Mike Vanderhoek Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Vancouver will make changes and integrate their youth, not making major changes to this core, most have movement clauses and the management likes the core moving forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I don't think the core wants to be moved. I also don't think management is going to try and force that to happen. Only way we see a move if it is because someone is willing or wanting to be moved. I doubt Burrows, Higgins, Hansen, Bieksa and others want to move from Vancouver willingly. Core has been together too long. Even if they did, which is again the unlikely of things to happen, we'd get scraps because they have complete control of where they go and as a result their already low value would be greatly diminished. I hope you realize that. First....the biggest problem with the canucks is the core has been together too long. They need an infusion of new core players to get that drive back. Guys like Bieksa, Burrows, Higgins, etc are too comfortable knowing it doesnt really matter how they play they will always have their spots. Higgins and Hansen dont have full ntc so they dont have full control over where or if they go. Bieksa and Burrows both do but if benning wants to go a different direction it wont matter. if the alternative is being supplanted by others on the depth chart....which is already starting to happen even with our limited depth.....then i expect all will be happy to leave. As for or returns on them in trades i think all could get decent assets in return. Probably not what cdc in its sketchy wisdom would expect though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Vanderhoek Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I don't believe that since the core players have been together for some time that the team needs to move out some pieces due to being together over several seasons. Detroit has had essentially the same core for just as long, they keep bringing in youth and developing complimentary players who are now pushing to take core roles. The team isn't going to move much if any of this core over the next couple of years, some players will be passed by younger ones on the depth chart. It is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Vancouver will make changes and integrate their youth, not making major changes to this core, most have movement clauses and the management likes the core moving forward. This is the thing i am most disappointed about actually. I thought the mantra was change is coming? Gillis changed the complimentary players without fixing the core too. This approach is no different and will be just as much a failure in terms of building a cup winner imo. This core is not what will get us a cup. Older slower bloated contract players without any youth in the core at all is not what the elite teams build around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I don't believe that since the core players have been together for some time that the team needs to move out some pieces due to being together over several seasons. Detroit has had essentially the same core for just as long, they keep bringing in youth and developing complimentary players who are now pushing to take core roles. The team isn't going to move much if any of this core over the next couple of years, some players will be passed by younger ones on the depth chart. It is what it is. I totally disagree. The core doesnt need change just because they have been together a long time. They need change because being together a long time has made them complacent and ineffective. A core that has had this many chances without getting back to the level of its heyday is in need if major changes. The canucks need younger faster and hungrier players driving the bus. That wont happen until the sedins retire, bieksa takes a big retirement contractor with Toronto, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I don't think the core wants to be moved. I also don't think management is going to try and force that to happen. Only way we see a move if it is because someone is willing or wanting to be moved. I doubt Burrows, Higgins, Hansen, Bieksa and others want to move from Vancouver willingly. Core has been together too long. Even if they did, which is again the unlikely of things to happen, we'd get scraps because they have complete control of where they go and as a result their already low value would be greatly diminished. I hope you realize that. As in Lord of the Rings Part 1, the fellowship is breaking. Luongo and Kesler are gone, leaving Burrows and Bieksa as the remaining "amigos". Both have clearly lost a step and should see the writing on the wall that the Canucks will be competitive but aren't going to be cup challengers until they're into their late 30s. Like with Garrison, they will waive when it comes down to it. I totally disagree. The core doesnt need change just because they have been together a long time. They need change because being together a long time has made them complacent and ineffective. A core that has had this many chances without getting back to the level of its heyday is in need if major changes. The canucks need younger faster and hungrier players driving the bus. That wont happen until the sedins retire, bieksa takes a big retirement contractor with Toronto, etc. Since the 2011 run, it's been clear that at times this team either just folds or mails it in far too many times -- last game was a PRIME case in point. Maybe it cannot be blamed on any specific players but it seems to run throughout the lineup. The undercurrent of coasting needs to be rooted out, not by trading all the remaining players from that period but enough of them that the youth and returned assets will pull the others up with them instead of the old crew dragging the new ones down. Benning is doing a great job of bringing in players who are just old enough to start getting their game on without still needing significant development. There are enough veterans still, and will be even after trading the likes of Higgins, Burrows, and Bieksa to keep the experience level up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 For the 50th time, why isn't this idiot banned already? Entertainment value? Despite not having discovered DVDs yet, at least being a "vcr" guy he's a step ahead of those who pontificate after watching their radios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canut Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 If there's a way to get Eriksson to Vancouver without giving up a pick from next years draft I say YES. No way we'd get Loui for just Higgins. Eriksson is more skilled and in his prime than any forward we have. It'd be costly I'm sure. Sedin's and Eriksson.... Super Swede line... be pretty sweet.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Eriksson is more skilled and in his prime than any forward we have. ... Loui E's prime was 5 years ago - do not want him, his contract, or his injury troubles, sorry : nothing against the guy, but he doesn't improve this club long-term.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Do you realize we don't actually have a future except for Virtanen? Horvatt is a 4th liner who wasn't good enough to go the WJR's and we're scared to call up any other draft picks. Does it take effort to be this stupid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Does it take effort to be this stupid? Great post. Yet another post by Warhippy belittling other members. Great job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Great post. Yet another post by Warhippy belittling other members. Great job. And yet another Ryan Strome post going after Warhippy for no apparent reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive66 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Koko, Krug, and Svedberg for Kassian, Lack, 2nd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Koko, Krug, and Svedberg for Kassian, Lack, 2nd Ummmmm...no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive66 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Ummmmm...no. Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 And yet another Ryan Strome post going after Warhippy for no apparent reason. Lol. Bodyguard pears. Posters shouldn't be calling other posters stupid, do you not agree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive66 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Lol. Bodyguard pears. Posters shouldn't be calling other posters stupid, do you not agree? Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Koko, Krug, and Svedberg for Kassian, Lack, 2nd Firstly this trade doesn't make sense for Boston, secondly why so much hate for Kassian? Some on cdc frustrate the hell out of me. Last year Kassian could do no wrong on these boards, now so many want to trade him. Kassian has struggled some but he has also been injured. This team needs more Kassian types, I'm not saying he is the next Neely but he is young has size and plays physical. Why do so many on cdc want to get smaller and softer? And why are so many on here so impatient with young players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sampy Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Lol. Bodyguard pears. Posters shouldn't be calling other posters stupid, do you not agree? Unless the poster is stupid or trolling which the guy warhippy went after was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Unless the poster is stupid or trolling which the guy warhippy went after was. Well sure that's your opinion however pears and hippy have made numerous of posts that are considered stupid in alot of people's opinions however they never were called stupid for it. Either way this off topic if you want to call people stupid and act childish feel free, it's a free Country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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