Van-NJD Proposal

[NorthWestNuck]

What do you guys think about possibly trying to pry Larsson out of NJ? IMHO, He has a lot of untapped potential and is not being used properly in Jersey having been passed in the depth chart by guys like Gelinas, Merrill and Severson.

Could we possibly trade say Hansen + a 3rd or 4th rounder in 2015? We have enough depth that Hansen is despensable and I think a fresh change would help Larsson out, not to mention the Swedish connection here in Van. Anyway, just a thought. What does everyone think? does Larsson have more to offer then he has shown so far?

[Toews]

If that is the best offer that the Devils get, they will easily keep Larsson. The Devils have a number of 3rd and 4th line players, if they do look to move Larsson they will try to package for a top 6 forward. I don't see Hansen and a 3rd being close to enticing.

Larsson is still young and while I don't see him being a #1 I think he still has the talent to be a #2. Some defenseman are late bloomers, just take a look at Stralman in Tampa, he has become an absolute stud there and is thriving under a bigger role and a more responsibility. I don't think its wise for the Devils to give up so soon on Larsson. If the Devils do think that Larsson is no longer needed I expect they will go looking for a young forward in the exact same situation elsewhere. Someone like a Baertschi or Grigorenko also have the same kind of boom or bust potential.

[Herberts Vasiljevs]

The weekly Larsson proposal

[ice orca]

The weekly Larsson proposal

This.. almost getting into Kane/ Johansson territory.

[Warhippy]

Stated time and again you're looking at one of Hansen or Matthias and then Corrado or Stanton + a 4th or 5th round pick.

And no, Larsson is not worth a blue chip and a first and more because of his "potential"

He's been in the league almost 4 seasons, spends more time in the AHL than NHL and this season only suited up for 8 games with a career - in +/- and barely a .36 ppg average in almost 130 games which while not bad is exclusively at his endlessly blown zone coverage as he has edler syndrome from last season at many points in games which sees him when he does play on the 5-6 pairing.

[qwijibo]

Stated time and again you're looking at one of Hansen or Matthias and then Corrado or Stanton + a 4th or 5th round pick.

And no, Larsson is not worth a blue chip and a first and more because of his "potential"

He's been in the league almost 4 seasons, spends more time in the AHL than NHL and this season only suited up for 8 games with a career - in +/- and barely a .36 ppg average in almost 130 games which while not bad is exclusively at his endlessly blown zone coverage as he has edler syndrome from last season at many points in games which sees him when he does play on the 5-6 pairing.

There's one thing you seem to constantly leave out when you're running down Larrson. He's 22. How many 22 year old defenceman make a huge impact on an NHL level? Other than Goaltender Defence is the hardest position to learn at an NHL level, it also has fewer openings to really step in and get big minutes, especially on a team that has historically been very strong defensively. Give the kid some time to develop and find his game on an NHL level. It's funny how you seem to have a "wait and see" attitude when it comes to Canuck prospects but are ready to pronounce other teams young players you're ready to write off the "potential"

Is he worth selling the farm for? No, but I don't think his stock is nearly as low as you seem to think it is.

[Warhippy]

There's one thing you seem to constantly leave out when you're running down Larrson. He's 22. How many 22 year old defenceman make a huge impact on an NHL level? Other than Goaltender Defence is the hardest position to learn at an NHL level, it also has fewer openings to really step in and get big minutes, especially on a team that has historically been very strong defensively. Give the kid some time to develop and find his game on an NHL level. It's funny how you seem to have a "wait and see" attitude when it comes to Canuck prospects but are ready to pronounce other teams young players you're ready to write off the "potential"

Is he worth selling the farm for? No, but I don't think his stock is nearly as low as you seem to think it is.

Well, Edler was 26 and 27 respectively yet this fan base was running him out of town.

With all due respect, what is the difference?

Edler came in to this league a budding star and was loved, a few short years later he was a goat. Larsson came in sub par and is showing mediocre on a regular basis.

I fail to see how or why he is worth more than what i suggested based on that other than for the CDC favorite buzz word "potential"

Severson came in and stole his position and spot in the roster basically, not just stole it but took his lunch money doing it. It is up to Larsson to play himself back in, but he hasn;t been showing it lately if at all.

As for taking the wait and see with our prospects, after 4 seasons in the NHL/AHL without any significant increase in quality or production even I am ready to write off our prospects. The difference with your statement is that we don't have prospects that have spent that kind of quality time in either league as of yet, where as Larsson has and hasn't done a whole lot with it.

[qwijibo]

Well, Edler was 26 and 27 respectively yet this fan base was running him out of town.

With all due respect, what is the difference?

Edler came in to this league a budding star and was loved, a few short years later he was a goat. Larsson came in sub par and is showing mediocre on a regular basis.

I fail to see how or why he is worth more than what i suggested based on that other than for the CDC favorite buzz word "potential"

Severson came in and stole his position and spot in the roster basically, not just stole it but took his lunch money doing it. It is up to Larsson to play himself back in, but he hasn;t been showing it lately if at all.

As for taking the wait and see with our prospects, after 4 seasons in the NHL/AHL without any significant increase in quality or production even I am ready to write off our prospects. The difference with your statement is that we don't have prospects that have spent that kind of quality time in either league as of yet, where as Larsson has and hasn't done a whole lot with it.

The difference is a 22 year old that has yet to see consistent top 4 time compared to a 28 year old who has seen top pairing minutes for several seasons and has regressed over the past 3 seasons. How can you not differniate between the two? Tanev played 92 games total in his first 3 seasons and spent more time in the AHL or stapled to the bench than Larrson has so far. Clearly Vancouver should have given up on him and sold low right?

[ken kaniff]

Would take Jensen + Corrado. At least

He was 3rd overall and he's still young. NJ wont let him go for cheap

[Warhippy]

Would take Jensen + Corrado. At least

He was 3rd overall and he's still young. NJ wont let him go for cheap

4th overall actually and that's realistic, not sure why people seem to think otherwise.

See Cam barker

[Warhippy]

The difference is a 22 year old that has yet to see consistent top 4 time compared to a 28 year old who has seen top pairing minutes for several seasons and has regressed over the past 3 seasons. How can you not differniate between the two? Tanev played 92 games total in his first 3 seasons and spent more time in the AHL or stapled to the bench than Larrson has so far. Clearly Vancouver should have given up on him and sold low right?

I cannot believe I am actually going to argue this with you but here it goes.

Tanev was signed in 2010, and immediately made an impact being a solid defender. Making no mistakes in a serious playoff finals appearance and having a solid +/- and decent points in every other playoffs appearance he's been in. He entered the league and has been steady in every league he has been in, he is also under a decent contract and could be re-signed for a solid price based on this and is arguably a solid top 4 on 2/3rds of the teams in the league right now. All he does is shut players down well skate even better and is so solid defensively he has a better +/- ratio than he does PPG

Alex Edler was drafted in the 3rd round and was not expected to be the player he is now. Even in his absolute worst year in the league was still putting up .33 PPG and has a career average of .48 ppg. Multiple 40+ point seasons and even mroe 30+ point seasons. barring a lockout shortened season and last years team wide failure (not Edler wide but team wide failure) he's been a solid and very consistent defender. I don't see how you say he regressed over the past 3 seasons when it was 1 lockout season, 1 injury and suspension shortened season in which the whole team failed. He has a near .5 PPG playoff average and has been in Norris discussion twice. Also under solid contract. That's blind Heffy style hate, and this year he's arguably been one of our best defenders and is showing why he is so valuable to the team

Larsson, drafted 4th overall has not broken 20 points in any NA league, is hovering around or under .3 PPG career and while 22 has spent 4 years in NA being mediocre in regards to his draft position. Giving up a bottom 9 player and a young 4-6 defenseman plus a later pick for him is more than fair when you look at his body of work.

Tanev is currently twice the defenseman Larsson is while never being drafted. Edler is twice the defenseman Larsson will ever be at this current rate of progression and if Jersey wants to compete in the east they need to not get manhandled in the bottom 6 by larger teams (matthias) need a much better PK consistently (Hansen) and or need a solid 4-6 Defenseman which Corrado or Stanton can quite easily become as both have shown to be a shade more consistent in their respective careers than Larsson has in any league outside of Europe.

You cannot seriously claim that edler has regressed for 3 straight seasons, you cannot in any seriousness claim Larsson is comparable to Tanev and if you seriously think that he is worth mroe than what I suggested you really and I do mean REALLY need to explain why as his body of work to date over 4 years in NA shows otherwise and even Milbury or Snow would think twice about paying more than that.

[qwijibo]

I cannot believe I am actually going to argue this with you but here it goes.

Tanev was signed in 2010, and immediately made an impact being a solid defender. Making no mistakes in a serious playoff finals appearance and having a solid +/- and decent points in every other playoffs appearance he's been in. He entered the league and has been steady in every league he has been in, he is also under a decent contract and could be re-signed for a solid price based on this and is arguably a solid top 4 on 2/3rds of the teams in the league right now. All he does is shut players down well skate even better and is so solid defensively he has a better +/- ratio than he does PPG

Alex Edler was drafted in the 3rd round and was not expected to be the player he is now. Even in his absolute worst year in the league was still putting up .33 PPG and has a career average of .48 ppg. Multiple 40+ point seasons and even mroe 30+ point seasons. barring a lockout shortened season and last years team wide failure (not Edler wide but team wide failure) he's been a solid and very consistent defender. I don't see how you say he regressed over the past 3 seasons when it was 1 lockout season, 1 injury and suspension shortened season in which the whole team failed. He has a near .5 PPG playoff average and has been in Norris discussion twice. Also under solid contract. That's blind Heffy style hate, and this year he's arguably been one of our best defenders and is showing why he is so valuable to the team

Larsson, drafted 4th overall has not broken 20 points in any NA league, is hovering around or under .3 PPG career and while 22 has spent 4 years in NA being mediocre in regards to his draft position. Giving up a bottom 9 player and a young 4-6 defenseman plus a later pick for him is more than fair when you look at his body of work.

Tanev is currently twice the defenseman Larsson is while never being drafted. Edler is twice the defenseman Larsson will ever be at this current rate of progression and if Jersey wants to compete in the east they need to not get manhandled in the bottom 6 by larger teams (matthias) need a much better PK consistently (Hansen) and or need a solid 4-6 Defenseman which Corrado or Stanton can quite easily become as both have shown to be a shade more consistent in their respective careers than Larsson has in any league outside of Europe.

You cannot seriously claim that edler has regressed for 3 straight seasons, you cannot in any seriousness claim Larsson is comparable to Tanev and if you seriously think that he is worth mroe than what I suggested you really and I do mean REALLY need to explain why as his body of work to date over 4 years in NA shows otherwise and even Milbury or Snow would think twice about paying more than that.

There's no arguing with yiu. The homerism is just to strong to overcome. Enjoy continuing to overvalue Csnuck players and completely discount everyone else. It probably offsets the numerous posters who do the exact opposite.

[Warhippy]

There's no arguing with yiu. The homerism is just to strong to overcome. Enjoy continuing to overvalue Csnuck players and completely discount everyone else. It probably offsets the numerous posters who do the exact opposite.

It's "Canuck" firstly, and see. You cannot even begin to argue that I am wrong, you're literally just brushing it off without presenting any sort of argument or facts in your favour Q.

I have presented numerous times why this would be a viable deal for the Devils and you just brush it off completely. You're not even attempting to try and argue it. Just "you're wrong I am right" present an argument as to why it's feasible and you just walk away

Good day to you.

[Hunter.S-Kerouac]

Larssonny

I too would love to have Larsson why would Hansen waive to go there tho? Gaunce Corrado would be my offer. He's trending badly and I assume they will wait. They don't need to trade him when they can just resign him cheep and wait for him to get his groove back.

[Pimp C]

Jensen+Gaunce