elvis15 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Nine people have been killed at three separate but linked crime scenes in Edmonton and Fort Saskatchewan, numerous sources say. Some of the victims are believed to be children. Police are currently on scene at a “multiple homicide scene” in north Edmonton and a Vietnamese restaurant in Fort Saskatchewan. The scene is also linked to another homicide scene in south Edmonton, where a woman in her 30s was found dead Monday night. The connection between the incidents has not been officially confirmed by police. Downtown Fort Saskatchewan was completely blocked off Tuesday morning, while the RCMP Major Crimes Unit assisted the Edmonton Police Service in an Edmonton-based homicide investigation. ... Laurie, an employee at Auntie Sue’s Restaurant across VN Express, said she heard a commotion outside the restaurant at 6:30 a.m. She saw a heavy police presence, including a SWAT team, a robot and a police dog. An officer yelled through a megaphone to someone inside the restaurant, telling them to “Come out with your hands up.” The woman didn’t see or hear anyone respond. Police then rammed a police vehicle through the front of the restaurant. Neither EPS or RCMP could be reached for comment on the evolving situation Tuesday morning, but said more information would be released as it became available. ... Police could not confirm whether the investigation in Fort Saskatchewan is related to a “multiple homicide scene” currently under investigation in north Edmonton. ... Police were called around 8:30 p.m. Monday night to a home in the Klaarvatten neighbourhood, near 180th Avenue and 83rd Street. Police are not saying much about the investigation, other than there is more than one death at the scene. Neighbours say a family of five lived in the two-storey home, a couple, an elderly woman, a boy around eight and an infant. ... Moe Assiff was going out on a midnight McDonald’s run when he noticed police outside a house across the street. In the past, Assiff had seen the couple who live at the home fighting, most recently in the summer. He stopped beside a white Toyota Scion parked outside the home. A man and a woman sat inside and they were “white as a ghost,” Assiff said. Assiff said he asked if everything was all right and the man looked at the house and then said, “No, it’s personal.” That car had been in the house’s driveway over the past couple of weeks, but he’d never seen it before that. It remains at the scene Around 1:30 a.m., Assiff saw the woman talking to a police officer. “She started screaming her head off,” Assiff said. “She let out the biggest scream I’ve ever heard in my life.” She and the man got in a police cruiser. ... At the third homicide scene, a woman in her late 30s was found dead at a residence near Haswell Court and 16th Avenue near Terwillegar Drive just before 7 p.m. Monday evening. Police said the homicide occurred in a “family setting” and that nobody was in custody. ... There's more related story in the link, but very little to say what's actually happened and how these scenes could be related, at least at this point. http://www.edmontonjournal.com/Live+Nine+dead+connected+scenes+north+south+Edmonton+Fort+Saskatchewan+sources/10690195/story.html Certainly a significant loss of life and likely unnecessary as well. Have to wonder with financial troubles and this suggested related outcome whether there was an illegal element involved to try and overcome the debt (or even before that), but that's just speculation on my part. EDIT: new info coming this afternoon: Brent Wittmeier @Wittmeier 38m Timeline in new release makes it appear police went to #yeg home to find suicidal man, returned 3.5hrs later to find 7 dead. #ejlive #bn Could also be that EPS were called back at midnight for a suicidal male, then found the scene. Unclear when the deaths occurred. #ejlive #bn Mariam Ibrahim @mariamdena 34m So many questions about this. What did police find at north side home the first time they responded at 8:30 last night? Brent Wittmeier @Wittmeier 24m Wow. Police left scene of suicidal man, then came back nearly four hours later to find 7 dead. #ejlive #bn There was "nothing suspicious" at 8:30 pm, then police received further information after midnite, Chief Rod Knecht says. #ejlive #bb Also, 8 dead plus the suspect to make 9: Ryan Cormier @el_cormier 53m South yeg home: One dead woman. North yeg home: 3 adult women, 2 adult men, 2 children. Ft. Sask restaurant: 1 dead male, suspect #ejlive Andrea Ross @_rossandrea 59m Police say the deceased male found at restaurant matched description of a suicidal male linked to homicides in north Edmonton. #ejlive #bn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted December 30, 2014 Author Share Posted December 30, 2014 Mariam Ibrahim @mariamdena 29m Breaking: Nine dead in connected scenes in north and south Edmonton, and Fort Saskatchewan: sources #yeg http://www.edmontonjournal.com/Live+Nine+dead+connected+scenes+north+south+Edmonton+Fort+Saskatchewan+sources/10690195/story.html … Follow @Wittmeier, @Otiena and @_rossandrea who are covering developing news of nine dead at multiple scenes in Edmonton and area. #yeg Ryan Cormier @el_cormier 6m Deaths of 9 people would be worst mass killing in Alberta since 1879, when Swift Runner killed/ate 9 family members near Ft. SK. #ejlive #bn Plenty of photos of investigators at the crime scenes on the three mentioned twitter accounts. Still not much detail to go on at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 There's more related story in the link, but very little to say what's actually happened and how these scenes could be related, at least at this point. http://www.edmontonjournal.com/Live+Nine+dead+connected+scenes+north+south+Edmonton+Fort+Saskatchewan+sources/10690195/story.html Certainly a significant loss of life and likely unnecessary as well. Have to wonder with financial troubles and this suggested related outcome whether there was an illegal element involved to try and overcome the debt (or even before that), but that's just speculation on my part. It's gotta be drug-related - and there''s rival competition in the industry. Women are more and more involved with this - better financial payoff and power. Hmm.. no... Elvis, you were right. Bankruptcy and lawsuits were cited as factors specifically by Brett Wittmeier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 As we were recently discussing rights to "bear arms". So you sigh, sadly shake your head, & sit down for a violent video game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted December 30, 2014 Author Share Posted December 30, 2014 It's gotta be drug-related - and there''s rival competition in the industry. Women are more and more involved with this - better financial payoff and power. Hmm.. no... Elvis, you were right. Bankruptcy and lawsuits were cited as factors specifically by Brett Wittmeier. Technically the article was right (I didn't post that part to try and keep the OP brief), I just read it... As we were recently discussing rights to "bear arms". So you sigh, sadly shake your head, & sit down for a violent video game. I don't remember seeing anything about the deaths being gun related. Still not much to go on at this point: Ryan Cormier @el_cormier 43m Sources have also told the Journal that the suspect is believed to be among the nine dead. #ejlive #bn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 ^Yet as always, violence begets violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyledude Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 I don't remember seeing anything about the deaths being gun related. It's okay, guns should be blamed for all deaths... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted December 30, 2014 Author Share Posted December 30, 2014 ^Yet as always, violence begets violence. That may be true, but isn't directly related to the right to bear arms (other than we should be more worried by seeming unwillingness to oppose limits to such rights). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted December 30, 2014 Author Share Posted December 30, 2014 Brent Wittmeier @Wittmeier 38m Timeline in new release makes it appear police went to #yeg home to find suicidal man, returned 3.5hrs later to find 7 dead. #ejlive #bn Could also be that EPS were called back at midnight for a suicidal male, then found the scene. Unclear when the deaths occurred. #ejlive #bn Mariam Ibrahim @mariamdena 34m So many questions about this. What did police find at north side home the first time they responded at 8:30 last night? Brent Wittmeier @Wittmeier 24m Wow. Police left scene of suicidal man, then came back nearly four hours later to find 7 dead. #ejlive #bn There was "nothing suspicious" at 8:30 pm, then police received further information after midnite, Chief Rod Knecht says. #ejlive #bb Sad if true. EDIT: Also, 8 dead plus the suspect to make 9: Ryan Cormier @el_cormier 53m South yeg home: One dead woman. North yeg home: 3 adult women, 2 adult men, 2 children. Ft. Sask restaurant: 1 dead male, suspect #ejlive Seven dead bodies were discovered at 12:23 a.m. Police got no answer at that home at 8:30 p.m., four hours before. #ejlive #bn Andrea Ross @_rossandrea 59m Police say the deceased male found at restaurant matched description of a suicidal male linked to homicides in north Edmonton. #ejlive #bn So the question is had the mass murder already happened when the police first arrived but there were no suspicious signs outside, or did the murders happen later? EDIT2: It seems the initial murder of the one woman in South Edmonton happened before the police visit to North Edmonton so I'd guess the police would have been too late. Ryan Cormier @el_cormier 40m The woman killed around 7 p.m. in a south Edmonton home (first killing) was fatally shot. #ejlive #bn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted December 30, 2014 Author Share Posted December 30, 2014 Here's the initial release on the timeline of police action: Scott Johnston @Scott630CHED 57m Here's EPS release describing visit to NE #yeg suicide male call at 8:30 only to return around 12 to find carnage http://www.edmontonpolice.ca/News/MediaReleases/mutliplehomicides.aspx … Southwest Division members responded to a weapon’s complaint around 6:52 p.m., Monday, Dec. 29, 2014, near Haswell Court and 16 Avenue. Upon arrival, members discovered a deceased middle-aged female. Later Monday evening, North Division patrol officers responded to a suspicious circumstances call at an address near 83 Street and 180 Avenue at approximately 8:30 p.m., returning to the same address at approximately midnight, following a secondary check-on-welfare call involving a suicidal male. At that time, officers were unable to locate the suicidal male in question, but upon entry, discovered the bodies of seven deceased individuals; three adult females, two adult males and two children, one female and one male. Homicide detectives, with the assistance of Ft. Saskatchewan RCMP, subsequently located a deceased male at a restaurant in that city, located approximately 40 kms northeast of Edmonton, who matched the description of the suicidal male allegedly associated with the second homicide scene at 83 Street and 180 Avenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Vanderhoek Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Wow this is absolutely horrible news to hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 I'm getting afraid. This is only 7 blocks from an immediate family member I have in North Edm. Has anyone heard, was this suspect in the military? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanGnome Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 As we were recently discussing rights to "bear arms". So you sigh, sadly shake your head, & sit down for a violent video game. This has NOTHING to do with "right to bear arms" or whether or not guns should be banned. These were the actions of a disturbed individual, and something terrible would have likely happened, whether it was performed with a gun, machete or baseball bat; the instrument used in this case is rather superfluous. If you fix people, and fix society, you reduce the potential for violent crime in any form from happening. Banning guns and turning a blind eye to behavior is tantamount to doing nothing, because nothing will result from it. That said, a lot of violent crimes perpetrated with guns often times are done so with illegally obtained and unregistered firearms. There's no amount of legislation, or regulation that can combat that; if you stem the flow of firearms by legal avenues it will only drive up the distribution via illegal means. All gun legislation and regulation does is penalize those who actually do play by the rules, just like anything else in life. People need to really give their heads a shake and get a grip on reality, and gain some perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdatb Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Prayers for the families of the lost ones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted December 31, 2014 Author Share Posted December 31, 2014 I agree that - apart from simple gun control measures - more can be gained from giving people help than banning or unnecessarily restricting guns. This is a prime example of how mental health contributed and could have been a solution to avoid this very unfortunate outcome. I'm getting afraid. This is only 7 blocks from an immediate family member I have in North Edm. Has anyone heard, was this suspect in the military? I don't remember seeing anything about any kind of military links or background. Check out the Twitter accounts I mentioned if you'd like more details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Guys, this is NO place for jokes. You realize that children are included as some of the deceased, right? I'm sorry, but it's just not appropriate in my view and serious topics should be treated as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugor Hill Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Looks like an extreme case of domestic violence. Father found out his son wasn't really his about 2 years ago. Separated from wife (apparently). 6 digits Gambling debts: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/edmonton-mass-murder-victims-identified-all-died-of-gunshot-wounds-1.2888437 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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