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Santorelli (+2nd Rounder) versus Vey


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I am comparing Cody's first full season with us to Linden Vey's current season (a rookie to a rookie).

A minor example would be Cody's game against Boston, where he elevated his game, scored a beautiful goal, and had a solid all around outing. It clearly indicated, if Cody could play consistently in that form, he would be a solid top 6 forward in the NHL.

Yeah but you're forgetting that was around the point that Cody had played 50 games for us, not 18 like Vey. Cody did come with a couple good games, and important goals but you might want to give Vey a chance before you start making inaccurate comparisons. Like I said there is a huge difference in having Higgins on your line instead of Dorsett and playing 6 minutes more a night.

Linden Vey is also on pace to equal in his first full year what took Cody 3 years to achieve.

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Vey is as good and 6 yrs younger. /end thread

I agree that on a pro-rated basis Vey is probably better than Santo. Santo will turn 29 in December and probably hit his peak last year whereas Vey should improve.

However, a slightly different question is "who would help the team more this year". In terms of on-ice performance Santorelli is probably slightly better right now, although it is close. He is being paid 1.5 million and probably would have stayed in Vancouver for 1.2 million if it had been offered in the early summer. That is more than Vey gets, but not enough more to be a significant issue.

The main thing is that the Canucks could have used that draft pick to get a very good prospect (as they would have taken Roland McKeown - the guy LA actually did take).

I like Vey but I would have been inclined to go with Santorelli/McKeown rather than Vey. Vey should improve over the next couple of years but he is going to have a hard time competing with Horvat, McCann, and Cassels for 3C and 4C positions from next year on (assuming that 1c and 2C go to Henrik and Bonino for the next couple of years, and maybe Richardson gets re-signed as well). And at RW he will up against Jensen, Virtanen, Kassian, Burrows, Hansen and Vrbata for the next couple of years.

Still, it is a close call and I hope Vey continues to improve to the point where the decision to pick up Vey looks good.

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Santo has 6 ES points in 223:49 ES ice time to Veys 6 ES points in 191:44 ice time.

Any more questions I can answer for you like Santo is about 6 years older than Vey, or that Santo has played 239 more NHL games than Vey, or that Santo makes more than double what Vey does?

Maybe you can answer a question for me. Who is more likely to become more than he currently is, 29 year old veteran Santo or 23 year old rookie Vey?

Santo has 1 PP point, 1 SH point, and 6 ES points.

You forgot to mention the fact that Santorelli has matched up against other teams top lines for Toronto this season, and has generated offence while doing this. Vey on the other hand plays sheltered minutes against easy competition. If we had another guy that could match up against other teams top line on our team, that could free up Bonino's line to play in more offensive situations.

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With the Leafs losing 9-2 against Nashville earlier tonight and looking like they may not make the playoffs again, maybe we should find a way to get Santorelli back without trading away too much. He was one of the only Plus players on the night +1 and had 1 assist!

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If you are thinking long term, pretty sure we're better off with Vey. Boy looks like he can score!

Santo was capable of playing 2knd line effectively, 1st line in a pinch last year. Vastly more mature game, even if missing a bit of the tantalizing puck skills Vey has. The term hard on the puck applied to Santorelli as much as anyone in recent memory. He chased the puck fore-checking, digging in the corners, in front of the net. He was almost as hard to knock off the puck as the Twins, which separated him from guys like Hansen who also play hard. He also had puck skills. Surprised me many times driving it to the net as well. Maybe it took almost getting washed from the league. But he evolved to play the game HARD to give himself that chance to stay in the league. At that level of intensity, which also applied to defensive zone play and killing penalties; Santorelli was going to help us more this year IMO.

But Vey received similar sorts of credit in the AHL. And he does have a better skill package. It is most likely just a matter of time before he finds the formula at this level.

I don't think we are better this year because of it. But I'm pretty happy how things unfolded.

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Could be. Vey was acquired June 28. Santorelli signed with the Leafs on July 3.

I'm assuming Santorelli had an offer on the table from the Canucks well before the acquisition of Vey, and had refused it, or at the very least was keeping it as a fall-back in case his agent couldn't come up with any other offers.

regards,

G.

I don't have a copy of an article for a source; but I recall reading that in the consultation period the week before D day (July 1, when anyone could sign) Santorelli was posturing for bigger money. Around $2.5 mill and for more years, three by memory. I might be off on the details, but he was taking a shot at bigger bucks and term

So the Canucks made this deal which was available in the days leading up to July 1. Then pursued a tooth and nail depth player in Dorsett instead of Santorelli already having Vey.

And then Santo took what he had to when those terms did not materialize. Hard to blame the guy for taking a crack?

Maybe the real question is are we better off with Dorsett than Santorelli? :huh:

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I don't have a copy of an article for a source; but I recall reading that in the consultation period the week before D day (July 1, when anyone could sign) Santorelli was posturing for bigger money. Around $2.5 mill and for more years, three by memory. I might be off on the details, but he was taking a shot at bigger bucks and term

So the Canucks made this deal which was available in the days leading up to July 1. Then pursued a tooth and nail depth player in Dorsett instead of Santorelli already having Vey.

And then Santo took what he had to when those terms did not materialize. Hard to blame the guy for taking a crack?

Maybe the real question is are we better off with Dorsett than Santorelli? :huh:

I never saw anything about the money offered, but Linden did say Santo was offered a one year deal but wanted a multi-year contract. I think he overestimated his worth. He had a good start to the season but then missed almost half the season. This just put another question mark on him.

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You forgot to mention the fact that Santorelli has matched up against other teams top lines for Toronto this season, and has generated offence while doing this. Vey on the other hand plays sheltered minutes against easy competition. If we had another guy that could match up against other teams top line on our team, that could free up Bonino's line to play in more offensive situations.

I haven't forgotten anything. I've simply been answering the questions asked. I see neither of you have bothered to answer the question I asked:

"Maybe you can answer a question for me. Who is more likely to become more than he currently is, 29 year old veteran Santo or 23 year old rookie Vey?"

Answer my question and then maybe I'll address your reply.

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I haven't forgotten anything. I've simply been answering the questions asked. I see neither of you have bothered to answer the question I asked:

"Maybe you can answer a question for me. Who is more likely to become more than he currently is, 29 year old veteran Santo or 23 year old rookie Vey?"

Answer my question and then maybe I'll address your reply.

Holy Baggins, your analysis has been stellar the last couple days.

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I haven't forgotten anything. I've simply been answering the questions asked. I see neither of you have bothered to answer the question I asked:

"Maybe you can answer a question for me. Who is more likely to become more than he currently is, 29 year old veteran Santo or 23 year old rookie Vey?"

Answer my question and then maybe I'll address your reply.

Vey is more likely to become more than what he currently is because what he currently is, is a pp specialist. Vey likely won't ever be as good of an all around forward as Santorelli.

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