underrated Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 The Canucks are clearly off to a better start than many expected. As a result, without mortgaging much of the future it makes sense to make moves to bolster for a solid push this year. Our core of the Sedins, Hamhuis, Miller, etc probably only have a 2-3 years left as top players, so this is our window. Rather than big changes like many proposals. A few small deals may help bolster our team for a playoff run. Shawn Matthias to Dallas for Vernon Fiddler. Why? When it comes to the playoffs, having solid veterans who do all the little things right, along with solid faceoff winners are paramount. Fiddler fits this bill perfectly. Dallas would likely agree because of their bad start and Matthias is so much younger, but Fiddler gives us all the intangibles that we need. Matthias is not really a huge part of the young core going forward so losing him is alright. The value of veteran face off winning depth at center can never be overstated. Clearly our area of most depth at the NHL level is right wing. Vrbata, Burrows, Kassian, Hansen, Dorsett, Vey, Jensen. That's double the amount of natural right wingers we need. In contrast, our natural left wingers stop after Daniel Sedin and Higgins (and Sestito...who should be in the press box). We can play players in the third and fourth line left winger spot, but that is not ideal. Scanning the league's bottom feeders who are looking towards the future the players for 2nd/3rd line right wingers I find David Perron (Edm) and Antoine Roussel (Dal) as relatively young good additions. David Perron is the guy we should aim for. Linden Vey and a second round pick (2015) for David Perron. This deal is very similar value to what Perron was traded for last time (Perron, 3rd to Edm for Paajaarvi, 2nd rounder). It adds a draft pick for the building Oilers and a young roster player to replace Perron. The third small change needed to bolster our lineup is a veteran depth defenseman. Carolina has a glut of them and would likely be willing to move one. Guys like Liles, Hainsey, Harrison and Gleason could be available. Hopefully one of them would be available for a mid round pick, like a 4th rounder. Gleason and Liles have some puck moving ability so I'd aim for one of them. Just for depth purposes. Sedin - Sedin - Vrbata Higgins - Bonino - Burrows Perron - Horvat - Kassian Dorsett - Fiddler - Hansen Hamhuis (when healthy) - Bieksa Elder - Tanev Weber - Sbisa Stanton, Liles/Gleason Miller Lack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladeen Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Can I just say Frack no to the Oilers deal, I'm sorry that lost everything you had to say for me. Vey who is up and coming in the NHL for Perron who is a -13. Also Vey has the same amount of points in 3 less games than Perron, while Perron is getting first line minutes. Plus you want to give them a second rounder too? Obvious Oilers Fan, Oilers fan is obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Everyone just tosses Richardson and Matthias in the trash heap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Both are awful. We're trading a fairly young player with potential still in Matthias for a fourth line player who is 8 years older than Matthias who won't be playing for much longer. Just not very well thought-out at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 came in because i thought the thread title was "twerking roster" and i wanted to know what you were thinking. i'll leave now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazmanian Devil Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Axel Elder is my fav player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specter's Vengeance Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Both are awful. We're trading a fairly young player with potential still in Matthias for a fourth line player who is 8 years older than Matthias who won't be playing for much longer. Just not very well thought-out at all. Why is there no down vote option for stuff like this? I guess will have to do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Why is there no down vote option for stuff like this? I guess will have to do... So you're fine with trading a 26 year old for a 34 year old? I'm glad you're not GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 The Canucks are clearly off to a better start than many expected. As a result, without mortgaging much of the future it makes sense to make moves to bolster for a solid push this year. Our core of the Sedins, Hamhuis, Miller, etc probably only have a 2-3 years left as top players, so this is our window. Rather than big changes like many proposals. A few small deals may help bolster our team for a playoff run. Shawn Matthias to Dallas for Vernon Fiddler. Why? When it comes to the playoffs, having solid veterans who do all the little things right, along with solid faceoff winners are paramount. Fiddler fits this bill perfectly. Dallas would likely agree because of their bad start and Matthias is so much younger, but Fiddler gives us all the intangibles that we need. Matthias is not really a huge part of the young core going forward so losing him is alright. The value of veteran face off winning depth at center can never be overstated. Clearly our area of most depth at the NHL level is right wing. Vrbata, Burrows, Kassian, Hansen, Dorsett, Vey, Jensen. That's double the amount of natural right wingers we need. In contrast, our natural left wingers stop after Daniel Sedin and Higgins (and Sestito...who should be in the press box). We can play players in the third and fourth line left winger spot, but that is not ideal. Scanning the league's bottom feeders who are looking towards the future the players for 2nd/3rd line right wingers I find David Perron (Edm) and Antoine Roussel (Dal) as relatively young good additions. David Perron is the guy we should aim for. Linden Vey and a second round pick (2015) for David Perron. This deal is very similar value to what Perron was traded for last time (Perron, 3rd to Edm for Paajaarvi, 2nd rounder). It adds a draft pick for the building Oilers and a young roster player to replace Perron. The third small change needed to bolster our lineup is a veteran depth defenseman. Carolina has a glut of them and would likely be willing to move one. Guys like Liles, Hainsey, Harrison and Gleason could be available. Hopefully one of them would be available for a mid round pick, like a 4th rounder. Gleason and Liles have some puck moving ability so I'd aim for one of them. Just for depth purposes. Sedin - Sedin - Vrbata Higgins - Bonino - Burrows Perron - Horvat - Kassian Dorsett - Fiddler - Hansen Hamhuis (when healthy) - Bieksa Elder - Tanev Weber - Sbisa Stanton, Liles/Gleason Miller Lack At the risk of looking like I'm piling on, I also have issues with your proposals. 1.) An incentive for the Canucks to not make the deal is that Fiddler still has a year left on his contract. Assuming Horvat is the 3C next year, perhaps Fiddler could replace Richardson (upcoming UFA) next year as 4C, or the team could move up a guy from the farm who is perhaps a bit cheaper. Or, they could re-sign Richardson (the option which I would prefer). Fiddler might be a decent pick up for the Canucks, but not one for which I'd trade a roster player. Assuming the Canucks are playoff bound then they'd probably be better with Matthias and Fiddler rather than just Fiddler. I'd try to get him for a lower round pick if the Canucks were really that interested in some additional center depth. I also don't see the incentive for Dallas to do the first deal. If they keep Fiddler then they have a good bottom-6 center for one more year. Matthias is a UFA at the end of the season, so if he walks what have the Stars gained? To my knowledge they are not looking to dump contracts or gain cap space. If the Stars were really interested in Matthias then they could take the chance and wait until after the season is over and try to sign him as a UFA. 2.) The Vey deal is far too lop-sided in Edmonton's favour for future results. While Perron is perhaps the better player now, Vey has the potential to be at least as good (and perhaps better), and you're suggesting that the Canucks throw in a 2nd in the upcoming draft. I don't think so. An additional point against is that the Canucks would be picking up around $3 million in additional cap hit. I'm also thinking that while Perron may not be having a good season atm, he did score 28 goals last season and was just under 60 points. An argument could be made that the Oilers would say that Vey and a 2nd aren't enough. Either way, I don't care for the deal. 3.) I'm not sure that I'd like the team to trade for either Liles or Gleason. If the team is going to get some additional depth then they would be better served to pay a reasonable price and get a guy who will be around for a few years. regards, G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 fiddler for a 4th rounder and a c level prospect like archibald or freisen getter done benning trade out richardson and mattias at deadline for a decent defenseman we win more faceoffs with fiddler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimp C Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Can I just say Frack no to the Oilers deal, I'm sorry that lost everything you had to say for me. Vey who is up and coming in the NHL for Perron who is a -13. Also Vey has the same amount of points in 3 less games than Perron, while Perron is getting first line minutes. Plus you want to give them a second rounder too? Obvious Oilers Fan, Oilers fan is obvious. Perron is a much more valuable player than Vey going forward. Physical, agitates, solid defensively on a team that has no defensive forwards, and still pretty young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCNeil Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Starting to see Mathias more and more often in these threads. Even since Hansen's hat trick basically.Mathias does not have any trade value for a team like Dallas.Dallas has had a bad start this season. Trading for a player who is an UFA end of this season makes no sense at all. This trade makes them worse this year, for a player who can just leave at the end of the season........why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specter's Vengeance Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 So you're fine with trading a 26 year old for a 34 year old? I'm glad you're not GM. You'll have to forgive my lack of reading skills when I've been drinking. I read your comment again (now sober) and realized you weren't talking garbage about Matthias lol No Im not ok with Perron on this team just to reiterate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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