I.Am.Ironman Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 Noooo..... The reason being lies within the Colorado, Dallas, and Tampa games. We might be 7-3-0, but our record is misleading. We were destroyed in those games. We're a good team, but we're not even close to cup worthy yet. It'd be pointless to try to contend now when we know we can't. Wait and be patient. Our prospect pool isn't the greatest, but we have some real studs in there, and we can still build upon it. I see your point but we outplayed Tampa. 2 poor turnovers lead to 2 stamkos goals. It was all Canucks from there. We beat the best team in the east 2 days ago. Let us see what happens tonight against a resurgent EDM and down in California before we start labelling this teams as a contender or not. But either way, I agree we should stay the course this year and hold on to the picks and prospects. Go as far as this group will take us then re-evaluate in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tangelos Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 I think the Canucks will have a decent season, but they have yet to prove that they have another gear come playoff time like the kings or hawks. Until we prove we can compete in the playoffs I'm not comfortable trading any of our top prospect. The kings and hawks are just cruising to the post season while we're playing playoff hockey right now just to get in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManUtd Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 No. This is the year to finally grab that elite talent in the draft. If those prospects go for anything it should be to make a play for a high draft pick. McDavid and Eichel aren't going anywhere but the top 10 is loaded with other potentially elite talent that the prospect pool lacks. Don't forget that the team was actually doing perfectly fine for a lot of last year before falling off a cliff. I doubt it happens again but knowing the Canucks luck, if they traded the 1st without top 10 protection they'll somehow manage to give away a top pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erkayloomeh Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 I would actually like to do the reverse of what the op is suggesting. If any one of our older players (burrows, higgins hansen bieksa) would agree to a trade to a contender then i would like to stock up even more on picks. You could even package a pick such as our second or third to make the pick coming back a first. other players such as mathias and gaunce are also expendable to raise up the pick coming back. we can replace veterans in the offseason with ufas to keep this team competitive for the time being. I do agree with one thing the op eluded to though in that we are not going be a contender down the road with the prospect pool we currently have but i thunk we just continue to build and improve that prospect pool not deplete it further on the remote chance we win a cup with our current lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarM Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 I am with Terrible Dee, the playoffs are a crapshoot. I spent too many years watching this team miss the playoffs year after year. Some newer fans are a little spoiled because this team has consistently made the playoffs lately. I say lets get in there and just see what happens. The biggest asset I see in the playoffs is those players that do "so so" in the regular season and then "step up" in the playoffs. Also the "hot" goalie can take you a long way. The "king" Richard and "Capt" Kirk come to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Magician Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 No. This is the year to finally grab that elite talent in the draft. If those prospects go for anything it should be to make a play for a high draft pick. McDavid and Eichel aren't going anywhere but the top 10 is loaded with other potentially elite talent that the prospect pool lacks. Don't forget that the team was actually doing perfectly fine for a lot of last year before falling off a cliff. I doubt it happens again but knowing the Canucks luck, if they traded the 1st without top 10 protection they'll somehow manage to give away a top pick. Not it’s not bro. The Canucks won’t finish bottom 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 Let me ask the obvious question. We go all out. We trade our first and second and third or any combination of those in 2015 and or 2016 right. Any combination of those picks, with say someone like Matthias, Richardson, Hansen. We also package up and trade off any one of our combination of Horvat, Cassels, Gaunce, Jensen, Shinkaruk, McCaan, Subban, Hutton. We make the playoffs. And then... We Pittsburgh, Boston, St Louis our way out in the first or second round. You know what I mean, where these teams load up on all this massive talent like Iginla Morrow Miller Ott etc and do less than nothing Now we have a bunch of vets, aging Sedins, NO DEPTH like at all and less prospects than even Gillis could manage and no picks to match What then? Ten games in to the NHL, CHL, AHL and ECHL seasons this should not even be a consideration. 50 games in it should not be a consideration unless we see Anaheim losing Getzlaf and Perry for a few months, LA losing Kopitar Doughty and Quick for a few months, Chicago losing Toews and Keith, San Jose losing Thorton and Hertl, Dallas losing... Get the point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 Nope. Sedins and Vrbata should be effective next year too. As should the rest of the core. Another shrewd trade and/or free agent signing, along with one/two of the prospects really stepping up, could take us to another level. But the latter part is less likely to happen if we're trading them away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 Hamhuis and Bieksa have been a disappointment so far with hardly any points and shocking +/- ratings but hopefully they can turn it around. You seriously have to get off your +/- fetish it has to be the most usless Stat for judging a players worth.... 45% luck/goalie, 45% situation, 10% player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 And NO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70seven Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 I posted this in another thread, but its applicable here too. I got thinking of how many fans inaccurately remember how last season went for this club. the last half of last year was so bad that everyone forgets how well the team was doing before new years. then the eastern and cali swings, the injuries, the drama, the trade, and the failure to recover. hell we only missed the playoffs by 8 points despite having an absolute debacle of a half season. heres a 13/14 season breakdown: october record: 9-5-1 (0-2-0 vs cali) november record: 4-5-4 (1-2-2 vs cali) december record: 10-1-1 (no games vs cali)...wasnt this the best december canucks record of all time? pre new year record : 23-11-6 (1-4-2 vs cali) january record: 4-9-2 (0-3-1 vs cali) - Henrik and Santorelli injured, Torts meltdown. february record: 1-4-1 (no games vs cali) - 7 straight losses heading into Olympic break where kesler was injured march record: 6-7-1 (0-1-0 vs cali) - Luongo snubbed from heritage classic, traded without playing a game this month april record: 2-4-0 (1-1 vs cali) record after new years: 13-24-4 (1-5-2 vs cali) crazy right? seasonal record vs California a mind boggling 2-9-4. 2 wins over 15 games!?! 6 points of an available 30??? even just winning 6 of 15 wouldve made us a playoff team despite the major breakdown in early 2014. The true test for THIS team is how they finish vs California. They will win some and lose some vs the rest, but California is likely to dictate if there will be playoffs or not. Also to note that the Sedins started out much like this season before slowing down in early November. Henrik had 12 points over his first 10 games, identical to this season, and had 20 over his first 17 GP. Daniel had 17 over his first 17 GP. They then started to become inconsistent, having a good stretch of games, and then missing the score sheet for small stretches before going MIA after the new year. Fortunately Willie D seems to understand that keeping them fresh should result in that consistency being available come January. No need to buy, sell, plan the parade or funeral. Just have to wait and see what Cali brings, and if the twins can stay healthy and fresh throughout the season. The realistic goal for this group is to make the playoffs and hopefully win a round. If you think that team management will be giving up future assets for added depth or injury replacement, without correctly identifying that this is clearly not a Cup contending team, you are sadly mistaken. We may add or subtract a piece here or there, but out top prospects and draft picks arent going anywhere. Its possible that the team could deal Lack/Markstrom + a depth piece for a roster upgrade, but Id be quite surprised to see them do much more than that. Part of the transformation of this group was to remove the parasites, and give them a vote of confidence and a sense of stability. Trades dont generate these intangibles. So long that this group is performing at a decent rate, getting along, and having fun, they wont be messing around while rebuilding the teams culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 Not it’s not bro. The Canucks won’t finish bottom 10. With all respect to that belief. last janurary we weren't picking top ten. When the Leafs traded for Kessel they weren't drafting top 10 in back to back years either. 10 games in nobody can make that prediction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarM Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 I don't think its a matter of doing one or the other. This Management team seem to have the right plan in place. Keep the most competitive team possible(use all of the cap space) on the ice while retaining futures(draft picks/rookies). Its kind of the best of both worlds which is fine with me. I think if an opportunity presents itself which makes sense(trade) I am sure management will make sure that it will benefit the team first and foremost for now and the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 Another thing to consider is, next year Chicago will take a big step back, as they will have to move a couple big contracts to make room for the new Kane/Toews ones. LA to a lesser extent, likely won't be able to re-sign Justin Williams. The following year Kopitar is up, so who knows who else they'll have to shed to have money for him. Anaheim's window is this year and next, where they have Kesler and Andersen for below-market. In those two years, a helluva lot of RFAs are coming up too. They can't keep those guys together long. For the next two years, we should try to stay competitive, and hopefully catch some breaks in the playoffs. After that, there will be room for new teams to take the lead in the conference. Hopefully our young guys are up to the challenge, and the twins can stay at least 'awesome 2nd line' competitive for the last two years of their contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice orca Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 2yrs ago the OP wanted a big physical scoring winger now we got one in Virtanen and now he wants to go small in Godreau or Ehlers or Nylander. The whole thread is a farce by him to run down Virtanen and bitch about the guys he wanted to draft. Just go look at his posts in the prospect forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzy Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 I know it would be risky, but what makes us think that our current prospect pool is good enough to win a Cup? Compare them to some very deep prospect pools like San Jose, Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg, LA etc. and our kids don't stand a chance. We lack elite talent on the farm and the only kids putting up decent points are Subban and Cassels, and they're both older than most of their competition. Meanwhile Horvat, Jensen and Shinkaruk aren't putting up amazing numbers in the AHL by any stretch of the imagination. The question is, what gives us a better chance to win a Cup - complement our current stars who are still playing very well with a few extra pieces by trading away a couple of prospects, or hoping that our next wave of prospects is better than our current stars (and the future talent in the league)? Personally I believe that the Sedins-Edler-Miller combination may be the best chance we'll have for a long time of winning a Cup. Benning doesn't have to go all in, but I'd like to see him move a couple of our prospects around to hopefully get a veteran depth forward who can score 15-20 goals, and a young future top-4 defenceman who would be a good depth guy. Good teams win Cups on the fly while grooming young talent, there's no reason we can't trade say Virtanen, Cassels and Gaunce for a top-4 defenceman and a scoring winger. We'll still have Horvat, Vey and McCann at center, and Shinkaruk, Jensen and Kassian on wing so it's not like we're selling the entire farm. I've commented on a few of your posts lately and from what I've read you have this opinion our youngsters aren't very good. It's not all about points. There are situations in the AHL where people don't put up many points but when they get to the NHL are very effective. There are also situations where players rack the points up in the AHL but get to the NHL and literally suck. What I'm trying to say is our prospect pool has got better, it has gone from a 29th rank pool to 20th in the space of one draft. Gaunce is playing very well in the AHL at the moment, he could possibly get a call up this season because he has realised what he needs to do to get to the NHL. Shinkaruk has a brilliant shot, he may not be putting up points in the AHL but it's quite possible when he plays with better passers he can get that shot off and he will score goals in the NHL. Horvat, to win playoff series you need shutdown centres, his comparable is Bergeron. If he gets to that standard the Canucks will be in a great place! McCann, I think a lot of teams are going to regret not taking him sooner, he's the one who's going to be a mainstay in the top six. Virtanen is projected to be a top six, hits, physical and an NHL calibre wrist shot already. what's not to like? Now pack those youngsters with a few Free Agents (Canucks are still a team that are in on all the top Free Agents every year) and now the situation seems a bit more rosier. Enjoy the next few years watching these youngsters play for the Canucks, it's gonna be fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 Another thing to consider is, next year Chicago will take a big step back, as they will have to move a couple big contracts to make room for the new Kane/Toews ones. LA to a lesser extent, likely won't be able to re-sign Justin Williams. The following year Kopitar is up, so who knows who else they'll have to shed to have money for him. Anaheim's window is this year and next, where they have Kesler and Andersen for below-market. In those two years, a helluva lot of RFAs are coming up too. They can't keep those guys together long. For the next two years, we should try to stay competitive, and hopefully catch some breaks in the playoffs. After that, there will be room for new teams to take the lead in the conference. Hopefully our young guys are up to the challenge, and the twins can stay at least 'awesome 2nd line' competitive for the last two years of their contracts. I like your thinking here, D-M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 If we have a strong enough team this year to get a round or two into the playoffs, think of it as a pleasant surprise. Nothing more. This team is not in a position to start trading picks and prospects away for another cup run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 A team that should be going all out for the cup is ANH. Perry is playing like a monster this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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