Koran should be read at Prince Charles' coronation says top bishop

[freebuddy]

Koran should be read at Prince Charles' coronation says top bishop: Critics attack proposal and accuse Church of England of 'losing confidence' in its own traditions

By Steve Doughty for the Daily Mail

23:18 28 Nov 2014, updated 02:30 29 Nov 2014

Lord Harries said gesture would be a creative act of accommodation

Speaking in House of Lords claimed it would help Muslims feel embraced

Critics attacked idea insisting 'British values stem from Christian heritage'

Prince Charless coronation service should be opened with a reading from the Koran, a senior Church of England bishop said yesterday +4

Prince Charless coronation service should be opened with a reading from the Koran, a senior Church of England bishop said yesterday

Prince Charless coronation service should be opened with a reading from the Koran, a senior Church of England bishop said yesterday.

The gesture would be a creative act of accommodation to make Muslims feel embraced by the nation, Lord Harries of Pentregarth said.

But critics attacked the idea, accusing the Church of losing confidence in its own institutions and traditions.

Lord Harries, a former Bishop of Oxford and a leading CofE liberal thinker, said he was sure Charless coronation would give scope to leaders of non-Christian religions to give their blessing to the new King.

The former Bishop of Oxford, who continues to serve as an assistant bishop in the diocese of Southwark, made the suggestion about the Koran during a House of Lords debate. He told peers the Church of England should take the lead in exercising its historic position in a hospitable way.

He said that at a civic service in Bristol Cathedral last year authorities had agreed to a reading of the opening passage of the Koran before the beginning of the Christian ritual. He said: It was a brilliant creative act of accommodation that made the Muslim high sheriff feel, as she said, warmly embraced but did not alienate the core congregation.

That principle of hospitality can and should be reflected in many public ceremonies, including the next coronation service.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2853638/Koran-read-Prince-Charles-coronation-says-bishop-Critics-attack-proposal-accuse-Church-England-losing-confidence-traditions.html

[Bill Sikes]

NO! England is not a muslim country, Muslims need to start embracing the customs and traditions of the countries they chose to move to rather than trying to change them into the countries they left in the first place.

MAYOR REFUSES TO REMOVE PORK FROM SCHOOL CANTEEN- MENU... EXPLAINS WHY

Muslim parents demanded the abolition of pork in all the school canteens of a Montreal suburb.

The mayor of the Montreal suburb of Dorval, has refused, and the town clerk sent a note to all parents to explain why...

“Muslims must understand that they have to adapt to Canada and Quebec, its customs, its traditions, its way of life, because that's where they chose to immigrate.

“They must understand that they have to integrate and learn to live in Quebec.
“They must understand that it is for them to change their lifestyle, not the Canadians who so generously welcomed them.

“They must understand that Canadians are neither racist nor xenophobic, they accepted many immigrants before Muslims (whereas the reverse is not true, in that Muslim states do not accept non-Muslim immigrants).

“That no more than other nations, Canadians are not willing to give up their identity, their culture.

“And if Canada is a land of welcome, it's not the Mayor of Dorval who welcomes foreigners, but the Canadian-Quebecois people as a whole.

“Finally, they must understand that in Canada (Quebec) with its Judeo-Christian roots, Christmas trees, churches and religious festivals, religion must remain in the private domain.

The municipality of Dorval was right to refuse any concessions to Islam and Sharia.

“For Muslims who disagree with secularism and do not feel comfortable in Canada, there are 57 beautiful Muslim countries in the world, most of them under-populated and ready to receive them with open halal arms in accordance with Shariah.
“If you left your country for Canada, and not for other Muslim countries, it is because you have considered that life is better in Canada than elsewhere.

“Ask yourself the question, just once, “Why is it better here in Canada than where you come from?”

“A canteen with pork is part of the answer.”

[Twilight Sparkle]

no. **** that. enough of rolling out the red carpet for these people. just them getting in to canada/us/uk, making a living and being successful at whatever they do, should make them feel "embraced" enough

[SabreFan1]

I can't believe a moron (I can't remember who) here on CDC said that the America was in the wrong when it won it's full independence from Britain.

He'll technically be your coronated part Muslim king Canada!

[Dral]

Wow at the level of xenophobia already present in this thread

NO! England is not a muslim country, Muslims need to start embracing the customs and traditions of the countries they chose to move to rather than trying to change them into the countries they left in the first place.

Cause reading a passage from the Koran suddenly turns the UK into a Muslim country eh?

For a VERY long time England wasn't a Christian country either, but I suppose you only count history as far back as is convenient

no. **** that. enough of rolling out the red carpet for these people. just them getting in to canada/us/uk, making a living and being successful at whatever they do, should make them feel "embraced" enough

Like how the Christians "embraced" the Native Americans?

[SabreFan1]

Wow at the level of xenophobia already present in this thread

You're a nicer guy than most. I made up my mind about Muslims well before Sept. 2001.

Unfortunately, a good portion of that religion has regressed into it's own version of the dark ages and is well underway with it's own modern day version of the Catholic Inquisitions. It's certainly not a huge majority of Muslims, but the same thing held true for Christians centuries ago.

It's a shame, for centuries after the Muslim religion was created, some of the world's greatest minds and artisans were in the Middle East.

Like it or not, that's the truth. That religion has regressed horribly over the centuries.

[TheMohammadman]

What I'm about to say is a little off topic but it is about some UK Muslims in general.

Why do some minority of the Muslims in the UK want the UK to adopt sharia law? I mean, its not a Muslim country. Heck, majority of the Muslim majority countries do not even have Sharia law.

If they expect sharia law in a Non-Muslim country than they are not thinking straight. They were not forced to come to the UK, why don't they go and imply Sharia law in Muslims countries first?

How do some people not feel "embraced" when they work and live in the UK.

Although this is just a minority of Muslims in the UK, this is just sad.

[Dral]

You're a nicer guy than most. I made up my mind about Muslims well before Sept. 2001.

Unfortunately, a good portion of that religion has regressed into it's own version of the dark ages and is well underway with it's own modern day version of the Catholic Inquisitions. It's certainly not a huge majority of Muslims, but the same thing held true for Christians centuries ago.

It's a shame, for centuries after the Muslim religion was created, some of the world's greatest minds and artisans were in the Middle East.

Like it or not, that's the truth. That religion has regressed horribly over the centuries.

A good portion of Christians have regressed as well and THAT fact still holds true today - honestly, if I had my way, all religion would be abolished.

There's no difference between Muslims or Christians, they both have a following that preach peace and a minority that preach hate (as is already apparent in this thread) but they also have a lot in common - they all preach ignorance.

[Mr. Ambien]

no. **** that. enough of rolling out the red carpet for these people. just them getting in to canada/us/uk, making a living and being successful at whatever they do, should make them feel "embraced" enough

Well said.

And it's not xenophobic in the slightest to expect foreigners to go by the laws and customs of the country they move to.

If that's too complicated for them, or in this case, Muslims, they can do a 180 and return to the craphole they came from.

[Dral]

Well said.

And it's not xenophobic in the slightest to expect foreigners to go by the laws and customs of the country they move to.

If that's too complicated for them, or in this case, Muslims, they can do a 180 and return to the craphole they came from.

I expected better from you.

What you and everyone else here seemed to have missed is that it's not Muslims who are suggesting this idea in the first place, so yeah the whole "If they don't like it, they can leave" attitude is pretty reactionary and closed minded....

It's a Christian making a suggestion trying to make immigrants feel welcome. I feel sorry for the state of humanity when a gesture like that is turned around in a bigoted out cry of hate towards Muslims for not conforming to Western ideals.

[Mr. Ambien]

I expected better from you.

What you and everyone else here seemed to have missed is that it's not Muslims who are suggesting this idea in the first place, so yeah the whole "If they don't like it, they can leave" attitude is pretty reactionary and closed minded....

It's a Christian making a suggestion trying to make immigrants feel welcome. I feel sorry for the state of humanity when a gesture like that is turned around in a bigoted out cry of hate towards Muslims for not conforming to Western ideals.

I'm just following the discussion -- I can't read the OP, and didn't realize until your post here that it was freebuddy who started the topic.

[Ghostsof1915]

Maybe it's time for a Black King too!

[nuck nit]

Charles and the Bishop.

I wish I could put them on 'ignore'.

[nuckin_futz]

I'm just following the discussion -- I can't read the OP, and didn't realize until your post here that it was freebuddy who started the topic.

50/50 chance it's freebuddy.

[riffraff]

Not my country....not really into monarchy....dont care but not surprised.

[CanuckRow]

[jdatb]

[BeefcakeBo]

Lmfao

[Neversummer]

Wait ... Charles is getting coronated ?? When was that announced?

[RUPERTKBD]

I can't believe a moron (I can't remember who) here on CDC said that the America was in the wrong when it won it's full independence from Britain.

He'll technically be your coronated part Muslim king Canada!

I must have missed that one. Did he give any reason for such a claim?