Santorelli (+2nd Rounder) versus Vey

[JeremyCuddles]

First and foremost I have no clue where we are cap wise so bare with me here.

So the last couples days I've been thinking about Santorelli. And thinking about Vey. First, I love Vey and think he could be a really good middle 6 guy. Keyword "could". I feel like Santorelli brings what Vey currently brings with more defence and higher energy and tenacity.

I am still sour we didn't keep our 2nd and resign Santo. I thought he was a huge bright spot in what was a very forgettable season. And he can play pretty much anywhere in the line up. Was very solid in the faceoff dot and can kill penalties.

On the other hand we have a young guy in Vey who has history with our new Bench Boss. Who's had great success in the AHL and had, had, success on our PP with the Sedins. I say had cause the PP is going down the toilet. He can be had for cheap, largely cause he's no defensive juggernaut and is less then stellar Faceoff %.

Now I have no problems with Vey he's a great guy and looking forward to his future here. But would we be better off with Santo? I know they'll be people who will tell me to cry about it and move on but we do have Kassian versus Hodgson thread, that's a dead horse looking to be done with it's beating. Figured this is a relatively untouched subject. Santo 2nd Rounder > Vey? Of course we have the he could be bonkers good in a couple years though, but Santo is good already and is a solid defensive guy right now. No hoping required.

Discuss or troll me, whichever gives you the most pleasure. We have 4-5 days until the next game. Figured I'd try stir some chatter that isn't Hodgson or Kesler.

[cbdoubleu]

*waits 2 years... starts 'Vey vs. Santo Now?' thread.*

[TheGuardian_]

There have been tons of guys that performed above average in the AHL and just don't quite have it for the NHL.

AV, when he first got here promoted all kinds of guys because he thought they were good enough and in his system a fire hydrant would have been good.

I guess I will start to question the coach's ideas on somethings, so far he has been pretty much been in the background BUT when Vey gets #1 PP time without trying out anyone else, it is bound to discourage some of the other players.

Entitlement is a bltch and not exactly a team builder.

Great that the kid is getting his chance to show what he has and that he has already paid some dues in the minors but is he the guy that is going to turn the crank in the future?

IMO Fox could do what he does and maybe better.

Think of it, the Nucks already had something like 9 centers in their system and then traded for another, what sense does that make.

Hope the kid starts showing up on the scoresheet with other than being set up by the Sedins.

[higgyfan]

I think it's too early to make the comparison. Mike is 29 next month, while Vey is just a 23yr old rookie.

When Santo started his career, he was pretty bad defensively. He's really only had one 20g season (maybe he could have had 20g last year, but we'll never know although I do recall that he had fallen off before the injury).

Santo would be just another tweener vet on a team that is desperately trying to get younger. Vey is young and still developing his game. faceoffs and defensive play are learnable skills; scoring, not so much. I think Vey will become the better player.

You're right...it is nice to have a thread that doesn't include those other two.

[Warhippy]

almost 30 years old 1 20 goal season

23 years old, unknown player.

By this standard we should be comparing Horvats worth vs someone else as well because he hasn't been lighting it up?

Not trying to be rude but don't see the point of this exercise at all

[Tangelos]

Vey is as good and 6 yrs younger. /end thread

[I.Am.Ironman]

Could be seen as Santorelli plus Mckeown vs Vey. Could be a landslide in 4 years, we just don't no which side the landslide favours.

[BanTSN]

Moot point, as clearly the Canucks are paving the way for the Vey Train via cushy power play time and an overall enjoyable experience for him including his former coach. But looking at how Pearson and Toffoli are doing now, I think we can end the thinking that Vey somehow made them. The opposite is true.

[coryberg]

Moot point, as clearly the Canucks are paving the way for the Vey Train via cushy power play time and an overall enjoyable experience for him including his former coach. But looking at how Pearson and Toffoli are doing now, I think we can end the thinking that Vey somehow made them. The opposite is true.

seeing as vey outscored them both years they played together in the AHL. That is impossible. I'm sure they contributed to his success but he put up a ton of points without them as well. The same cant be said for them those 2.

As far as NHL comparisons?

-toffoli's rookie season he had 29 points. -Vey is on pace for 41 (better ppg as well)

-Pearson has 17 points in 42 career nhl games

-Vey has 14 in 36 career nhl games

Not sure anything has ended.

[Lui's Knob]

Vey hasn't been very good; quite soft and small. Other than scorin on the pp not sure his fit on the team ...

[Canucks Curse]

Toffoli ans Pearson are playing at even strength with carter, vey gets PP time where he has scored points otherwise he is in bottom 6

I was expecting a bit more from vey but at 23 he is doing well and projects as a 2C/2RW

[Canucks Curse]

Toffoli ans Pearson are playing at even strength with carter, vey gets PP time where he has scored points otherwise he is in bottom 6

I was expecting a bit more from vey but at 23 he is doing well and projects as a 2C/2RW

Also the kings core is superior to our so those young guys are more likely to look Better earlier on

[TOMapleLaughs]

seeing as vey outscored them both years they played together in the AHL. That is impossible. I'm sure they contributed to his success but he put up a ton of points without them as well. The same cant be said for them those 2.

As far as NHL comparisons?

-toffoli's rookie season he had 29 points. -Vey is on pace for 41 (better ppg as well)

-Pearson has 17 points in 42 career nhl games

-Vey has 14 in 36 career nhl games

Not sure anything has ended.

Never mind a cup, playoff numbers, or they're younger though. But it's more Toffoli carrying their Ahl line that Pearson or Vey. A notch above.

[Robongo]

There have been tons of guys that performed above average in the AHL and just don't quite have it for the NHL.

AV, when he first got here promoted all kinds of guys because he thought they were good enough and in his system a fire hydrant would have been good.

I guess I will start to question the coach's ideas on somethings, so far he has been pretty much been in the background BUT when Vey gets #1 PP time without trying out anyone else, it is bound to discourage some of the other players.

Entitlement is a bltch and not exactly a team builder.

Great that the kid is getting his chance to show what he has and that he has already paid some dues in the minors but is he the guy that is going to turn the crank in the future?

IMO Fox could do what he does and maybe better.

Think of it, the Nucks already had something like 9 centers in their system and then traded for another, what sense does that make.

Hope the kid starts showing up on the scoresheet with other than being set up by the Sedins.

Vey's a rookie , so I'm not worried about him at all. What I don't like though, is like you said, there's definite entitlement going on. It seems Willie's playing favourites because he sort of stuck his neck out before trading for Vey and gave him a ringing endorsement, and now is unwilling to hold him accountable. Sitting Horvat because Linden Vey is a better centre than winger is just wrong. Vey may be a better centre than winger, but Horvat is the better centre of the two and far more suited for a 4th line role.

As for the OP, I agree that Santo + the 2nd looks more appealing in the present, and perhaps may turn out to be better long term. But I think Vey has a lot of talent and the potential is definitely there. I think in a couple years he can turn out to be a real effective player, he just really needs to bulk up because the kid looks tiny and gets thrown around out there.

[CRAZY_4_NAZZY]

LOL

CDC asks and complains for more young players in the lineup

We get young players

Than CDC complains whether they are ready and whether we are better off with vets....jeez

Rookies aren't polished players, they are young and will need time to develop. It was an understanding that Vey will be pretty unpolished since this is his first full NHL season against the best. He needs time, he has shown glimpses of some good play and being a very solid guy. Just needs to refine some details. Sometimes I lose patience with him too but have to always remind myself, he is young and still has lots of time to figure things out.

[canucklehead44]

Vey has played great. Putting up second line numbers while playing in the bottom 6 and the point on the powerplay.

The Hansen Matthias Dorsett line kind of sucked. When Vey and Matthias swapped there was a huge bump in chemistry and overall offense of that line.

A centre who can dish the puck can make his wingers much more productive. When Kesler hit is peak and became a 40 goal scorer I remember Raymond's production dropping, and Samuelsson going from the triggerman to the passer. After that Kesler tried to be that 40 goal scorer again but failed, in the meantime destroying the production of his wingers.

Torts moved him to the wing with the twins (a selke finalist playing wing?) but again, his goal scoring ability isn't good enough to be a shoot first player. Santorelli was very productive on the second line, but when he went down and Kes got moved back to centre the team kind of collapsed.

Back to your question. In the short term, it is pretty close but I would prefer Santorelli. Long term, I think Vey will be a 2nd line player wheras Roland is unknown...hard to say. The Kesler trade was designed for both teams to win - Anaheim gets their elite shut down centre for a push, Vancouver gets a somewhat proven 2nd line playmaker, a young dman who can play in the bottom pairing, and a 1st rounder. A lot would have to go wrong either way for the trade to be a landslide.

[Mathew Barzal]

Both are the type of players that dissappear come playoff time. I'm not a fan of either TBH.

[Down by the River]

Both are the type of players that dissappear come playoff time. I'm not a fan of either TBH.

Vey has ten points in 12 AHL playoff games and put up 25 points if 15 games in his final playoff year in Medicine Hat. Sure, its not the NHL, but then again you have not seen Vey play an NHL playoff game.

Even Kyle Wellwood stepped up his intensity in the playoffs...

[higgyfan]

Vey has ten points in 12 AHL playoff games and put up 25 points if 15 games in his final playoff year in Medicine Hat. Sure, its not the NHL, but then again you have not seen Vey play an NHL playoff game.

Even Kyle Wellwood stepped up his intensity in the playoffs...

C'mon man. Don't let facts get in the way of other people's opionions eh?

[Gurn]

Part of the background on this is that Santoreli was a free agent signing so he "cost" just his wage while Vey cost a pick and a player. In a few years Vey will make good on the deal but right now Santoreli would be more help.