-Vintage Canuck- Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie LAK and Alec Martinez have agreed to terms on a six-year contract extension, believed to be AAV of $4M. Was to be UFA on July 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 4 mill geez how do the kings have any cap space Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladeen Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Damn was a pipe dream of mine for the Canucks to snag him in the Offseason. 4 mill is a deal for Martinez IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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apollo Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Wow... 4? That's a hell of a deal I think. Easily could have landed 5 or more on the open market Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robongo Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Kings are really screwed moving forward with their cap. Next year they have 9mil to sign 10 players and they have to resign Pearson and Toffoli, both of which will be getting sizeable raises. They have some god awful long term contracts in Brown(LOL what a hooorrible contract), Richards, Gaborik(sure good cap hit, but term is ridiculous and he's already 32 and declining). Carter's will start looking pretty bad in the next few years as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dasein Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 4 mill geez how do the kings have any cap space With the uncertainty surrounding Voynov, it would be stupid for the Kings to not sign Martinez IMO when they may end up having the cap space later on depending on the outcome of that situation. They can make the decision on who to move later if Voynov is not guilty. Kings are really screwed moving forward with their cap. Next year they have 9mil to sign 10 players and they have to resign Pearson and Toffoli, both of which will be getting sizeable raises. They have some god awful long term contracts in Brown(LOL what a hooorrible contract), Richards, Gaborik(sure good cap hit, but term is ridiculous and he's already 32 and declining). Carter's will start looking pretty bad in the next few years as well. Makes me wonder if they really are though. Teams that worry about cap seem to miss out on big players that help the team now - for instance CHI signed Hossa who took them over the hill and LAK have continued to acquire key pieces that helped them win two championships. CHI are now in cap trouble again with Toews and Kane signed to ridiculous contracts. However, I somehow have the feel that they will be okay and make sensible trades that let them compete despite losing a couple key pieces (like Sharp and Seabrook, for example). I think that the Kings are in an even better position than CHI and that they are going to be just fine. The reason that I say that? Nobody has a NTC on the Kings (unless Martinez got one in his new deal), and all of them have Cup rings. There will be teams that will take LA's old veterans on trades to add experience to their roster. Hell, I could even see us making one of those trades in the future when our core will consist of young guys like Bo, Jensen, Kass, McCann, Virtanen, Shinkaruk, Gaunce etc (whoever is still around and on the team). Toffoli and Pearson will likely sign bridge contracts. That buys them two more years. By then, if those two are the real deal (Toffoli seems to be - not sure about Pearson yet), then they will ship out an old body to make room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plum Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Scandella, Martinez, Muzzin get 4 million and Brodie gets 4.6. Tanev should be between there, I think he's better than the first 3 but not as good as Brodie or as the potential to be, so I'm guessing 4.1-2 million? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robongo Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 With the uncertainty surrounding Voynov, it would be stupid for the Kings to not sign Martinez IMO when they may end up having the cap space later on depending on the outcome of that situation. They can make the decision on who to move later if Voynov is not guilty. Makes me wonder if they really are though. Teams that worry about cap seem to miss out on big players that help the team now - for instance CHI signed Hossa who took them over the hill and LAK have continued to acquire key pieces that helped them win two championships. CHI are now in cap trouble again with Toews and Kane signed to ridiculous contracts. However, I somehow have the feel that they will be okay and make sensible trades that let them compete despite losing a couple key pieces (like Sharp and Seabrook, for example). I think that the Kings are in an even better position than CHI and that they are going to be just fine. The reason that I say that? Nobody has a NTC on the Kings (unless Martinez got one in his new deal), and all of them have Cup rings. There will be teams that will take LA's old veterans on trades to add experience to their roster. Hell, I could even see us making one of those trades in the future when our core will consist of young guys like Bo, Jensen, Kass, McCann, Virtanen, Shinkaruk, Gaunce etc (whoever is still around and on the team). Toffoli and Pearson will likely sign bridge contracts. That buys them two more years. By then, if those two are the real deal (Toffoli seems to be - not sure about Pearson yet), then they will ship out an old body to make room. I agree with you on Carter, but Richards has a NMC and I can't see any team in the league willing to gamble on Brown's contract, that deal is laughably bad. Also, Gaborik is almost 33 and injury prone as hell. If he continues to regress, who's going to take him when he's signed until 2022? You mentioned Hossa, but the Hossa deal is a rare occasion where it's actually worked and they'll be paying for it with the cap recapture penalty. I guess you're right, it's the price of Stanley Cups for them, but damn, IMO they're screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
250Integra Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 They've already won two cups in the last 3 years. Do you think they care about cap issues? They will probably unload a big contract or two during the off-season for prospects / picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 With the uncertainty surrounding Voynov, it would be stupid for the Kings to not sign Martinez IMO when they may end up having the cap space later on depending on the outcome of that situation. They can make the decision on who to move later if Voynov is not guilty. Makes me wonder if they really are though. Teams that worry about cap seem to miss out on big players that help the team now - for instance CHI signed Hossa who took them over the hill and LAK have continued to acquire key pieces that helped them win two championships. CHI are now in cap trouble again with Toews and Kane signed to ridiculous contracts. However, I somehow have the feel that they will be okay and make sensible trades that let them compete despite losing a couple key pieces (like Sharp and Seabrook, for example). I think that the Kings are in an even better position than CHI and that they are going to be just fine. The reason that I say that? Nobody has a NTC on the Kings (unless Martinez got one in his new deal), and all of them have Cup rings. There will be teams that will take LA's old veterans on trades to add experience to their roster. Hell, I could even see us making one of those trades in the future when our core will consist of young guys like Bo, Jensen, Kass, McCann, Virtanen, Shinkaruk, Gaunce etc (whoever is still around and on the team). Toffoli and Pearson will likely sign bridge contracts. That buys them two more years. By then, if those two are the real deal (Toffoli seems to be - not sure about Pearson yet), then they will ship out an old body to make room. Dead perfect asses! Scandella, Martinez, Muzzin get 4 million and Brodie gets 4.6. Tanev should be between there, I think he's better than the first 3 but not as good as Brodie or as the potential to be, so I'm guessing 4.1-2 million? People kiss Tanev's butt too much here. Yes he's a damn fine good young D. But Muzzin >> Tanev Martinez is > Tanev. Martinez was also UFA to be. Martinez even if = to Tanev was going to get more based on that! Martinez and Muzzin if they are not equal to Tanev defensively, they are close. And are 25 lbs and 30 lbs bigger respectively. And both have better offensive skills. Better ability to carry the puck up ice. Muzzin is playing top pairing on a cup champ FFS. People should be recognizing that Tanev unless we get him for 6 or 7 years, is probably not worth more than $3.2 to $3.4 mill. That is paying a fair price for a solid good D man without size or offensive upside. Even then, that should be our target for 6 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plum Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Dead perfect asses! People kiss Tanev's butt too much here. Yes he's a damn fine good young D. But Muzzin >> Tanev Martinez is > Tanev. Martinez was also UFA to be. Martinez even if = to Tanev was going to get more based on that! Martinez and Muzzin if they are not equal to Tanev defensively, they are close. And are 25 lbs and 30 lbs bigger respectively. And both have better offensive skills. Better ability to carry the puck up ice. Muzzin is playing top pairing on a cup champ FFS. People should be recognizing that Tanev unless we get him for 6 or 7 years, is probably not worth more than $3.2 to $3.4 mill. That is paying a fair price for a solid good D man without size or offensive upside. Even then, that should be our target for 6 years. Martinez probably doesn't quite belong there but Muzzin is playing beside one of the best defenceman in the NHL and Tanev plays with Edler who is playing good but not on a level Doughty is on. Tanev is a young top 4 defenceman with some potential to be better, which is what Muzzin. If you think Muzzin is a top-pairing defenceman you are crazy. Tanev just doesn't have a Stanley Cup or a defence partner like Doughty. Tanev is our best defensive defenceman and he will get paid 4 million atleast, he's taken 2 bridges one with Gillis and the other with Benning. He's cashing in and with the cap higher, he's not getting less than 4 million for a 4-5 year contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Martinez probably doesn't quite belong there but Muzzin is playing beside one of the best defenceman in the NHL and Tanev plays with Edler who is playing good but not on a level Doughty is on. Tanev is a young top 4 defenceman with some potential to be better, which is what Muzzin. If you think Muzzin is a top-pairing defenceman you are crazy. Tanev just doesn't have a Stanley Cup or a defence partner like Doughty. Tanev is our best defensive defenceman and he will get paid 4 million atleast, he's taken 2 bridges one with Gillis and the other with Benning. He's cashing in and with the cap higher, he's not getting less than 4 million for a 4-5 year contract. He's taken two bridge contracts where he got paid well ahead of other bridge contracts. LOL, see Martinez and Muzzin. We overpaid him if anything as far as bridge contracts go. Because we had no other options. Where teams like LA had depth & could play hardball. Those guys both play the same top 4 defensive calibre game as Tanev. But LA, with and without Doughty on the ice, are a lot better at getting the puck up ice from the back end than we are. And handling it in the offensive zone. Not unlike Calgary right now (who just does not have the size and firepower up front). Plus offer size. My assess is the extra size, puck handling & puck possession skills is what helps get their team better results. And why they have better market value. I am happy to disagree with you & still appreciate Tanev for the positives he does offer. I'm still an overwhelming fan of keeping him and signing him long term. Guess we'll just see what that # ends up being down the track... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tangelos Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Kings are really screwed moving forward with their cap. Next year they have 9mil to sign 10 players and they have to resign Pearson and Toffoli, both of which will be getting sizeable raises. They have some god awful long term contracts in Brown(LOL what a hooorrible contract), Richards, Gaborik(sure good cap hit, but term is ridiculous and he's already 32 and declining). Carter's will start looking pretty bad in the next few years as well. They have 2 cups in in 3 years so I doubt they care. Plus Brown is the kind of guy who will win in the post season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeyville88 Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 I didn't know Martinez was a $4 million player. Wowza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plum Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 He's taken two bridge contracts where he got paid well ahead of other bridge contracts. LOL, see Martinez and Muzzin. We overpaid him if anything as far as bridge contracts go. Because we had no other options. Where teams like LA had depth & could play hardball. Those guys both play the same top 4 defensive calibre game as Tanev. But LA, with and without Doughty on the ice, are a lot better at getting the puck up ice from the back end than we are. And handling it in the offensive zone. Not unlike Calgary right now (who just does not have the size and firepower up front). Plus offer size. My assess is the extra size, puck handling & puck possession skills is what helps get their team better results. And why they have better market value. I am happy to disagree with you & still appreciate Tanev for the positives he does offer. I'm still an overwhelming fan of keeping him and signing him long term. Guess we'll just see what that # ends up being down the track... LA didn't have alot of depth on defence that could come up and replace Muzzin or Martinez. 1.5 and 2 million isn't overpaying a top 4 defenceman on a bridge deal. Brodie got 2.1 million on his bridge. I wouldn't say that, Tanev has a good first pass just like Muzzin, Scandella and Martinez but they aren't puck-moving defencemen. I would say Tanev is a better skater than Muzzin, Muzzin is just bigger and more physical defensively but that doesn't meanTanev can't be just as effective with his stick. Tanev is actually pretty good with the puck IMO, he isn't the type of guy to rush the puck into the zone and score a goal on the rush but he can take it up the ice and dump it in or give a good strech pass. What do you think he goes for? I don't really see him getting less than 4 million, you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Scored the Cup winning goal and his agent has Lombardi by the kangaroos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimp C Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Dead perfect asses! People kiss Tanev's butt too much here. Yes he's a damn fine good young D. But Muzzin >> Tanev Martinez is > Tanev. Martinez was also UFA to be. Martinez even if = to Tanev was going to get more based on that! Martinez and Muzzin if they are not equal to Tanev defensively, they are close. And are 25 lbs and 30 lbs bigger respectively. And both have better offensive skills. Better ability to carry the puck up ice. Muzzin is playing top pairing on a cup champ FFS. People should be recognizing that Tanev unless we get him for 6 or 7 years, is probably not worth more than $3.2 to $3.4 mill. That is paying a fair price for a solid good D man without size or offensive upside. Even then, that should be our target for 6 years. Tanev is way better than either of Martinez or Muzzin. Defensively, neither are even close to him. Offensively, all 3 are on the same level, but I think if Tanev gets more opportunity, he will gets more points than them. Tanev is better at rushing the puck up the ice, and has a much better outlet pass than either of them. What he doesn't have is as good of a shot as either of them, but his shot is developing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatedkid666 Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Hopefully salary cap does its job and spreads out the leagues talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tambellini's Wrist Shot Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Tanev is way better than either of Martinez or Muzzin. Defensively, neither are even close to him. Offensively, all 3 are on the same level, but I think if Tanev gets more opportunity, he will gets more points than them. Tanev is better at rushing the puck up the ice, and has a much better outlet pass than either of them. What he doesn't have is as good of a shot as either of them, but his shot is developing. What? Muzzin and Martinez are quite a bit better offensively than Tanev. Stats don't lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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