NEON.KNEE Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Really? Based on what? Three 20 goal seasons? We've a few guys who've done that. Cap? We've a few under friendly cap hits. The only difference is the NTC or modified NTC and some age Perrons best season to date is 57 points over 78 games and is good for a 40 point average. At a $3.8 million cap through next year By direct comparison Hansens best season to date is 39 points and is an average of 30+ points over a full season at $2.5 million per year Higgins best season to date is 53 points and is an average of 40 points per year at $2.5 million Burrows best season is 67 points and is better than 40 points per year currently $ $4.5 million Bieksa's best season is 44 points and is an average of near 30 points per season at $4.6 million Hamhuis best season is 38 points and is good for 30 points per season at $4.5 million When we take away the obvious Kassian etc (who is really the only rumoured Canuck to be on the block at the moment) these guys are all comparable to or better than Perron in regards to two way play some at better cap hits. It's all value for value really and knowing that Perron just net THAT kind of price from a cup contender. Hard to say these guys wouldn't net something close I disagree with your assessment of Perron's value and what our players will fetch on the open market. In my eyes Perron is a more desirable asset than any of the Canuck players you mentioned except for a healthy Hamhuis. And with that being said, I'm sure Pitss has looked at who has played with Crosby this season, who Perron has played with in the past and clearly see that Perron is just dying for some more talent to play with, as well as Crosby...COuld you honestly say, all Hansen needs to hit 30 goals is a playmaking centre? No, not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I disagree with your assessment of Perron's value and what our players will fetch on the open market. In my eyes Perron is a more desirable asset than any of the Canuck players you mentioned except for a healthy Hamhuis. And with that being said, I'm sure Pitss has looked at who has played with Crosby this season, who Perron has played with in the past and clearly see that Perron is just dying for some more talent to play with, as well as Crosby...COuld you honestly say, all Hansen needs to hit 30 goals is a playmaking centre? No, not even close. That's not what i am saying at all. Again, I am showing a direct counterpoint to what people say the most talked about names in trade threads are worth. Over what the market will bare. If Perron is worth a first AND a young center. Hard to believe that any of the names I've posted aren't worth at the very least as stand alones a second round pick or in some cases a first. Yet visiting trade threads you'd think they're all worthless or hold no value the way people talk about them. It is the same as our prospect group. A single C grade prospect on another team that has never played a game in the league is somehow worth the moon and stars, yet at the same time in the same breath people will claim Horvat has to be packaged to net a John Scott in a return (obviously exaggerating here) Just a counter point nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Would seem that the circumstances were that either Perron requested a trade or they didn't like what he said to the media. Judging by their management, it was likely the former. Perron is one of the few players that is the type of player they need more of, not less. Indeed, how does this improve their team? It obviously doesn't and won't for at least a couple years, and in the meantime makes them even worse. So what now -- rebuilt take-2, we start over with the same strategy we failed with over the past 6 years? Will be interested to hear my die-hard Edmonton fan cousins' take later today. They get a first round pick and near $4 mill in cap space. For a player who helped them, but helped them come second last last season and dead last this year. I do not disagree with Old News or yourself that the optics look bad. That it is obvious tanking. But Perron was not going to be an Oiler in 2017. Getting young assets for your old ones, particularly ones who no longer wanted to be there, is smelly as can be. But is still the smart thing to do. Now hopefully it becomes the deal that has MacTavish, and Lowe even more importantly, take it for the team! They clearly have NO track record of filling out a team, or developing young assets into ones that help the team win! It should be someone else who pulls the trigger on deals that fix the Oilers. The team has three current #1 picks, Draisaitl a recent #3, another bare min top 2 pick and a spare first rounder coming, Eberle, Nurse and more than $20 million in cap space. Someone (else) can turn that ship around... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeyfan90 Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Perron just scored his 1st goal as a Penguin, and assisted by no other than Crosby. You'll see a lot more of that. Great deal for the pens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltt Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 I can't believe Edmonton got a 2015 1st rounder. You're really surprised that the league's annual rebuilding joke is begun its loading up process of next year's draft? If I could have guessed what the Oilers would do this season it is load up on as many picks in 2015 as possible. Losers will lose. Anyway, not a big Perron fan and I think Pittsburgh overpaid but it's not like the Oilers will do anything with their high end picks so I guess the Pens win in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefCon1 Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 The tanking has officially begun for Edmonton. Pittsburgh just got even better. The tanking has officially "begun"? They were always tanking, it started 2 decades ago when Gretzky was traded. I think Edmonton will never be a playoff team, nevermind a cup contending team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 That's not what i am saying at all. Again, I am showing a direct counterpoint to what people say the most talked about names in trade threads are worth. Over what the market will bare. If Perron is worth a first AND a young center. Hard to believe that any of the names I've posted aren't worth at the very least as stand alones a second round pick or in some cases a first. Yet visiting trade threads you'd think they're all worthless or hold no value the way people talk about them. It is the same as our prospect group. A single C grade prospect on another team that has never played a game in the league is somehow worth the moon and stars, yet at the same time in the same breath people will claim Horvat has to be packaged to net a John Scott in a return (obviously exaggerating here) Just a counter point nothing more.Are you actually contributing to this thread? You keep complaining about what some people perceive Canuck players values to be, what the hell does that have to do with DP being traded to Pittsburgh? Try staying on topic for a change. Tell us how do you feel about the trade? I'm surprised Edmonton got a 1st, you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 You're really surprised that the league's annual rebuilding joke is begun its loading up process of next year's draft? If I could have guessed what the Oilers would do this season it is load up on as many picks in 2015 as possible. Losers will lose. Anyway, not a big Perron fan and I think Pittsburgh overpaid but it's not like the Oilers will do anything with their high end picks so I guess the Pens win in that regard. I'm not surprised about the perpetual rebuild, I'm surprised Pittsburgh gave up a 1st for Perron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 They get a first round pick and near $4 mill in cap space. My question was, how does it improve their team. The answer is that it does not, certainly not right now. Their drafting history past the top 10 is questionable at best, and cap space for them is useless except to overpay for average talent to get anyone to go there and reach the cap floor. They need QUALITY PLAYERS, and all this does is cut them down by one and give them a lotto ticket for one that might be in a couple years -- the exact opposite of what they need to improve, let alone compete. Their team is not better by any measure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87Crosby Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 My question was, how does it improve their team. The answer is that it does not, certainly not right now. Their drafting history past the top 10 is questionable at best, and cap space for them is useless except to overpay for average talent to get anyone to go there and reach the cap floor. They need QUALITY PLAYERS, and all this does is cut them down by one and give them a lotto ticket for one that might be in a couple years -- the exact opposite of what they need to improve, let alone compete. Their team is not better by any measure. This year is not to compete for the oilers. We are in January and they're better off selling instead of improving the team in anyway. Even though this is a deep draft, their is a boatload of difference between McEichel and a pick in the 6-10 range. If you think about it the Oilers have been having throwaway seasons for the last 6 years and they got a 1st-Round pick out of Paajarvi. They need to load up on prospects and trade Nuge and one of Yakupov/Eberle and build around Hall/McDavid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monteeun Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 . klinkhammer is decent and works hard perron wanted out good riddance hope pens choke in first round again oil can add another decent defense prospect at draft with the pick get rid of eberle for a 2/3 dman and your laughing id trade schulz for a bag of doritos and a bus ticket to the ahl LOL Jesus, do some separation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 This year is not to compete for the oilers. We are in January and they're better off selling instead of improving the team in anyway. For the third time -- how does removing a top-6 guy from the lineup for a bottom-6 player and a token they don't know how to use improve the team? This year is not to compete for the oilers. We are in January and they're better off selling instead of improving the team in anyway. Even though this is a deep draft, their is a boatload of difference between McEichel and a pick in the 6-10 range. If you think about it the Oilers have been having throwaway seasons for the last 6 years and they got a 1st-Round pick out of Paajarvi. They need to load up on prospects and trade Nuge and one of Yakupov/Eberle and build around Hall/McDavid. How is that NOT what they've been doing the past half-dozen years? Oh sure that may have been their intent, but their drafting has been simply horrible past the top of the first round. What good is a late-first trinket to a mismanaged team that doesn't know how to use it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monteeun Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 They need to start going after some already established nhlers. Or improve your drafting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltt Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 I'm not surprised about the perpetual rebuild, I'm surprised Pittsburgh gave up a 1st for Perron. Well good sir I misread your post then because I do agree with what you wrote here. I too am surprised a little Pittsburgh gave up that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 You lose credibility immediately the moment you start any conversation with lol. Now, as per my post, had you followed through the thread you'd note that I state very clearly that people dump on our players and claim they are worthless. Stat for stat, cap for cap I posted players who i thought could/should be moved as a counterpoint to this trade, nothing more. People constantly saying that our players are worthless never ever take in to account the current market nor what other GMs will pay or what other GMs will react to without thinking. You lose all credibility immediately by suggesting that any of the forwards you listed are even remotely as valuable as Perron. Our players are not worthless. But they are not worth as much as Perron at this stage of the game. Not even close. Career stats mean nothing. Current skill, ability, and production as well as a reasonable expectation of which way the player is trending shows just how off base your comparison to Perron is for guys like Higgins, Burrows, and Hansen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Great trade for Pittsburgh. They don't need a 1st round pick and the ensuing prospect that is potentially years away from reaching the NHL (if ever) nearly as mmuch as they need a still young 25 goal scorer to play in their top 6. Klinkhammer does not make this deal any better for the Oilers or any worse for the Pens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANUCK-EXPRESS Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Oilers tanking once again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tangerines Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 The Oilers are the joke of the league. Its so shameful that after all the first rounders they have had over the years went there to die. It pisses me off that they get some much young talent and they still suck. I hope they don't get McDavid or Eichel because they will probably just ruin their development. Benning is doing it right. Our draft position isn't as good as theirs, but at least we bring our young guns into a winning environment/culture, and develop them properly. Even good players that go there ie Perron end up sucking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baer. Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Tangerines, that was exactly what I was thinking. . klinkhammer is decent and works hard perron wanted out good riddance hope pens choke in first round again oil can add another decent defense prospect at draft with the pick get rid of eberle for a 2/3 dman and your laughing id trade schulz for a bag of doritos and a bus ticket to the ahl . imagine if everybody posted like you nobody would be able to understand anything and its makes your point look less credible just some things to consider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 The tanking has officially "begun"? They were always tanking, it started 2 decades ago when Gretzky was traded. I think Edmonton will never be a playoff team, nevermind a cup contending team. Um...you do know that it was closer to 3 decades ago that Gretzky was traded, right? And that they won another cup AFTER he was traded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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