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It makes a mockery of everything Christmas originally stood for. I think it's sick and that guy should be forced to take it down; but of course now that Christmas is all about Santa Claus and commercialism probably nothing will be done about it.

I think forcing him to take it down makes a mockery of everything Christmas originally stood for.

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Fricking Christians who are always telling people how to live their lives, what to read, what to think/believe in, etc. Poland has "anti-blasphemy" laws as does Russia. Christians in both cuntries have used these laws to get heavy metal bands banned. Time for some good ol' fashioned church burnings like early 90s Norway?

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People who believe that it should be taken down like yourself know what freedom of speech is, correct?

Exactly. If someone doesn't like it, they should look away. Or protest peacefully. If the guy isn't breaking any laws, then just ignore it. If he is breaking laws, then the authorities should enforce them, especially if there are complaints.

As a City Planner I can tell you I have never heard of lot coverage restrictions or yard setbacks applying to a holiday display, nor do I think they would be enforceable.

Given what was in the OP article, it doesn't sound like it being a holiday display is the issue, just the size of the structure on the front yard. I can see there being limits on the size of structures you can build on your property, especially without a permit.

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Exactly. If someone doesn't like it, they should look away. Or protest peacefully. If the guy isn't breaking any laws, then just ignore it. If he is breaking laws, then the authorities should enforce them, especially if there are complaints.

Given what was in the OP article, it doesn't sound like it being a holiday display is the issue, just the size of the structure on the front yard. I can see there being limits on the size of structures you can build on your property, especially without a permit.

Yes there are generally limits in most City's on the size of structures (I write these rules for a living) generally municipalities don't enforce these rules for temporary holiday displays. It sounds to be zoning was used in this case to regulate morality which it should never ever be used for. If all other large holiday displays are enforced in this City to the same degree as the zombie one then I stand corrected.

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Yes there are generally limits in most City's on the size of structures (I write these rules for a living) generally municipalities don't enforce these rules for temporary holiday displays. It sounds to be zoning was used in this case to regulate morality which it should never ever be used for. If all other large holiday displays are enforced in this City to the same degree as the zombie one then I stand corrected.

I agree that they might not always be enforced, and it's perhaps selectively in this case. But I think if people complain, the rules should be enforced. If the zombie guy were to then complain about another 'normal' display that was equally against the ordnance and his complaint was ignored, he would get my sympathy.

Sure would be better if everyone could just get along, and the neighbors accept it for what it is. Not sure how much of an eyesore it might be though. I'm not going to bother looking at it... I'll choose to ignore the display :)

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It makes a mockery of everything Christmas originally stood for. I think it's sick and that guy should be forced to take it down; but of course now that Christmas is all about Santa Claus and commercialism probably nothing will be done about it.

In free countries just because something is offensive and blasphemous, it doesn't mean you're not allowed to display or say it.

You're allowed to be sickened by it as well, but you can't create laws based on that, or enforce them unfairly based on your feelings.

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Given what was in the OP article, it doesn't sound like it being a holiday display is the issue, just the size of the structure on the front yard. I can see there being limits on the size of structures you can build on your property, especially without a permit.

But if someone made a similar scene with "normal" decorations, would people be complaining or would they be talking about how cool and impressive it is?

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Fricking Christians who are always telling people how to live their lives, what to read, what to think/believe in, etc. Poland has "anti-blasphemy" laws as does Russia. Christians in both cuntries have used these laws to get heavy metal bands banned. Time for some good ol' fashioned church burnings like early 90s Norway?

Someone isn't overreacting at all... life is easier if you just relax a bit.

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To all of you who replied to my previous post, you are entitled to your opinion as I am entitled to mine. Personally I find the display very offensive and not even appropriate for halloween, nevermind Christmas. Maybe the guy shouldn't be forced to take it down, but how would you all feel if someone took something you thought was beautiful and turned it into something horrifying? Why do something like that when especially at this time of year it's most likely going to upset a lot of people? For attention? When is Hanukkah exactly? Would it be ok if the same guy hung a few flags with swastikas on them at that time? No, it wouldn't be acceptable at any time. But somehow this vulgar display of religious figures as zombies is? I hate it and frankly I think the guy should count himself lucky, he must live in a very tolerant neighborhood. There are lots of places in the states where such a thing would not go without a very negative reaction from people.

As for freedom of speech and whatnot, where exactly do you draw the line on that? We're all about political correctness and not offending people nowadays, right? I know for a fact we cannot say or do whatever we want in Canada or the US, why should this guy be able to offend christians, catholics, etc., etc., with his sick joke of a nativity scene? And right at Christmas time no less. I can not understand whatsoever why this is allowed to happen. I guess people with these particular religious beliefs aren't as important as others.

Rant over. Merry Christmas to you all.

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It makes a mockery of everything Christmas originally stood for. I think it's sick and that guy should be forced to take it down; but of course now that Christmas is all about Santa Claus and commercialism probably nothing will be done about it.

You might want to do a little research on the origin of many of the Christmas customs. It was originally a celebration of the winter solstice and the birth of the SUN. Christians chose to celebrate the birth of Jesus at this time and the two celebrations over time merged into one, Santa Claus seems to be a blending of St. Nicholas and the Germanic God Odin. Bladur (the shining one, God of light, purity and innocense) bears a resemblance to Jesus.

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To all of you who replied to my previous post, you are entitled to your opinion as I am entitled to mine. Personally I find the display very offensive and not even appropriate for halloween, nevermind Christmas. Maybe the guy shouldn't be forced to take it down, but how would you all feel if someone took something you thought was beautiful and turned it into something horrifying? Why do something like that when especially at this time of year it's most likely going to upset a lot of people? For attention? When is Hanukkah exactly? Would it be ok if the same guy hung a few flags with swastikas on them at that time? No, it wouldn't be acceptable at any time. But somehow this vulgar display of religious figures as zombies is? I hate it and frankly I think the guy should count himself lucky, he must live in a very tolerant neighborhood. There are lots of places in the states where such a thing would not go without a very negative reaction from people.

As for freedom of speech and whatnot, where exactly do you draw the line on that? We're all about political correctness and not offending people nowadays, right? I know for a fact we cannot say or do whatever we want in Canada or the US, why should this guy be able to offend christians, catholics, etc., etc., with his sick joke of a nativity scene? And right at Christmas time no less. I can not understand whatsoever why this is allowed to happen. I guess people with these particular religious beliefs aren't as important as others.

Rant over. Merry Christmas to you all.

Florida woman in Catholic Warrior t-shirt destroys Satanic Temples holiday display

Scott Kaufman

24 DEC 2014 AT 10:33 ET

Police have arrested a woman accused of destroying the Satanic Temples holiday display in the Florida Capitol, the Tallahassee Democrat reports.

The controversial display in which an angel can be seen descending into a pit of fire stood alongside both traditional Christian Nativity scenes and an 8-foot-tall Festivus pole made of Pabst Blue Ribbon cans until 11:30 a.m. on Tuesday, when Susan Hemeryck walked up to two Florida Department of Law Enforcement Capitol Police officers and told them that she was sorry, but I have to take this down.

Hemeryck, who was wearing a Catholic Warrior t-shirt at the time, told the Associated Press that its just wrong, when you remove baby Jesus two days before Christmas and put Satan in his place? I was there at the right time and the right moment and I needed to take a stand against Satan.

The Florida director of American Atheists, John Porgal, said the angels dead. Weve been tolerant of their [Nativity] display. We didnt like it, but we tolerated it. You see what they did to our display. He called the damaged display a sign of what the religious rights idea of tolerance is.

Hemerycks only regret is that she was unable to do further damage to the display before Capitol Police arrested her on criminal mischief charges.

I just yanked that little devil off the fishing line, she said. I should have just done a better job and finished it off for good.

Americans United for the Separation of Church and State issued a statement, saying [t]his act of mindless vandalism should be condemned by all decent people and all those who support true freedom of religion. Its important to remember that free speech in an open forum is for all groups, even those whose message some deem controversial or unpopular.

Our attorneys fought hard for our clients to win the right to display their diorama in the Capitol Rotunda, and we dont intend to buckle under to this type of senseless destruction.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/florida-woman-in-catholic-warrior-t-shirt-destroys-satanic-temples-holiday-display/

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Maybe the guy put a zombie Jesus out there because the conventional ones get stolen:

Baby Jesus stolen from nativity at state Capitol

http://www.thenewstribune.com/2014/12/24/3557957/baby-jesus-stolen-from-nativity.html

Baby Jesus doll stolen before Christmas

The doll is part of the Nativity scene in Greenfield

http://wwlp.com/2014/12/24/baby-jesus-doll-stolen-before-christmas/

Coral Gables nativity scene vandalized, baby Jesus stolen

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/deadline-miami/article4271694.html

Baby Jesus statue stolen from Basking Ridge nativity scene, police say

http://www.nj.com/somerset/index.ssf/2014/01/baby_jesus_statue_stolen_from_basking_ridge_nativity_scene_police_say.html

Baby Jesus, Angel stolen from Christmas nativity scene

http://wiat.com/2014/12/15/baby-jesus-angel-stolen-from-christmas-nativity-scene/

Baby Jesus stolen from NC churchs nativity scene

http://myfox8.com/2014/12/23/baby-jesus-stolen-from-nc-churchs-nativity-scene/

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To all of you who replied to my previous post, you are entitled to your opinion as I am entitled to mine. Personally I find the display very offensive and not even appropriate for halloween, nevermind Christmas. Maybe the guy shouldn't be forced to take it down, but how would you all feel if someone took something you thought was beautiful and turned it into something horrifying? Why do something like that when especially at this time of year it's most likely going to upset a lot of people? For attention? When is Hanukkah exactly? Would it be ok if the same guy hung a few flags with swastikas on them at that time? No, it wouldn't be acceptable at any time. But somehow this vulgar display of religious figures as zombies is? I hate it and frankly I think the guy should count himself lucky, he must live in a very tolerant neighborhood. There are lots of places in the states where such a thing would not go without a very negative reaction from people.

As for freedom of speech and whatnot, where exactly do you draw the line on that? We're all about political correctness and not offending people nowadays, right? I know for a fact we cannot say or do whatever we want in Canada or the US, why should this guy be able to offend christians, catholics, etc., etc., with his sick joke of a nativity scene? And right at Christmas time no less. I can not understand whatsoever why this is allowed to happen. I guess people with these particular religious beliefs aren't as important as others.

Rant over. Merry Christmas to you all.

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To all of you who replied to my previous post, you are entitled to your opinion as I am entitled to mine. Personally I find the display very offensive and not even appropriate for halloween, nevermind Christmas. Maybe the guy shouldn't be forced to take it down, but how would you all feel if someone took something you thought was beautiful and turned it into something horrifying? Why do something like that when especially at this time of year it's most likely going to upset a lot of people? For attention? When is Hanukkah exactly? Would it be ok if the same guy hung a few flags with swastikas on them at that time? No, it wouldn't be acceptable at any time. But somehow this vulgar display of religious figures as zombies is? I hate it and frankly I think the guy should count himself lucky, he must live in a very tolerant neighborhood. There are lots of places in the states where such a thing would not go without a very negative reaction from people.

As for freedom of speech and whatnot, where exactly do you draw the line on that? We're all about political correctness and not offending people nowadays, right? I know for a fact we cannot say or do whatever we want in Canada or the US, why should this guy be able to offend christians, catholics, etc., etc., with his sick joke of a nativity scene? And right at Christmas time no less. I can not understand whatsoever why this is allowed to happen. I guess people with these particular religious beliefs aren't as important as others.

Rant over. Merry Christmas to you all.

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