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Pretty much this. I'm Asian myself and I can clarify that white and black women are almost guaranteed to say "no"... unless the woman's digging for gold you happen to have plenty of it.

You know, that's funny that you mention that. I have a friend in the States that is white, but is VERY Asianized, and he claims that at least in Pittsburgh, black women are into Asian men because they don't like their own men (for whatever reason it may be). There is an apparent perception that Asian men aren't into THEM.

Asians have a tendency to be more family-oriented and more goal-oriented and are seen as safer choices. Interesting.

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That or people are career-oriented and that they see marriage as slowing them down. There's plenty of engaged people that just don't go past that.

I don't believe that 'instant gratification' is enough of a reason not to marry. People are doing open relationships more often too, which touch on what you say about commitment.

To my knowledge, much of my contemporaries are walking towards that long-term goal of marriage. It's probably just more delayed.

Another reason for decreased marriage is increased schooling. Instead of jumping into a career right after high school, further education is needed (at least for many careers). This delays the stability of a person, which may prolongue their interest in finding a person or commitment to others as he/she is still figuring him/herself out.

Some people don't want to be married or in a romantic relationship at all, they like the freedom that being single brings and don't want to lose that freedom for something they might not even want. I definitely don't fall in this category, but there definitely are others that do.

Some mental illnesses, especially schizophrenia, makes it hard to be in relationships as well, although I'm not sure this would contribute to fewer marriages than previous years.

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Correlation, not causation. Watching more porn doesn't lead to less marriages, but rather those who are less likely to get married are also more likely to be unpopular with women. Mind you I don't have stats or evidence for this but it sounds plausible, at least.

Of course this doesn't factor in people who simply don't want to get married and the playboys who just jump from woman to woman without getting into a serious relationship.

Or a third variable is acting upon these...or the two are completely irrelevant.

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To some extent, what he's saying is logical.

Very few relationships, in past and present, both observable and imagined, have involved shorter men with taller women and obese people with much slimmer counterparts, in comparison with what the 'average' relationship involves.

You have titles like 'curvy' that confuse people. There may be lots of men that like curvy women - and some slimmer women preferring 'teddy bear men' - but the differences in shape can't seem to be too extreme. Once the shape of a person, both height and width wise, other factors are more heavily reliant upon (i.e. money, looks, personality, etc).

I understand what he's trying to say, I just don't think he used the best examples. Obesity is largely considered undesirable by either sex, so naturally obese people have smaller mating pools that overlap a fair bit.

Short dudes are considered unattractive by the vast majority of women. However there are a lot of guys who prefer short women, and most men aren't nearly as hung up on height as women are, so short girls have much larger dating pools and don't have to "settle" (for lack of a better term) for short guys. Short men just really got the short end of the stick.

Thats why I don't think they're really comparable.

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I don't really inderstand your post. Asian guys are screwed in North America? In what way?

Asians have a negative reputation in big cities in Canada/US. This is easily testable - and has been demonstrated over and over.

In really urban places like Vancouver, SF, NYC, Toronto, being Asian is not necessarily something women avoid but it certainly doesn't help it (for whatever reason).

A lot of Asians are passive by nature - and they get edged out in favor of more dominant personalities, usually demonstrated in other races.

It's not that people are racist inherently - it's more of a relational thing really, but women just don't find Asians all that interesting, trend wise.

This is a HUGE generalization and it's not meant to be accurate to each couple. If you were to gather out the number of couples out in downtown Vancouver, you're going to get a mixture of couples.

It is unlikely to see an Asian man dating a white woman (or any other race) BY CONTRAST of an Asian female dating outside her own race. It's not to say that Asians don't date Asians, but for an Asian male, it is undoubtedly lopsided against them, statistically speaking.

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I understand what he's trying to say, I just don't think he used the best examples. Obesity is largely considered undesirable by either sex, so naturally obese people have smaller mating pools that overlap a fair bit.

Short dudes are considered unattractive by the vast majority of women. However there are a lot of guys who prefer short women, and most men aren't nearly as hung up on height as women are, so short girls have much larger dating pools and don't have to "settle" (for lack of a better term) for short guys. Short men just really got the short end of the stick.

Thats why I don't think they're really comparable.

What about short "fat" girls? or MASSIVELY fat tall girls?

They might get "action" at one point in time, but the body shape, in relation to whatever other things that she does in her life, could heavily influence her popularity with men.

Of course, interesting personality ("confidence") alone will stir up interest regardless of how you look. It's just that people will favor another that has more. They don't 'hate' you, but they prefer something else.

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I understand what he's trying to say, I just don't think he used the best examples. Obesity is largely considered undesirable by either sex, so naturally obese people have smaller mating pools that overlap a fair bit.

Short dudes are considered unattractive by the vast majority of women. However there are a lot of guys who prefer short women, and most men aren't nearly as hung up on height as women are, so short girls have much larger dating pools and don't have to "settle" (for lack of a better term) for short guys. Short men just really got the short end of the stick.

Thats why I don't think they're really comparable.

I tried to compare the two using the physical characteristics that seem to be the most important for that sex: height for men and weight for women. Weight for women is more important than height for women, and vice versa for men. This is why I compared short guys (generally least attractive to women) to obese women (generally least attractive to men). Obviously it isn't perfect, but I think it works for comparing the general attractability of each to the other sex.

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Its not about who does and doesn't watch porn. I meant that those who don't have a woman in their life are more likely to watch MORE porn. Simple really, if a man has a girlfriend/wife, then they're more likely to just have sex with them instead of porn.

Why can't we have both? A little background noise :towel:

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What about short "fat" girls? or MASSIVELY fat tall girls?

They might get "action" at one point in time, but the body shape, in relation to whatever other things that she does in her life, could heavily influence her popularity with men.

Of course, interesting personality ("confidence") alone will stir up interest regardless of how you look. It's just that people will favor another that has more. They don't 'hate' you, but they prefer something else.

I get what you're saying man. I just think its not accurate to compare a trait not desirable in either gender with one thats a massive barrier for one gender and a complete non issue for the other.

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I get what you're saying man. I just think its not accurate to compare a trait not desirable in either gender with one thats a massive barrier for one gender and a complete non issue for the other.

I think you're right, give or take some other variables. There's going to be really tall men that prefer taller women. After all, taller women do look pretty good, especially if they have the 'right' (subjective) physique.

You're not going to find many female basketball/volleyball/hockey girlfriends that are too short.

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I think you're right, give or take some other variables. There's going to be really tall men that prefer taller women. After all, taller women do look pretty good, especially if they have the 'right' (subjective) physique.

You're not going to find many female basketball/volleyball/hockey girlfriends that are too short.

Well yeah, there are always variables. There are people out there who find morbid obesity attractive and women who prefer shorter men.

We're just talking about majorities and averages.

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Why can't we have both? A little background noise :towel:

I suppose not everyone has the same levels of endurance :emot-parrot:

Asians have a negative reputation in big cities in Canada/US. This is easily testable - and has been demonstrated over and over.

In really urban places like Vancouver, SF, NYC, Toronto, being Asian is not necessarily something women avoid but it certainly doesn't help it (for whatever reason).

A lot of Asians are passive by nature - and they get edged out in favor of more dominant personalities, usually demonstrated in other races.

It's not that people are racist inherently - it's more of a relational thing really, but women just don't find Asians all that interesting, trend wise.

This is a HUGE generalization and it's not meant to be accurate to each couple. If you were to gather out the number of couples out in downtown Vancouver, you're going to get a mixture of couples.

It is unlikely to see an Asian man dating a white woman (or any other race) BY CONTRAST of an Asian female dating outside her own race. It's not to say that Asians don't date Asians, but for an Asian male, it is undoubtedly lopsided against them, statistically speaking.

I wouldn't even say its JUST urban places. Its pretty much everywhere. Considering how large the Asian population is in B.C., you'd think it would at least be more common around the province.

Personally, I really would consider it as a subtle form of racism or prejudice. I have a lot of male Asian friends, and i'm certainly not the only one who feels discriminated against when it comes to dating. Its kind of one of the BIG reasons I don't want to live here in the West... because it sucks to be a male Asian who finds people of other races attractive.

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I suppose not everyone has the same levels of endurance :emot-parrot:

I wouldn't even say its JUST urban places. Its pretty much everywhere. Considering how large the Asian population is in B.C., you'd think it would at least be more common around the province.

Personally, I really would consider it as a subtle form of racism or prejudice. I have a lot of male Asian friends, and i'm certainly not the only one who feels discriminated against when it comes to dating. Its kind of one of the BIG reasons I don't want to live here in the West... because it sucks to be a male Asian who finds people of other races attractive.

Not liking a certain group of people sexually is not discriminatory at all, unless you consider them dating you a human right.

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I get what you're saying man. I just think its not accurate to compare a trait not desirable in either gender with one thats a massive barrier for one gender and a complete non issue for the other.

Also, one you can control through hard work mixed with some common sense. The other is something you're born with and can't change.
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Well yeah, there are always variables. There are people out there who find morbid obesity attractive and women who prefer shorter men.

We're just talking about majorities and averages.

I suppose not everyone has the same levels of endurance :emot-parrot:

I wouldn't even say its JUST urban places. Its pretty much everywhere. Considering how large the Asian population is in B.C., you'd think it would at least be more common around the province.

Personally, I really would consider it as a subtle form of racism or prejudice. I have a lot of male Asian friends, and i'm certainly not the only one who feels discriminated against when it comes to dating. Its kind of one of the BIG reasons I don't want to live here in the West... because it sucks to be a male Asian who finds people of other races attractive.

I think you're aptly named "TheXFactor"

Asian males are said to do much better elsewhere - for example, S. America. I've had numerous stories from friends and strangers that Asians are perceived much differently, especially if you learn their language(s) - That's the X factor right there. If you don't learn the language, it's pretty hard to interact. The more international girls are less likely to pay more attention to you. The seeming saving grace in being an Asian is that you 'look' Korean. Korean culture (in the broad sense) is heavily favorable around the world. It seems totally racist for Asians to be attractive due to that 'trait', but that is what is said to be the case.

Asian men can have an advantage over local women from their local men(!) in places like S. America and Europe, minus places like Russia/Ukraine. One cannot say the same over in North America.

Asians also won't have much trouble in Asia either. Modern culture seems to be culprit and how people are raised. It's also why Caucasians are perceived to be high value in Asia. Different is sometimes better.

Unfortunately, Vancouver, California, Toronto seem to be one of the worst places to date as an Asian. You're probably going to have better luck in the burbs.

It may not be 'racism', but there is most definitely racial preference. Did I mention yet that blacks are popular in Germany? (Again, if they learn the language)

Not liking a certain group of people sexually is not discriminatory at all, unless you consider them dating you a human right.

Also, one you can control through hard work mixed with some common sense. The other is something you're born with and can't change.

Being a certain race isn't something you can change either. Asian males are sh!t out of luck, generally speaking. Not something people want to admit, but that's what it is. I find it absolutely fascinating that Asians are more favored elsewhere in the world.

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Talk about a flawed study. Might as well say global warming is causing the marriage rate to decline, lol.

There are many reasons why people aren't getting married....

1) relationship dynamics has changed over the years, common-law unions are more accepted nowadays.

2) the 18-35 people has lesser earning potential than previous generations, and being poor doesn't make you marriage material

3) back in the days, you knock someone up, you're forced to marry. nowadays, it's acceptable to raise a child alone

4) people are living longer, so people delay marriage to later life. I mean.... marriage rate for those under 16 have declined within the last 2 centuries too, lol.

5) there's more to do in life. back in the day, people saved up for maybe a few grand vacations in their lifetime. now it's annual trips to Maui/Cancun/Vegas/etc. people have different priorities now.

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-Societal attitudes toward relationships are changing. It's more acceptable to have sex before marriage or even without being in a relationship.

-People are established in their careers later and later now. Couple that with the still a recovering economy. Financial stability is a big factor in whether people are ready to start families.

-Men are more much likely to get screwed in divorce courts

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I have 100% confidence talking to girls, but 0% confidence that it will lead to a relationship or anything similar. It makes it really easy to talk to girls.

As for higher expectations, I don't know what it was like before, but ~12 percent of the male population is 6'0 and taller, yet a majority of females will only go for this population...add in other factors like race and age and the percentage is decreased further.

That said, weight/figure has been an increased variable for men, with many men favoring thin and busty.

I akin obese women to really short men, in that you can really only date other obese men (in the case for an obese woman) or really short women (in the case of the really short man)...of course these change depending on regions and cultural beliefs (fatter is healthy and being shorter is less stigmatized).

There are definitely women who like tall guys. However you're underestimating how much women like successful (aka rich) guys.

We also aren't taking about one night stands, we are talking about long term relationships. For women things like stability become more important when choosing long term.

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Not all but a big percentage of the women i have dated are only happy when in control, deciding what to do, watch, where to go. You go along with it acting like their lapdog to get laid and then get sick of it and bam you revolt and are accused of being controlling by trying to empower yourself because they have established their control as status quo.

Since refusing to play this role i have had zero luck with women for two years. Its reverse sexism. And im white 6'0 and not obese. Not that i agree with the asian thing i have met a few extremely hot white chicks who only date asian guys.

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