Selling1st/2nd overall (Proposal)

[Nuxfanabroad]

From Edm's pov. Was thinking about this, whilst reading Jan's(draft move up) post. Over on HFBoards, I believe a Philly fan proposed selling the farm to Edmonchuk, for their pick...

(As if Philly HASN'T been down this path before... ;^)

Other Philly fans went ballistic, & tried to take back their kitchen sink..they all squabbled.

The offer was: Couturier, Simmonds, Coburn, their 2015 1st, Morin( v large D prospect)

It made me very curious where the threshold would lie, determining appropriate value/rash overpayment.

What other team might make a crazy pitch?(there were Buffalo offers too) What would be an appropriate offer/destination for a McDavid(star of that hype)?

Remember what such a deal did for Quebec/Col, before denouncing the notion.

[Toews]

If I have the McDavid pick I am not trading it for a package of lesser pieces. Quantity for quality deals could be made pre-lockout due to the absence of the cap. So you can potentially build a stacked team and keep it together with the financial means to do so. With the current system the way it is now, this is no longer feasible. A big star the likes of Crosby, Tavares, Stamkos, Malkin etc can anchor an organization for 10-15 years. People keep bringing up the Lindros trade but had Lindros played in today's NHL he would have a much lesser risk of the kind of injuries that plagued his career. The reason the trade turned lopsided for the Flyers was Lindros' injuries. Its the reason why we never see young potential stars get traded except Seguin and you can look at the top scorers in the league to see if that was a wise move on Boston's part.

[shiznak]

If I were Edmonton, I would take that deal and run. Although, I'll probably ask for Sanheim, instead of Morin.

Then try and package Yakupov + one of their goaltenders to Washington for Alzner.

In the Oilers' case, they need quantity over quality. Adding three big physical players, would automatically make them tougher to play against the pacific teams.

Potential lineup for next year:

Hall - RNH - Simmonds

Perron/Purcell - Couturier - Eberle

Purcell - Draisaitl - Pouliot

Pitlick - Hendricks - Fraser

Coburn - Alzner

Ference - Schultz

Nikitin - Fayne

A nice mix of skills and sizes throughout the top 9.

[Nuxfanabroad]

^Both interesting insights..thanks gents. Toews, I like your post. However, there's always potential one of them 'lesser' pieces becomes a Forsberg/Gilmour/Sakic-like revelation.

One is playing odds, & we never really know.

Ottawa prob had brilliant offers for Daigle, shortly after the Lindros-fiasco. They'd prob LOVE a time machine & a do-over there.

[SabreFan1]

No team is going to give up McDavid or Eichel. Just look at last year; The Sabres wouldn't give up on the chance to get Reinhart and Florida refused to give up Ekblad. McDavid and Eichel are a head and shoulder above those 2.

Throw all that you want at those picks. Even though CDC will try and come up with a million different proposals about how to get the first pick, neither is going to be traded. As pointed out in the past, just look at what it took for Philly to get Lindros, and realize that Quebec was bargaining from a place of weakness since they had to get rid of him because he refused to play there.

[Nuxfanabroad]

^Apples & Oranges, SF1. Most prospects always report to US destinations. Players likely view Edm/Winn as a Stalin-gulag, & a cruel, unusual punishment.

It's the dirty, unmentioned elephant in the room. If you can get vets like Simmonds(committed LT at a good hit), it's extra appealing for Edm's mgt...

[Nuxfanabroad]

On Lindros, factor in that he arrived on the heels of an offensive decade, where stars like Yzer/Gretz & Mario held keys to their cities.

Everyone now knows you need a nucleus comprised of at least 3 top players to do damage.

[SabreFan1]

^Apples & Oranges, SF1. Most prospects always report to US destinations. Players likely view Edm/Winn as a Stalin-gulag, & a cruel, unusual punishment.

It's the dirty, unmentioned elephant in the room. If you can get vets like Simmonds(committed LT at a good hit), it's extra appealing for Edm's mgt...

I absolutely 100% agree with the bolded part of your post, but Edmonton has proven that they will shoot themselves in the foot at every opportunity that they get. If they got a Lindros-like package from a team, they would have the potential to be VERY scary. I just don't see it happening. MacT is a poor GM at best.

That leaves Carolina and the Sabres. Neither one of those 2 would give up McEichel.

The best that anybody can hope to trade for will be the third pick.

[SabreFan1]

On Lindros, factor in that he arrived on the heels of an offensive decade, where stars like Yzer/Gretz & Mario held keys to their cities.

Everyone now knows you need a nucleus comprised of at least 3 top players to do damage.

Offence firepower is key in today's NHL also. Just look at the Blackhawks and the Penguins. The only team that has figured out how to buck that trend is the Kings.

[Nuxfanabroad]

Yeah but supporting O like Gaborik will re-sign in such a locale, reasonably. Edm has to pay a 'homeliness' added fee, atop the previous hit.

[Nuxfanabroad]

You're the Wash GM(what's his name now?)..would you do this?

2015 1st

Carlsson

Kuznetsov

Orpik(vet cap-kaibosh)

Tom Wilson

Madison Bowey

for Edm 1st & Nikitin(again for cap/contract #s)

Do you take this, if Edm GM?

[SabreFan1]

You're the Wash GM(what's his name now?)..would you do this?

2015 1st

Carlsson

Kuznetsov

Orpik(vet cap-kaibosh)

Tom Wilson

Madison Bowey

for Edm 1st & Nikitin(again for cap/contract #s)

Do you take this, if Edm GM?

It depends on how good their farm system is. Any team that gives up a lot of present and future for a top 2 pick had better make sure that they can surround McDavid/Eichel with good young players. It would be pointless for any GM to gut their organization in order to get one player. No matter how good any one player is, he will need a solid supporting cast.

[Nuxfanabroad]

Its funny I was just posting/typing a similar notion, as your(supporting cast) suggestion. I fully agree.

This is why expansion outfits often FUBAR* top prospects. Daigle, Stefan, Falloon, etc...

[Warhippy]

If I am Edmonton with the 1st overall pick assuming Buffalo has the #2

I am trading down to #2 and demanding a stud D man like Myers or one of their big 2 on the blue line for the joy. Maybe throwing my 2nd in as well.

Then I am looking at trading any 2 of Eberle, Yakupov, RNH, Schultz for the 3rd overall.

Drafting a combination of 2nd and 3rd overall and coming out of this years draft with a combination of MacDavid/Eichel/Hanifin/Barzal or the like + Myers/Zadorov for the blue line and still shedding $6 million to $12 million in cap space doing it.

Ya. I'd do that instead. It washes away the stink of failure in the locker room and gives them exactly what they need where they need it. They will still surely stink for another season ro two while they put it all together but it gives them some significant upgrades exactly where they need it

Barring that if Philli is crazy enough to make that deal I would take that and run as it's probably along the bounds of what a team would realistically pay for that 1st overall this year.

[D-Money]

If I have the McDavid pick I am not trading it for a package of lesser pieces. Quantity for quality deals could be made pre-lockout due to the absence of the cap. So you can potentially build a stacked team and keep it together with the financial means to do so. With the current system the way it is now, this is no longer feasible. A big star the likes of Crosby, Tavares, Stamkos, Malkin etc can anchor an organization for 10-15 years. People keep bringing up the Lindros trade but had Lindros played in today's NHL he would have a much lesser risk of the kind of injuries that plagued his career. The reason the trade turned lopsided for the Flyers was Lindros' injuries. Its the reason why we never see young potential stars get traded except Seguin and you can look at the top scorers in the league to see if that was a wise move on Boston's part.

If Lindros' injuries didn't make the trade lopsided enough, then there was a young prospect in the deal named Peter Forsberg.

But yeah, Lindros was a beast before the injuries. Had he stayed healthy, Flyers probably win a cup or two, and are still happy with the trade in hindsight.

[D-Money]

If I were Edmonton, I would take that deal and run. Although, I'll probably ask for Sanheim, instead of Morin.

Then try and package Yakupov + one of their goaltenders to Washington for Alzner.

In the Oilers' case, they need quantity over quality. Adding three big physical players, would automatically make them tougher to play against the pacific teams.

Potential lineup for next year:

Hall - RNH - Simmonds

Perron/Purcell - Couturier - Eberle

Purcell - Draisaitl - Pouliot

Pitlick - Hendricks - Fraser

Coburn - Alzner

Ference - Schultz

Nikitin - Fayne

A nice mix of skills and sizes throughout the top 9.

That would be a good team, but not a contender in the West. Forwards could be something special, but that D is still terrible.

So they wouldn't win anything, but be good enough to not get anymore top-10 picks.

If I'm Edmonton, the only way I trade down is if I get #3 in return (and pick Hanifan), and a young stud. A possible scenario is Edmonton having #2, and trading it to Jersey for #3 and Larssen (and maybe another pick).

[YEGCanuck]

I think the price for this years' 1st and 2nd overall will be too steep for any team. That being said I would consider to go all in to obtain the 3rd pick in the 2015 draft. The American defenseman sounds like a stud and that exactly what we need. A couple of mid-tier roster players, a good prospect and our first round pick should start a conversation.

[Baer.]

The thought of McDavid in an oilers uniform makes me wanna cry. They should be FORCED to trade it if they are #1. I'd like to see him go for a team who hasn't had a permanent NHL superstar on their roster. If McDavid went to florida, they'd be on their way to a perrenial playoff spot, granted they find somebody to replace Luongo. Imagine a Huberdeau-McDavid-Bjugstad line years from now. Wowee!! They have drafted very well and have assets they may give up.

[elvis15]

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Remember what such a deal did for Quebec/Col, before denouncing the notion.

Also remember that Quebec was forced into a deal so they got the best possible return.

Maybe McDavid comes out and says he refuses to play for the Oilers, but I doubt it.

You still have to consider contract limits, salary cap, current roster players, etc. so such a deal would be very unlikely.

If I am Edmonton with the 1st overall pick assuming Buffalo has the #2

I am trading down to #2 and demanding a stud D man like Myers or one of their big 2 on the blue line for the joy. Maybe throwing my 2nd in as well.

Then I am looking at trading any 2 of Eberle, Yakupov, RNH, Schultz for the 3rd overall.

Drafting a combination of 2nd and 3rd overall and coming out of this years draft with a combination of MacDavid/Eichel/Hanifin/Barzal or the like + Myers/Zadorov for the blue line and still shedding $6 million to $12 million in cap space doing it.

Ya. I'd do that instead. It washes away the stink of failure in the locker room and gives them exactly what they need where they need it. They will still surely stink for another season ro two while they put it all together but it gives them some significant upgrades exactly where they need it

Barring that if Philli is crazy enough to make that deal I would take that and run as it's probably along the bounds of what a team would realistically pay for that 1st overall this year.

The first option of getting two picks in the top 3-5 along with a piece you really want for your roster now is more enticing to me if I were a GM as well. They need a bit of an overhaul but I don't know if they'll ever act on that with this current management group.

It's also easier from a contract and cap standpoint, so it becomes much more plausible.

[Warhippy]

Also remember that Quebec was forced into a deal so they got the best possible return.

Maybe McDavid comes out and says he refuses to play for the Oilers, but I doubt it.

You still have to consider contract limits, salary cap, current roster players, etc. so such a deal would be very unlikely.

The first option of getting two picks in the top 3-5 along with a piece you really want for your roster now is more enticing to me if I were a GM as well. They need a bit of an overhaul but I don't know if they'll ever act on that with this current management group.

It's also easier from a contract and cap standpoint, so it becomes much more plausible.

I don't know, I see the issues they have and the current climate in the locker room and while I appreciate the skill of the players involved and the paint he fans have endured I think if that is an option of drafting 2nd and 3rd 4th or 5th overall and securing a huge part of your roster doing it as well.

1 franchise center 1 franchise d man and another top line winger/center or top 2 D man for the loss of a few former high picks might just be worth it.