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European Court Reverses Status of Hamas as Terrorist Organization


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Reading comprehension is not a strong suit here:

From the ruling:

They are saying the initial application used internet and media evidence, but the law requires you to submit facts that were examined by "reasonable competent authorities". So you have to submit the evidence first to a lower authority and then to the EU.

The first sentence of the ruling:

The Court annuls, on procedural grounds, the Council measures maintaining Hamas on the European list of terrorist organisations

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Reading comprehension is not a strong suit here:

From the ruling:

They are saying the initial application used internet and media evidence, but the law requires you to submit facts that were examined by "reasonable competent authorities". So you have to submit the evidence first to a lower authority and then to the EU.

The first sentence of the ruling:

The Court annuls, on procedural grounds, the Council measures maintaining Hamas on the European list of terrorist organisations

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Yes but it as of right now Hamas is off the list even if its not official..

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Well....I hate to once again mop the floor with your guys, but....

Hamas is still considered a terrorist organization. The courts did not rule on this issue. They took Hamas off the list for procedural reasons. It is still illegal to fund Hamas.

They found an error in the way the intial application against Hamas was brought. So they are forced to take Hamas off the list. The restrictions against Hamas carry on for 3 more months. During that time the application can be ammended, and if successful Hamas will be put back on the list permanently:

http://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2014-12/cp140178en.pdf

This ruling in no way represents a change in the way the EU views Hamas, which is as a terrorist organization.

ok you mopped the floor this time...

I am guilty of pulling a Freebuddy.

But you can't deny the fact support for Israel is slowly dwindling.

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ok you mopped the floor this time...

I am guilty of pulling a Freebuddy.

But you can't deny the fact support for Israel is slowly dwindling.

Hard to support a nation that use's terror as a weapon. The State of Israel was formed on the back of terrorist acts by terror groups such as the Irgun , the haganna and the stern gang .

Cue Taxi to tell us the jewish terrorists are actually freedom fighters

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ok you mopped the floor this time...

I am guilty of pulling a Freebuddy.

But you can't deny the fact support for Israel is slowly dwindling.

No.

Israel is on the verge of forming a new alliance with Greece, Cyprus, and several other Mediterranean countries that will throw the regional balance of power in their favor. The newly emerging Kurdish state will also be a strong supporter.

Many of Israel's enemies are in a state of total anarchy or are quickly sliding into that state.

I've been hearing for twenty years about how Israel is on the verge of losing all support. That's not happening. Israel is here to stay. Get over it.

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Friday night we'll be drinking Manischewitz

Going out to terrorize Goyim

Stomping shagitz, screwing shiksas

As long as we're home by Saturday morning

Cause hey, we're the Brews

Sporting anti-swastika tattoos

Oi Oi we're the boys

Orthodox, hesidic, O.G. Ois

Orthopedic, Dr. Martens good for

Waffle making, kicking through the shin

Reputation, gained through intimidation

Pacifism no longer tradition

Cause hey we're the Brews

Sporting anti-swastika tattoos

Oi Oi we're the Brews

The fairfax ghetto boys skinhead Hebrews

We got the might, psycho mashuganas

We can't lose a fight, as we are the chosen ones

Chutzpah driven, we battle then we feast

We celebrate, we'll separate our milkplates from our meat

We're the Brews

Sporting anti-swastika tattoos

Oi Oi we're the boys

Orthodox, hesidic, O.G. Ois

Mike Burkett who is a Jew

Ahhh '90's comedy punk.....good stuff;)

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Well....I hate to once again mop the floor with your guys, but....

Hamas is still considered a terrorist organization. The courts did not rule on this issue. They took Hamas off the list for procedural reasons. It is still illegal to fund Hamas.

They found an error in the way the intial application against Hamas was brought. So they are forced to take Hamas off the list. The restrictions against Hamas carry on for 3 more months. During that time the application can be ammended, and if successful Hamas will be put back on the list permanently:

http://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2014-12/cp140178en.pdf

This ruling in no way represents a change in the way the EU views Hamas, which is as a terrorist organization.

Since you were quoting me. Could you be so kind as to tell me who my guys are? I had no idea I was on a team.

No.

Israel is on the verge of forming a new alliance with Greece, Cyprus, and several other Mediterranean countries that will throw the regional balance of power in their favor. The newly emerging Kurdish state will also be a strong supporter.

Many of Israel's enemies are in a state of total anarchy or are quickly sliding into that state.

I've been hearing for twenty years about how Israel is on the verge of losing all support. That's not happening. Israel is here to stay. Get over it.

Greece, Cyprus and a non existent Kurdish state. For a guy who obviously knows his stuff you sometimes say some of the most outlandish things.

Don't kid yourself Greece and Cyprus do what they're told by the big boys in the EU.

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No.

Israel is on the verge of forming a new alliance with Greece, Cyprus, and several other Mediterranean countries that will throw the regional balance of power in their favor. The newly emerging Kurdish state will also be a strong supporter.

Many of Israel's enemies are in a state of total anarchy or are quickly sliding into that state.

I've been hearing for twenty years about how Israel is on the verge of losing all support. That's not happening. Israel is here to stay. Get over it.

The irish hate the irish and it's arab versus jew , you are cactus if you're kurdish ...... a TISM song from the 90's

The kurds have got their crap together , even the Irish have got their crap together but in the middle east still they still carry on like a bunch of F wits

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Lol wow the hypocracy in this thread is hilarious. Half of you didn't even read the article and blindly used it as an excuse to bash isreal. Then when you get completely told, you highlight the guy's typo and attack his keyboard skills.

Did a jewish guy take your girlfriends or something? Wow. I'm surprised the mods let this go on.

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Since you were quoting me. Could you be so kind as to tell me who my guys are? I had no idea I was on a team.

Greece, Cyprus and a non existent Kurdish state. For a guy who obviously knows his stuff you sometimes say some of the most outlandish things.

Don't kid yourself Greece and Cyprus do what they're told by the big boys in the EU.

The major players in the EU remain allied with Israel despite what a bunch of activists and university students think.

Trade between Israel and the EU has almost doubled in the last ten years. Expect it to increase exponentially once the Israeli Leviathan gas field goes on line.

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Ahhh '90's comedy punk.....good stuff;)

I read somewhere that this song was mikes thought on a lot of jews , their re-action to the holacaust , many were sick of taking crap and this is totally understandable.

But to treat others in the way they had been treated is Effed up.

No matter what Taxi states support for Israel is dwindling ,nations that once supported them with out question are now starting to speak out against the actions of the israeli govt .

The Israelis have tried to bully and coerce australian Govts in the past , to use the words of former foriegn minister bob carr the pro israel lobby had extraordinary influence upon our prime ministers office

Bob Carr's texts to Gillard reveal 'extraordinary' influence pro-Israel lobby had on former PM Date April 10, 2014

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Former foreign minister Bob Carr has published private text messages between himself and Julia Gillard to reveal the "extraordinary" level of influence the pro-Israel lobby had on the former prime minister's office.

In a remarkable disclosure of private conversations, Mr Carr said he chose to publish the text messages in his book – Diary of a Foreign Minister – without getting Ms Gillard's permission, because to do so was in the national interest.

He also describes Israel's former ambassador as "cunning" and reveals his fights with the self-described pro-Israel "falafel faction" in Labor's caucus that includes Jewish MPs Mark Dreyfus and Michael Danby.

"The book would not have been truthful with this disagreement between a prime minister and her foreign minister edited out," Mr Carr told Fairfax Media, explaining his decision to publish Ms Gillard's private text messages without consent, despite asking other officials for permission to publish correspondence.

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"The public should know how foreign policy gets made, especially when it appears the prime minister is being heavily lobbied by one interest group with a stake in Middle East policy."

Mr Danby has hit back at Mr Carr, accusing him of bigotry over his claims of the influence of a pro-Israel lobby.

"No lobby in Australia, I understand, has that kind of influence. It's laughable," he told ABC radio on Thursday.

"But I suppose, in the current climate, as [Attorney-General] George Brandis says, it's OK to be a bigot."

The Jewish MP, who is chairman of the Friends of Israel, also accused Mr Carr, a former premier of NSW, of showing ingratitude to the Labor Party.

"In retrospect, given all the division he caused ... it was a mistake," Mr Danby told ABC Radio on Thursday.

"Here's a bloke plucked from obscurity ... a former provincial premier who dumps on Gillard and the former Labor government ... the Labor Party supported him all his political life. How about a bit of decency?"

Mr Danby also likened Mr Carr to Jack Nicholson's character in the film As Good as it Gets.

"A lot of people are laughing at the book; they're not laughing with you Bob, they're laughing at you," Mr Danby said.

On Thursday, Mr Carr said Mr Danby's comments were "extraordinary".

"For years I was president of Labor Friends of Israel. I wrote a book, My Reading Life, in which I recommend the book of an Auschwitz survivor as the most important book of the last 100 years," he told ABC radio.

"My only point about Israel was that settlement activity ought to stop and that the Palestinian status, the increased status in the General Assembly, ought to be not blocked by Australia. So that's a position that the foreign minister of every European country would endorse and indeed doesn't fall too much short of the foreign policy position of [uS Secretary of State] John Kerry."

During his 18 months as foreign minister, Mr Carr orchestrated a significant shift in the Australian government's Middle East policy, swinging support behind Palestine at the United Nations. Standing up to Ms Gillard, who was staunchly pro-Israel, Mr Carr succeeded in forcing her to abandon her determination to oppose Palestine's attempts to gain observer status at the UN. Ms Gillard's leadership wobbled in the process.

Mr Carr's pro-Palestinian advocacy alienated many in Australia's Jewish community, and some within his own party; and the publishing of his personal diaries is likely to inflame both the Australian Israel lobby and senior Israeli officials.

Mr Carr's criticisms of Israel touch the highest levels of the Israeli government. Mr Carr describes Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman as "gloomy, taciturn", and the former Israeli ambassador Yuval Rotem as "the cunning Yuval".

In diary entries Mr Carr reveals just how deep his division with Ms Gillard went. He complains that Ms Gillard would not even let him criticise Israeli West Bank settlements due to her fear it would anger Australia's pro-Israel lobby – a reference to the Melbourne-based Australia/Israel & Jewish Affairs Council – which Mr Carr says had a direct line into the prime minister's office.

"So, we can't even 'express concern' without complaint," Mr Carr writes. "This lobby must fight every inch."

Reproducing private text messages, Mr Carr suggests Ms Gillard's support of Israel was so immovable that she would not even allow him to change Australia's vote on what he considered to be a minor UN motion.

"Julia – motion on Lebanon oil spill raises no Palestinian or Israel security issues. In that context I gave my commitment to Lebanon," Mr Carr writes in a text message.

"No reason has been given to me to change," Ms Gillard reportedly replies.

"Julia – not so simple," Mr Carr responds. "I as Foreign Minister gave my word. I was entitled to because it had nothing to do with Palestinian status or security of Israel."

Ms Gillard shuts him down in a final terse message: "Bob … my jurisdiction on UN resolutions isn't confined to ones on Palestine and Israel."

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Lol wow the hypocracy in this thread is hilarious. Half of you didn't even read the article and blindly used it as an excuse to bash isreal. Then when you get completely told, you highlight the guy's typo and attack his keyboard skills.

Did a jewish guy take your girlfriends or something? Wow. I'm surprised the mods let this go on.

I am honestly disappointed with myself... I thought the article(s) had correct info.

Should have done more research and looked for official statements.

But anyway haven't I heard this joke somewhere else?

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So, I told my son about this when I picked him up at work just a bit ago...his response?

I guess that makes them illegal terrorists.

Thankfully I don't listen to children when determining my position on geopoltitik.

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Thankfully I don't listen to children when determining my position on geopoltitik.

Maybe that's your problem - you should listen more - kids are the future.

Plus history is his favourite subject.

Thankfully I don't listen to people like yourself when determining what I think of my children's opinion.

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