Edm and NJ. Edm and PHX. Edm and NSH.

[Warhippy]

I don't like making proposals normally, mostly because nobody can EVER agree on the worth of another player or overvalue everyone or basically offer a first two former 1st round picks and a bag of doritos for a 4th line player.

But here's my attempt at saving Edm.

Edm sends Eberle and Nikitin with a 2015 5th round pick to NJ for Larsson and this years 1st. NJ needs the scoring help and Edm needs that help on D, Nikitin offsets the loss of Larsson in the 5-6 role and Eberle gives them the scoring help.

Edm sends Perron and this years 3rd to PHX for Brandon Gormley and a 2016 3rd. Gormley rumoured to be on the move and PHX seriously needs the help up front more than they need another D prospect to groom.

And the big one.

Edm sends Ryan Nugent Hopkins and Yakupov with a 2016 5th to Nashville for Seth Jones. Arguably, nashville has one of the deepest blue line prospect pools in the league, Weber will die in a Preds uniform and I'd have said Weber to Edm but I think he's got that NTC. Sending a top 6 center and a top 6 winger in Yak for less than $7 million on the cap gives Nashville something they've never had before, scoring depth with skill for the cost of Seth Jones.

Now I know this will get torn apart and probably rightfully so, but all I am going to ask is that you tell me WHY you think any of these 3 trades won't work. None of this entering the thread to just say no nonsense. if you have a modicum of actual hockey knowledge tell me why this won't work from a two team perspective please.

[Bigturk8]

The issue I see is that you're shipping away Edmontons 1 good cente. Does Draistl move to the top line in his draft year? Edmonton badly needs D, but they also need a center in a big way.

[Aladeen]

I think Edm could do 1 or 2 of these trades not all 3 and I think that Edm overpays in the third trade.

[Warhippy]

The issue I see is that you're shipping away Edmontons 1 good cente. Does Draistl move to the top line in his draft year? Edmonton badly needs D, but they also need a center in a big way.

I had thought about that as well, but as it stands Edm is in no way shape or form competing for anything more than MacDavid this year, that is evident as shown by their games against NJ and Chi recently. They will without question draft top 5 this year.

While giving away Yak and RNH they solidify their D core as they should have done years ago with players under 24 years old that can grow with Hall, Draisatl and one of Eichel, MacDavid, Barzal or even Hanifin if they are so inclined.

Forwards and centers can be procured from almost anywhere but a future D core of

Nurse-Jones

Gormley-Larsson

Schultz-? (Hanifin?)

Is almost scary to imagine

[Warhippy]

I think Edm could do 1 or 2 of these trades not all 3 and I think that Edm overpays in the third trade.

I'd seriously thought about it, but I think that Prying either Weber or Jones from Nash will cost a fortune and either of them would turn edm around within a season. It is either pay a premium right now or risk never having that true 1D.

[Bigturk8]

I had thought about that as well, but as it stands Edm is in no way shape or form competing for anything more than MacDavid this year, that is evident as shown by their games against NJ and Chi recently. They will without question draft top 5 this year.

While giving away Yak and RNH they solidify their D core as they should have done years ago with players under 24 years old that can grow with Hall, Draisatl and one of Eichel, MacDavid, Barzal or even Hanifin if they are so inclined.

Forwards and centers can be procured from almost anywhere but a future D core of

Nurse-Jones

Gormley-Larsson

Schultz-? (Hanifin?)

Is almost scary to imagine

Fair enough. This is probably one of the better stratagies for getting them competative again. It would be a tough pill for the fans to swallow as that puts them back another year, maybe 2 in the rebuild, but there's no quick fix at this point I suppose.

[Warhippy]

Fair enough. This is probably one of the better stratagies for getting them competative again. It would be a tough pill for the fans to swallow as that puts them back another year, maybe 2 in the rebuild, but there's no quick fix at this point I suppose.

Well let's be totally honest. Since 2006 NOTHING has gone right, lost Pronger and Peca and more. Haven't made the playoffs since, all of those 1st overall picks and their best year was...still drafting Nurse if you discount the Eberle draft.

All of that high powered offense of drafting the BPA has gotten them, to yet again last overall in the league. Even Buffalo with their intentional tanking moves are not as bad as an edmonton team that is trying.

Something has to give and even if all of those moves are made it still doesn't get them out of the bottom 3 and still a shot at one of the two future franchise centers. Giving up RNH and limping through the year still gets you what you need while securing your D core for the next decade

Again I am unsure if any of this is feasible but it couldn't hurt to try

[Bigturk8]

Well let's be totally honest. Since 2006 NOTHING has gone right, lost Pronger and Peca and more. Haven't made the playoffs since, all of those 1st overall picks and their best year was...still drafting Nurse if you discount the Eberle draft.

All of that high powered offense of drafting the BPA has gotten them, to yet again last overall in the league. Even Buffalo with their intentional tanking moves are not as bad as an edmonton team that is trying.

Something has to give and even if all of those moves are made it still doesn't get them out of the bottom 3 and still a shot at one of the two future franchise centers. Giving up RNH and limping through the year still gets you what you need while securing your D core for the next decade

Again I am unsure if any of this is feasible but it couldn't hurt to try

It's kind of rough thinking about all of their needs. I like that defense first mentality as it's difficult to build a good core of blueliners but I think that with all of those deals going through and after drafting a franchise center this team would still have serious holes.

The only reliable scoring winger left after all of this is Hall (do they have any good wingers in the farm anymore?). This means they have 3 top 6 wings to fill, some of which could be done with FA's but not all of them and I don't think they would have any trade chips left to fill the other spot(s). On top of that, I don't think Scrivens is a long term answer either, which begs the question; What are they going to do about goaltending?

I definitely think you're on to something with these deals but it's dawning on me as we talk about this, just how much work needs to be done to that club. It's staggering really.

[canuktravella]

i could see them trading 2 of the super kids but not three. rnh is their best center until draisatl gets bigger stronger.

eberle perron yakupov and schultz need to be traded for a good shutdown dman a center and a quality goalie

[Pears]

All are fairly reasonable. Although I think Edmonton overpays a little for Jones.

[Jägermeister]

Nugent-Hopkins isn't going anywhere. Edmonton needs better depth at centre, trading away their best one doesn't help them at all, now or in the future.

I also don't think Perron for Gormley really helps them either. Edmonton actually does have a few solid D prospects in the system now, several of which are more promising than Gormley is. Nurse, Marincin, and Klefbom are all just as promising or better. Like the rumors are suggesting, I see Perron going for a center.

I do think you could be on to something on the NJ deal though, especially if NJ is on the playoff bubble later on in the season.

[Warhippy]

It's kind of rough thinking about all of their needs. I like that defense first mentality as it's difficult to build a good core of blueliners but I think that with all of those deals going through and after drafting a franchise center this team would still have serious holes.

The only reliable scoring winger left after all of this is Hall (do they have any good wingers in the farm anymore?). This means they have 3 top 6 wings to fill, some of which could be done with FA's but not all of them and I don't think they would have any trade chips left to fill the other spot(s). On top of that, I don't think Scrivens is a long term answer either, which begs the question; What are they going to do about goaltending?

I definitely think you're on to something with these deals but it's dawning on me as we talk about this, just how much work needs to be done to that club. It's staggering really.

Just think like this.

people bemoan our drafting since 2004. We all know how bad it has been.

But look at edm since 2006, highest pick was Eberle since then. They've picked top 10 exclusively since the Eberle pick for the most part. this includes 2nd 3rd round picks as well.

And they've had 5 straight years of drafting top 8 or better including 3 consecutive 1st overalls.

And they've done NOTHING.

it's scary to consider really

[Warhippy]

i could see them trading 2 of the super kids but not three. rnh is their best center until draisatl gets bigger stronger.

eberle perron yakupov and schultz need to be traded for a good shutdown dman a center and a quality goalie

Nugent-Hopkins isn't going anywhere. Edmonton needs better depth at centre, trading away their best one doesn't help them at all, now or in the future.

I also don't think Perron for Gormley really helps them either. Edmonton actually does have a few solid D prospects in the system now, several of which are more promising than Gormley is. Nurse, Marincin, and Klefbom are all just as promising or better. Like the rumors are suggesting, I see Perron going for a center.

I do think you could be on to something on the NJ deal though, especially if NJ is on the playoff bubble later on in the season.

My thing about the Nuge is while he's got so much potential, he's just not getting what he needs in Edm. I know that Edm needs that center depth more than anything outside of blueliners.

But really While Klefbom and Marincin might round out the top 6 they're not helping now, Gormley trade might be a wash but Jones and Larsson bring something that Edm needs immediately. Young blue liners that can help keep pucks out of the net.

Unsure if it matters as Lowe et al will not allow anything like that to happen. But losing RNH and getting Eichel or MacDavid back in return wouldn't be a step back if that solidified their blue line for the next decade.

[Caboose]

I like the 1st deal but I think Edmonton gets bent over in the other 2.

[Warhippy]

I like the 1st deal but I think Edmonton gets bent over in the other 2.

Ya they do just a shade but I seriously considered all the factors including growth over cap hit (which is ridiculous when you think RNH has a $6 million contract already) I think that's fair value for a Seth Jones that they don't even need to give up so much as Edm needs to have that future 1D

The Perron/Gormley deal is fair I think just because the trading of 3rds is a wash and MacT just destroyed Perrons trade value by calling him out and flat out saying he's shopping him.

Normally I'd try not to overpay but value for value once it's all factored in...

[Nucks2477]

I like it when people who seem to know hockeystuff makes proposals - this could be an encouragement.