that line w Henrik, yet Daniel and Vrbata should produce pretty close and they stick together w Henrik on the PP. The combination of those two on Bonino's wings should also make him more effective and Vrbata is a great 2 way player, as we saw in Phx...he picks up a bit of the second line defensive hole left by Kesler. Henrik can carry a line (Bonino cannot and partnered with Burr and Higgins we have a 3rd line). 3. Line 3. Terrific kid line. Bo centers, good in the circle, plays with 2 talented young players. Kassian gets to play with 2 guys who can actually finish. Bo is defensively responsible and plays a conservative game, and can make up for an 'perception' of Kass defensive deficiencies (which advanced stats say actually isnt bad, but i've gone there before so I will avoid it). Bo also gets real ice to develop, he gets 2 wingers than can pot some goals, nice size on that line, playmakeing ability and finish all around, and they are sheltered minutes. 4. Line 4 - Now at the level of the group we had during the stanley cup run. Higgy is where he should be. Richie is Richie, total stud, and sub in Dorsett/Matthias/Hansen as required. Done and Done...team is now legitimate, balanced and tough to deal with on every line with real secondary scoring, and only flaw is Bonino in the circle and that can be trained... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbdoubleu Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 You're asking if the rookie who has more points than Bonino, Burrows, or Higgins, fits in this lineup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwkCam Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Aside from the resurgence of the top line with Vrbata, Linden Vey has probably been the most promising thing about this season to me. Many of the previous posters mentioned that he's on pace for a stellar 50+ points in a 3rd line roll! I would predict that by the end of the year Vey is centering an offensive 2nd line with Burrows and Higgins/Kassian while Bonino moves to the 3rd line. That's the immediate future in Vancouver if you ask me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 For now, it's not detrimental for Vey to be playing less in a more defensively focused line. He's gotta be good in his own zone anyways, and it will give him a chance to feel out the NHL without too much expectation. I think Benning is right about this kid that he definitely can become a top 6 player, but still needs time to transition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 He is a rookie finding his way in the league. It takes time and he has been pretty good. In the long run, does he fit a fourth line role, not really but that is not where he will stay as the year progresses and he gets more comfortable with the NHL game. Doesn't make sense to move Vrbata back, he is exactly what the Sedin's need, a shooter. Ultimately I would like to see Vey play as second line RW and try to get Bonino playing more of a goal scorers role. Line still needs a shooter. If Kassian was a little more consistent about going to the net and shooting the puck that would be ideal. Burrows and Higgins moving back with Bo between them so he has a good veteran presence on his wings would make a potentially very solid 3rd. Then the fourth is the fourth. Rotate in who plays well on Richardson's wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Fig Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Vey fits a lot better than a number of other forwards I could name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amitriptyline Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Vey isn't going to be able to do much of what he's good at being on the 4th line. He should be higher up. I'd like to see him on the second. I would be more worried about Burrows. He's been a total no-show since the after the 1st game. I'm getting sick of his inconsistency and lack of offensive production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moizmad Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Why is Vey on the PP???? Put Burrows in front of the net to annoy the goalie and the D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoosh Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I think he fits anywhere but line 4. He can move up and down the roster and has decent talent, give him some time. I think he isn't properly used if he is moved up and down the roster. He's at an age and stage where he needs stabile line mates that he can find groove with, no being toss around. Players like Richardson, Mathias can do so as they are more mature NHL players and have gotten used to different scenarios with the big boys. We'll ruin him if we use his as a spare part! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRussianRocket. Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Bump Lolz, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NucksPatsFan Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Why is Vey on the PP???? Put Burrows in front of the net to annoy the goalie and the D. I love when things are timed perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugar baby watermelon Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Simple answer yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amitriptyline Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 How can someone even suggest this? I love the addition of vey to the team. He hasn't disappointed one bit. He's given the PP a big boost too. Great pick up by Benning. I don't want him going anywhere but up in the line-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfstonker Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 "By the way, Hodgson has 1 pt in 7 games so far this year and is -6 in +/-. He is an interesting comparison with Vey and he is getting paid 7 times as much. I bet Vey has a better year than Hodgson." This says it all for me. If Vey had been one of our own draft picks we would all be raving about him after the start he has had here. I like what he brings to the team. My only regret is that perhaps he could put on more muscle as he is inclined to be shoved about a bit too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YummyCakeFace Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Simple answer yes yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuckFather Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Jesus, CDC is a weird place. Some days they'd want a newly drafted guy with no AHL experience in the line up, but want a kind of seasoned rookie with excellent AHL resume out. I think he's been doing good stuff and is staying put. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimberWolf Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Jesus, CDC is a weird place. Some days they'd want a newly drafted guy with no AHL experience in the line up, but want a kind of seasoned rookie with excellent AHL resume out. I think he's been doing good stuff and is staying put.Maybe it's possible that the conflicts come from different people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollieo Del Fuego Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Vey is doing fine, he looks like he could get injured pretty easy though. He tried to hit a D. man last game and just bounced off, I don't think the D. man even noticed. What Vey does bring is still more valuable then half our bottom 6 players (after Bo) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Lord Baltimore Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Maybe it's possible that the conflicts come from different people? Nope, CDC is one single entity, we are all just thoughts of the great hivemind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honeydew Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Does this thread really need to talk about Linden Vey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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