J.I.A.H.N Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 What an interesting problem. 1.H. Sedin.........................4 more years (possible remaining length of their careers) 2.N.Bonino........................8 more years (possible remaining length of their careers) 3.B.Richardson.................4 more years (re-sign?) 4.S. Matthais.....................walks 5.B. Horvat........................15 years (possible remaining length of their careers) 6.L. Vey.............................12 years (possible remaining length of their careers) 7.B.Gaunce.......................14 years (possible remaining length of their careers) 8.J.McCann.......................16 years (possible remaining length of their careers) 9.C. Cassels......................14 years (possible remaining length of their careers) 10.D.Fox............................14 years (possible remaining length of their careers) With all the centers under contract for this year, as well as a pile of center prospects and the potential to fill all our spots and have extra centers for years to come. It makes me wonder what should we do with all our center assests With the up and coming draft, what will come available to Jim Benning when he steps to pick. If he goes for the BPA, it could be another Center. So for me it asks the question, do we need so many Centers, at this point. To me, this year opens up the possibility of moving pieces around and maybe aquiring a good defensive prospect from another team, who has more defensive propects. I am not against packaging up a roster player and a prospect, or moving a prospect.......really I am not sure what will be the right move, and am wondering what CDC sees as the answer...... Please note that the " years" is only a rough guestimate, and only for illistration purposes....and I do know that all prospects will not make it, but it does seem it is our strength Although early, what are your opinions on this subject........I don't know the league prospects as well as some of you do and am looking for discussion on this topic.....thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desiboynux4lifee******* Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 hows horvat signed for that long? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 We have a stack of centers who are capable of playing solid middle-6 minutes (2nd and 3rd liners), but no true first line center capable of scoring at a point-per-game pace in the NHL. Lets have a closer look at each of those prospects: Horvat - played solidly in the OHL, is proving himse.lf in the NHL but realistically will be a great 2nd liner (think Kesler, Bergeron) at best. The chance of him becoming a point per game 1st line center is pretty unlikely. Gaunce - playing very well in the AHL right now but is getting older, still unproven in the NHL and realistically is a 3rd line center or 2nd liner at the VERY best. Very little chance of him ever becoming a first line center and we know that, he'll probably end up a 3rd line center at best behind Horvat. Vey - scored around a point per game in the AHL, is putting up 0.5 PPG right now in the NHL and very well may become a first liner if we're lucky. The probability of him becoming an 80 point top liner is more likely than anyone else in this organization right now, but he still doesn't have as much chance of becoming that than say an elite center prospect. Cassels - he's looking good in the OHL right now but he's an overager and is putting up points on a pretty good line so wouldn't look too much into that until he shows he can play against men in the AHL and NHL. Much less likely that he becomes a first liner but we'll have to wait and see. McCann - producing well despite being pretty young in the OHL and going through so many diseases, plus he's a pretty highly touted prospect. McCann may actually end up becoming a first line center but like Cassels, we haven't seen much from him against men so we don't know. Late 1st rounder in a shallow draft, so his probability is pretty low too. I'm not even going to bother with Matthias or Dane Fox because they've got next to no chance of playing top-6 minutes at all. Basically, we have a lot of great future 2nd or 3rd line centers, but no true first line, elite talent in our prospect pool. McCann, Vey and Cassels may be our best bet but the probability of them becoming first liners in this league is pretty unlikely compared to some serious talented prospects like Bennett, Reinhart, Nylander, McDavid, Strome, Eichel etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRussianRocket. Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Can never have too many centres. Look at the Bruins Cup winning team, was basically composed of all centres that were able to play wing & centre. There really is no down side to having excess of centres and JB likes them a lot. As for the Nucks players listed, Vey is practically a winger. Has poor faceoff skills so that's that. Matthias is a solid left winger. Can play in the dot but his big body allows him to be just as effective on the wing. Gaunce, same as Matthias. Solid in the dot but big frame allows him to play wing. Fox is pretty much a winger as well. I don't really see a problem tbh. Nothing wrong with too many centre men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneezy Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 What an interesting problem. 1.H. Sedin.........................4 more years 2.N.Bonino........................8 more years 3.B.Richardson.................4 more years (resign?) 4.S. Matthais.....................walks 5.B. Horvat........................15 years 6.L. Vey.............................12 years 7.B.Gaunce.......................14 years 8.J.McCann.......................16 years 9.C. Cassels......................14 years 10.D.Fox............................14 years With all the centers under contract for this year, as well as a pile of center prospects and the potential to fill all our spots and have extra centers for years to come. It makes me wonder what should we do with all our center assests With the up and coming draft, what will come available to Jim Benning when he steps to pick. If he goes for the BPA, it could be another Center. So for me it asks the question, do we need so many Centers, at this point. To me, this year opens up the possibility of moving pieces around and maybe aquiring a good defensive prospect from another team, who has more defensive propects. I am not against packaging up a roster player and a prospect, or moving a prospect.......really I am not sure what will be the right move, and am wondering what CDC sees as the answer...... Please note that the " years" is only a rough guestimate, and only for illistration purposes....and I do know that all prospects will not make it, but it does seem it is our strength Although early, what are your opinions on this subject........I don't know the league prospects as well as some of you do and am looking for discussion on this topic.....thanks! Nothing wrong with a bunch of centers on the roster and in the system. They can always be converted to wingers. Why would Matthias walk? He's got size, speed and skill. And he's only 26 yo. These guys are hard to find. EDIT: What Russian Rocket ^^^ says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schneider.Man604 Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Nothing wrong with a bunch of centers on the roster and in the system. They can always be converted to wingers. Why would you Matthias walk? He's got size, speed and skill. And he's only 26 yo. These guys are hard to find. EDIT: What Russian Rocket ^^^ says. I agree, whats with all the Matthias hate? hes been a stud for us so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted December 4, 2014 Author Share Posted December 4, 2014 We have a stack of centers who are capable of playing solid middle-6 minutes (2nd and 3rd liners), but no true first line center capable of scoring at a point-per-game pace in the NHL. Lets have a closer look at each of those prospects: Horvat - played solidly in the OHL, is proving himse.lf in the NHL but realistically will be a great 2nd liner (think Kesler, Bergeron) at best. The chance of him becoming a point per game 1st line center is pretty unlikely. Gaunce - playing very well in the AHL right now but is getting older, still unproven in the NHL and realistically is a 3rd line center or 2nd liner at the VERY best. Very little chance of him ever becoming a first line center and we know that, he'll probably end up a 3rd line center at best behind Horvat. Vey - scored around a point per game in the AHL, is putting up 0.5 PPG right now in the NHL and very well may become a first liner if we're lucky. The probability of him becoming an 80 point top liner is more likely than anyone else in this organization right now, but he still doesn't have as much chance of becoming that than say an elite center prospect. Cassels - he's looking good in the OHL right now but he's an overager and is putting up points on a pretty good line so wouldn't look too much into that until he shows he can play against men in the AHL and NHL. Much less likely that he becomes a first liner but we'll have to wait and see. McCann - producing well despite being pretty young in the OHL and going through so many diseases, plus he's a pretty highly touted prospect. McCann may actually end up becoming a first line center but like Cassels, we haven't seen much from him against men so we don't know. Late 1st rounder in a shallow draft, so his probability is pretty low too. I'm not even going to bother with Matthias or Dane Fox because they've got next to no chance of playing top-6 minutes at all. Basically, we have a lot of great future 2nd or 3rd line centers, but no true first line, elite talent in our prospect pool. McCann, Vey and Cassels may be our best bet but the probability of them becoming first liners in this league is pretty unlikely compared to some serious talented prospects like Bennett, Reinhart, Nylander, McDavid, Strome, Eichel etc. Yes I agree, but where do we come up with defensemen prospect.....good comments all, can't argue with the idea, just want to hear from you guys.....I guess I am too greedy! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltt Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Well what a great problem we have stumbled upon. I count 6 centres in our lineup and our record is 17-7. Not too shabby! Much better than that period of time when Kes was down, Santorelli was down and Burrows was forced to be our #2 centreman. Oh my how times have changed. Seems like Vey and Matthias are doing quite fine on the wing and are a solid #2 choice for a faceoff if the C gets waived. Now how our faceoff win percentage is still hovering around 48% with all these centres - that my friends seems to be the problem that needs tackling here. Maybe Bo can teach the vets a thing or two about winning some draws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Barzal Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Nothing wrong with a bunch of centers on the roster and in the system. They can always be converted to wingers. Why would you Matthias walk? He's got size, speed and skill. And he's only 26 yo. These guys are hard to find. EDIT: What Russian Rocket ^^^ says. I agree, whats with all the Matthias hate? hes been a stud for us so far. I don't think anybody wants to kick Matthias to the curb, but if a rookie like McCann or Gaunce is rising up I'd want them to have the opportunity over Matthias as they've been grown into our system already and should be flush with the direction we're headed. We could see these kids as soon as next year, and I don't think Matthias's stock will ever be higher than it is right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted December 4, 2014 Author Share Posted December 4, 2014 No Hate for Matthias, I just think he wants to be a center and he is a UFA.this summer......I would be happy if he stays.....didn't mean to imply anything other.......sorry! On another note.....someones gonna have to leave! Ever tried to gear up in a over full dressingroom? Joke!....but no one is ready to retire, and these kids could start coming sooner than later! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter.S-Kerouac Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 We don't have any Centaurs though GMJB go out and get one I hear there hard to defend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supermanbieksa Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Why on earth would we let Matthias walk? Many people on here has so much confidence in Kassian saying "it takes longer to develop a power forward, look at Bertuzzi!" And you're not wrong. But I see equalient amount of people who says ditch Matthias. And if you haven't noticed the last 10 games Matthias has been a "real" power forward. I can't even imagine the rage on here if we let Matthias walk after this season and then continues on an other team racking up 0.75p/g for the next five years or so. And that wouldn't surprise me at all. Well, those are the centers we have within our system right now and it looks really bright, but as mentioned, there aren't really a number one center prospect in our pool. But they are still just prospects and could pan out better than expected or worse than expected. Perhaps we will be able to sign a top-1 center in a couple of years if noone of them is able to fill that role in the future. Every succesful team has a real number one center or two really good second line centers. If you look at recent stanley cup winners they all have one star centerman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Juice Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Much rather have Matthias..... Nothing against Richardson but within the next couple years, we've got a lot of C prospects that will probably make the jump and I can see Richardson being allowed to walk and have Matthias center the 4th line with H. Sedin, Bonino, Horvat, Vey, Matthias, Gaunce, Cassels, McCann all having roster spots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Just as has been said in any other thread about having so many centers, centers can also play wing. Not sure what else there is to discuss unless a deal comes along similar to the Mallet/Pedan deal where we can find help on D instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Well what a great problem we have stumbled upon. I count 6 centres in our lineup and our record is 17-7. Not too shabby! Much better than that period of time when Kes was down, Santorelli was down and Burrows was forced to be our #2 centreman. Oh my how times have changed. Seems like Vey and Matthias are doing quite fine on the wing and are a solid #2 choice for a faceoff if the C gets waived. Now how our faceoff win percentage is still hovering around 48% with all these centres - that my friends seems to be the problem that needs tackling here. Maybe Bo can teach the vets a thing or two about winning some draws. ^^ This. Would like to have that problem and Calgary's. Giordano & Brodie in particular plus Wideman and Russell are ripping it up from the back end! I'd like to start collecting a few defensive prizes over the next few drafts. Even at the expense of one of our young centres... They also have a couple of young exciting forwards in Monahan and Gaudreau. Nobody Jooris just scored a hatty as well. Whomever wins the race to fill out an exciting, balanced line up could be exciting for a long time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tragoedia Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 BREAKING NEWS: McCann signed for 16 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 For next season, Henrik should still be good for 60-80 points and the twins will remain our first liners. Bonino is proving he's a fantastic 2nd line center and if he doesn't get even better, he'll stay at 2C all season long. That leaves 3C and 4C. Horvat is showing he's a great 4th line center and IMO will take the 3rd line center role next season, capable of 15 minutes a night, and will hopefully put up 30-40 points. That leaves our 4th line center spot. Ideally, we re-sign one of Matthias or Richardson (I'd prefer Matthias considering his youth) to play the 4th line center spot cheaply for around 1M, and leave Gaunce as a fill-in to hopefully play around 20-30 games in the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoast_Ivey Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Brendan Morrison wasn't a true First Line center but armed with Naslund and Bertizzi .... Did quite nicely. I would love to see our team have two so called "first lines" with Vey and Horvat or McCann and Horvat but with Jensen, Virtanen, Kassian and other top six wingers will elevate their role. Morrisons game was elevated having those two wingers during the WCE days. I hope to see those guys all develop into top 6 forwards and have a 1(a) and 1( line. We have enough centers to have a highly efficient thrid line that can put puck in net too. I call having so many centers .... Cadillac Problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoast_Ivey Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Oops ... That's 1(a) and 1- B line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 To me, this year opens up the possibility of moving pieces around and maybe aquiring a good defensive prospect from another team, who has more defensive propects. Which brings us to our current crop of D: Edler going nowhere. Hamhuis injured and not going anywhere.$4.5m cap hit. Bieksa $4.6m cap hit. Sbisa an RFA-will want a raise as a top 4 d man making $2.175m now. Tanev an RFA-changed agents and looking for the payday.Makes $2 million now. Corrado an RFA-will get a raise as he is on an EL now. Stanton an RFA-$550k Weber an RFA-$850k Hammer,KB,Sbisa and Tanev can't hit the net or score to save their lives. Which top 4 d man is leaving us so we can get some much needed offensive help on the second pairing? Sbisa or No Waive Bieksa? Can the Canucks keep Hamhuis,Bieksa,Sbisa and pay Tanev what he is worth and add a second pairing offensive d man ? Salary has to go and so does one d man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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