DownUndaCanuck Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 It's no secret Ryan Johansen's been on Vancouver's radar for a while, and that we need a big, strong future center to take over from the Sedins to compete in the tough Pacific division. Johansen would fit that bill perfectly. He's still over a point per game with the struggling Blue Jackets and is their only bright spot, so we'd need a very convincing trade to bring him over here (especially after he signed an extension). Despite Columbus' struggles, they're still doing well considering all their injuries, and are getting plenty of offence from their veterans. However, they've been shocking defensively and their goaltending situation is an absolute mess. That's where Vancouver comes in, with plenty of quality depth in net. We have goalies, they have centres. TO VAN: Ryan Johansen and a 5th round pick TO CBJ: Markstrom, Bonino, Stanton and a 2nd round pick Why Columbus does this trade: Columbus' two goalies are the worst duo in the NHL right now and although Bobrovsky is only 26, they could use some help in net for the future. Markstrom is the best goaltender in the AHL right now and is showing that he's ready to play in the big league, but won't get a sniff behind Lack and Miller. In Columbus he would be fighting for the starting position and would probably win it. Obviously trading away their point-per-game top line center in Johansen would cost them offence, but they get most of it back with Bonino who's got 14 points in 17 games and is a sparkling +10 - something Columbus desperately needs is solid defence from their forwards, because their defence men are mostly puck movers. The Bluejackets lose out on a bit of offence with this center swap up but still get a young center back who is showing he can probably play top line minutes. Bonino's stock is sky-high right now. On defence, they get Stanton who this team desperately need. Their defence men are all puck movers and they need a stay at home, physical guy who can help them clear the front of the net and contend with forwards, because Wisnewski, Savard, Johnson and Erixon have struggled in their own zone. They're all pilling up the points but this defence needs a bit of stability that Stanton brings. I would also throw Hansen into the trade seeing as Columbus desperately needs players in their bottom-6, but it gets a bit heavy then so a 2nd round pick would be more realistic. Why Vancouver does this trade: The Canucks have depth in goal with Miller, Lack, Ericsson and Demko so won't feel the heat of losing the AHL's best goalie, and they would probably lose him to waivers anyway. Bonino has been the Canucks best all-round player this season IMO but Johansen would fill his role with ease and provide us with that elusive future #1 center we desperately need. As for Stanton, he may be key on our defence but we have Sbisa to replace his minutes and hopefully Benning starts drafting defencemen soon because after this trade, that's all the team needs. Foligno - Bonino - Hartnell Atkinson - Letestu - Anisimov Skille - Jenner - Gibbons Calvert - Chaput - Boll Wisniewski - Johnson Stanton - Savard Erixon - Tyutin Markstrom Bobrovksy I know Johansen is their cornerstone, but this team is far better rounded than with him and no Bonino, Stanton and Markstrom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Boone would porbably a lot cheaper to get and we have pieces Columbus may want. Jensen, Lack, 2nd for Jenner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dasein Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 The words "realistic" and "blockbuster" should never be used in the same sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gretzky to Lemieux Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 i think they would want lack and a higher pick for johansen. they probably dont want to give up the 5th round pick either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 That proposal is not realistic at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Mother of god...Ryan Johansen and a 5th for A solid AHL goalie when they've got Bobrovsky Nick Bonino who is seeing 2nd line duties for the first time in his career Stanton who was a waiver wire pick up And a 2nd.... "realistic" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckMan10 Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Bones isn't a 1st line center, He's had great chemistry with burrows and higgy this year and is putting up good points, but he's not a first line center. Value is decent, but Columbus would have a massive hole at first line center. anot very realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted November 14, 2014 Author Share Posted November 14, 2014 The thing is they've got Jenner up and coming who will be a future first liner, and will likely get a good shot at McDavid or Eichel at this rate as well. Having McDavid, Johansen and Jenner on the same team would lead to a few unhappy campers so making this trade this season (around the deadline if they're in the same position in the standings) is perfect. They get Bonino and Jenner to finish out the season as sort of a 2A 2B, then next year with McDavid, Eichel, Strome or even Roy they'll have a future first line center thrown into the mix (probably assuming 3rd line center duties) while Jenner takes the 1C job and Bonino at 2C. Bonino would be happy to move down the lineup and take the 3rd line center role again a few years down the track when Jenner and McDavid/Eichel/Strome are ready for the 1C-2C opportunity, whereas if they kept Johansen he'd probably just walk at free agency and they'd get nothing for him. And for those of you slagging on Stanton and Markstrom, Stanton may have been a "waiver wire pickup" but he played the majority of last season and has proven his worth. Just because he's a waiver wire pickup doesn't mean he's rubbish, he's proven he's a decent bottom pairing defence man this season and has room to grow, but more importantly he's the type of D-man that Columbus desperately needs. As for Markstrom, if they want more current success (unlikely as they'd be aiming for a playoff run in maybe 2-3 years down the line after this season) we could throw them Lack and keep Markstrom but giving them a slightly younger goalie makes more sense for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 The thing is they've got Jenner up and coming who will be a future first liner, and will likely get a good shot at McDavid or Eichel at this rate as well. Having McDavid, Johansen and Jenner on the same team would lead to a few unhappy campers so making this trade this season (around the deadline if they're in the same position in the standings) is perfect. They get Bonino and Jenner to finish out the season as sort of a 2A 2B, then next year with McDavid, Eichel, Strome or even Roy they'll have a future first line center thrown into the mix (probably assuming 3rd line center duties) while Jenner takes the 1C job and Bonino at 2C. Bonino would be happy to move down the lineup and take the 3rd line center role again a few years down the track when Jenner and McDavid/Eichel/Strome are ready for the 1C-2C opportunity, whereas if they kept Johansen he'd probably just walk at free agency and they'd get nothing for him. And for those of you slagging on Stanton and Markstrom, Stanton may have been a "waiver wire pickup" but he played the majority of last season and has proven his worth. Just because he's a waiver wire pickup doesn't mean he's rubbish, he's proven he's a decent bottom pairing defence man this season and has room to grow, but more importantly he's the type of D-man that Columbus desperately needs. As for Markstrom, if they want more current success (unlikely as they'd be aiming for a playoff run in maybe 2-3 years down the line after this season) we could throw them Lack and keep Markstrom but giving them a slightly younger goalie makes more sense for them. All of which of course means they'll totally move an NHL ready 6 foot 4 225 pound all star center still under ELC for all of the above because...they can then make a run for Eichel or MacDavid!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyhee Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 My reaction to this is different from some. I think what you have Vancouver offering is probably fair in the sense that Columbus would probably be a slightly better team, at least at present, with the trade than without it. I agree with the posters that don't think Columbus would take it. The reason I don't think Columbus would take it is that I think they'd consider they should get a premier player back for Johansen-essentially, the elite for elite idea. I personally wouldn't make this trade from either side, but from each side would be concerned that by turning it down I was making a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSnipeshow91 Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Change Stanton to a 2016 1st and only then they might pick up the phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KariyaSakicAnderson Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 The thing is they've got Jenner up and coming who will be a future first liner, and will likely get a good shot at McDavid or Eichel at this rate as well. Having McDavid, Johansen and Jenner on the same team would lead to a few unhappy campers so making this trade this season (around the deadline if they're in the same position in the standings) is perfect. They get Bonino and Jenner to finish out the season as sort of a 2A 2B, then next year with McDavid, Eichel, Strome or even Roy they'll have a future first line center thrown into the mix (probably assuming 3rd line center duties) while Jenner takes the 1C job and Bonino at 2C. Bonino would be happy to move down the lineup and take the 3rd line center role again a few years down the track when Jenner and McDavid/Eichel/Strome are ready for the 1C-2C opportunity, whereas if they kept Johansen he'd probably just walk at free agency and they'd get nothing for him. And for those of you slagging on Stanton and Markstrom, Stanton may have been a "waiver wire pickup" but he played the majority of last season and has proven his worth. Just because he's a waiver wire pickup doesn't mean he's rubbish, he's proven he's a decent bottom pairing defence man this season and has room to grow, but more importantly he's the type of D-man that Columbus desperately needs. As for Markstrom, if they want more current success (unlikely as they'd be aiming for a playoff run in maybe 2-3 years down the line after this season) we could throw them Lack and keep Markstrom but giving them a slightly younger goalie makes more sense for them. Just because they may have a shot at McDavid or Eichel doesn't mean that they will give Johansen away and who's to say that a few of those players maybe "unhappy" none of us can know that.. Jenner is not a 1c and if we are speculating on who may be unhappy, I'll say that Bonino will be unhappy at being the 3c even if it in a few years. If they kept Johansen then in a few years if they feel he will not re-sign they can get a lot more than what this brings to them. As descent of a proposal that may be it's not what it would take to get him, would you be happy with that trade for Kesler? I think not... I see that you may think that this is similar value as to what we got for Kesler by proposing a similar trade but replacing that 1st with a Markstrom and 2nd, don't forget Kesler handcuffed the canucks by wanting to only go to Anaheim, otherwise if it was a 6 team race, we may have gotten more and Johansen is worth more than Kesler. The only way your proposal may work is if Johansen tells management he wants out and only to Vancouver otherwise.... a more realistic trade for Johansen is Bonino, Horvat and 1st Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Schneider Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 In what sense is this realistic, or "blockbuster" in perspective of Columbus? Columbus desperately needs some kind of star to retain their hockey market, and RJ is the closest thing they have to one (see Rick Nash). If both parties are discontent with each other's presence, and seek to part ways, Columbus will for sure demand in return a young star with flare and star power. If they are convinced Jenner is their future 1C, they will demand a proven young top 6 winger or potential 1st pairing defenseman as the starting block. A 2nd round pick, on top of a roster player (who can fill a need for Columbus) and a good prospect will most likely seal the deal. The only thing Columbus might even be interested in your offer is Stanton, and that is as a complimentary piece to sweeten the deal and nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter.S-Kerouac Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 Mother of god...Ryan Johansen and a 5th for A solid AHL goalie when they've got Bobrovsky Nick Bonino who is seeing 2nd line duties for the first time in his career Stanton who was a waiver wire pick up And a 2nd.... "realistic" Count to ten and do your Breathing excercises. Let him have his fantasy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 Count to ten and do your Breathing excercises. Let him have his fantasy. I tend to fantasize more about gir... Ok fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 1. Columbus is not going to give up it's future in Johansen. 2. If it ain't broke don't fix it. Bonino is young and developing. Why trade Bonino when he's one of our current cogwheels driving the team along? Similar can be said with Stanton although to a lesser extent? 3. Markstrom's had many chances to prove himself in the NHL to no avail. It's just another risk for Columbus. Their duo has just as good of a chance of getting better as Markstrom has of making them better. This trade does nothing for either team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 They'd want Horvat Stanton Hansen and two firsts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder Bunnies Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 I don't see Benning trading Bonino anytime soon. Bonino was the main piece Benning wanted back from Anaheim for Kesler. Plus he hasn't even played a full season with us yet, and so far; the line of Higgins, Bonino, and Burrows are working well so I don't think he will go anywhere unless it's an overpayment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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