Gross-Misconduct Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Why do people draw cartoons to insult other people's religions with nothing to gain for themselves? Mass murder is obviously a deplorable action but why insult the sacred? Why not debate with constructive criticisms which a lot of people respectfully engage in? You can love your own religion without putting down other people's. I'm not even religious, but I respect people's right to believe. Freedom and power come with responsibilities. So you're saying we all have to live by the rules set for us by murderers. These people say, you draw these cartoons and we will kill you. So we should all cower to them. Nice way to live. What happened to freedom? What if I said these people can't pratice their religion or I will kill them. Should they honor that too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackberries Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 so upsetting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackberries Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 So you're saying we all have to live by the rules set for us by murderers. These people say, you draw these cartoons and we will kill you. So we should all cower to them. Nice way to live. What happened to freedom? What if I said these people can't pratice their religion or I will kill them. Should they honor that too? dont agree with u on kassian. But I agree with you here. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummer4now Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 So you're saying we all have to live by the rules set for us by murderers. These people say, you draw these cartoons and we will kill you. So we should all cower to them. Nice way to live. What happened to freedom? What if I said these people can't pratice their religion or I will kill them. Should they honor that too? Best thing to do is isolate these people and ignore them. Get the frack out of the MENA and screen for potential extremists. It will be interesting to see how everything pans out in the next 10 years or so... My only fear is genocidal warfare as the potential is always there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gross-Misconduct Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 dont agree with u on kassian. But I agree with you here. +1 lol u make me feel bad about kassian now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackberries Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 lol u make me feel bad about kassian now its all good. Canucks fans above all else right?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackberries Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Best thing to do is isolate these people and ignore them. Get the frack out of the MENA and screen for potential extremists. It will be interesting to see how everything pans out in the next 10 years or so... My only fear is genocidal warfare as the potential is always there. yeah.. my husband is concerned about that too. I keep telling him we would never tolerate it here. We are too multicultural a country. But the fear that point a to point b overly simplistic thinking will eventually prevail, keeps gaining momentum with more incidents like this .I tend to believe history repeats itself in one way or another, if we are not careful another national socialist type monster could rise up using stuff like this as reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bookie Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Somewhat relevant to the topic - CBC had an interesting half hour panel discussion a couple weeks back with political cartoonists from Toronto, Montreal and Halifax. It's Canada-centric, they talk about cartoons they did about Jian Ghomeshi, the Moncton & Ottawa shootings, etc. Can be listened to here http://www.cbc.ca/news/political-cartoon-panel-1.2884336 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugor Hill Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 So you're saying we all have to live by the rules set for us by murderers. These people say, you draw these cartoons and we will kill you. So we should all cower to them. Nice way to live. What happened to freedom? What if I said these people can't pratice their religion or I will kill them. Should they honor that too? No, F-tard. Don't insult people and their religions because common sense tells you not to. Treat others as you would like to be treated. You have nothing to gain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackberries Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 No, F-tard. Don't insult people and their religions because common sense tells you not to. Treat others as you would like to be treated. You have nothing to gain. I can understand the concept of treating all people with respect. Definitely I agree. But these are cartoons, political satire. None of it is meant to be a daming indictment or insult to anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummer4now Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 It's a cartoon. You draw things as generalizations. Way to skip over the entire point... I guess some things bother me especially if you ever experience racism or bigotry. Post 9/11 has not been a rosey world for some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLASSJAW Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Why do people draw cartoons to insult other people's religions with nothing to gain for themselves? Mass murder is obviously a deplorable action but why insult the sacred? Why not debate with constructive criticisms which a lot of people respectfully engage in? You can love your own religion without putting down other people's. I'm not even religious, but I respect people's right to believe. Freedom and power come with responsibilities. the cartoonists did not deny someone the right to believe in what they want to believe. the cartoonists paid with their lives to show that extremists cannot silence inalienable rights that far, far exceed their normal dusty jurisdictions IMO satire has a time and place.. Why is it that Islam is the only religion being targeted by these cartoons? I can understand why some people would be offended by some of these cartoons some are borderline racist and bigoted.. Again why is their cartoons of brown people and not black people or asian people? Do they get a free pass? Double standards in the western world is what is making it crumble. first of all, i doubt you know the first thing about satire. but please, tell us when you believe it should or shouldn't be used? second, if you just did 15 seconds of googling, or even an image search, you'll see that Charlie Hedbo (brutally!) made fun of white people, christians, muslims, french people, americans, black people british people, russian people, etc. so why are you suggesting otherwise? why are you just making something up to fund a contrarian point? lol "why is their cartoon not of black people" "be fair and make an analogy about jews now" get out of here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackberries Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I guess some things bother me especially if you ever experience racism or bigotry. Post 9/11 has not been a rosey world for some. thats an awkward statement but fair. I guess trying to put myself in those shoes I can understand, but believe it or not there are parts of the world and times in history where caucasians were looked at the same way/ maybe not racism or bigotry but disdain. Look at imperialism in the 3rd world or the genocide of the first nations people . Slavery, etc. The slate is not exactly clean on the other side either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLASSJAW Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 This probably isn't a simple [publish comic] => [end up dead] flow chart. These people have other grievances and this is one of ways they chose to lash out. i don't get what your point is here? because muslims are struggling to integrate into france, they are lashing out by shooting a bunch of people who draw cartoons making fun of their religion... and... ? what? that isn't how democracy works, you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bookie Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 second, if you just did 15 seconds of googling, or even an image search, you'll see that Charlie Hedbo (brutally!) made fun of white people, christians, muslims, french people, americans, black people british people, russian people, etc. no need to google even. there's examples of this posted by myself and others in this very thread. edit - here's some more http://www.vox.com/2015/1/7/7507883/charlie-hebdo-explained-covers But the magazine's primary focus has always been French politics. In 2010, during the debate over a controversial new law that banned French women from wearing full-face veils in public, Charlie Hebdo's cover depicted a frolicking naked woman who shouted "Yes to wearing the burqa ... on the inside," with a ruffle of blue fabric showing between her legs: "Yes to wearing the burqa ... on the inside!" (Charlie Hebdo) Indeed, no person or institution, no matter how venerable, was safe from being targeted by the magazine's satire. In 2010 its cover went after the Pope Benedict XVI's shifting stance on birth control. He was depicted holding a condom aloft and saying "this is my body" — a reference to holy communion — with the caption "the Pope goes too far!": "The pope goes too far" (Charlie Hebdo) In 2006, the magazine mocked France's reality-TV habit with an image of Jesus on the cross, saying "I'm a celebrity, get me out of here!": "I'm a celebrity ... get me out of here!" (Charlie Hebdo) After French designer John Galliano was caught delivering an anti-semitic rant in a Paris bar, Charlie Hebdo suggested that right-wing politician Marine Le Pen had become the new model in his studio: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I guess some things bother me especially if you ever experience racism or bigotry. Post 9/11 has not been a rosey world for some. Yea, but the point of the cartoon is to not assume all muslims are violent extremists that agree with these attacks. It's actually anti-racist. A stereotype maybe, but not racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummer4now Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 the cartoonists did not deny someone the right to believe in what they want to believe. the cartoonists paid with their lives to show that extremists cannot silence inalienable rights that far, far exceed their normal dusty jurisdictions first of all, i doubt you know the first thing about satire. but please, tell us when you believe it should or shouldn't be used? second, if you just did 15 seconds of googling, or even an image search, you'll see that Charlie Hedbo (brutally!) made fun of white people, christians, muslims, french people, americans, black people british people, russian people, etc. so why are you suggesting otherwise? why are you just making something up to fund a contrarian point? lol "why is their cartoon not of black people" "be fair and make an analogy about jews now" get out of here. Acceptable would be a comedian like Stephen Colbert or any person who deals with that kind of humor and does not primarily target one group of people. What I mean by time and place is using satire to target individuals not groups of people or in this case religion and branding everyone the same. The whole islamic issue is very hot topic in the world and meaningless cartoons only incite hatred from less educated folk (extremists). IMO I see more jokes towards jewish and brown people than other races or ethnicities and I don't like it. The Jews have anti-semitism, the blacks have racism. but what do brown people have? Nothing. We set back and take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FramingDragon Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 i don't get what your point is here? because muslims are struggling to integrate into france, they are lashing out by shooting a bunch of people who draw cartoons making fun of their religion... and... ? what? that isn't how democracy works, you know?It's a two sided struggle, and the hostility that Germans are openly showing now to Muslims and Muslim immigration has existed in France for a long time. I just don't know what more ground there is left to cover when the discussion stays within the vacuum of picture ---> reaction. He is right, it's far more complicated and it's more fruitful to look at the reasons behind the tension that led to something like this than to talk about the importance about freedom of speech for the umpteenth time Also I don't understand why satire published about individuals belonging to other groups bears any relevance here. Making fun of the Pope is not the same as attacking the core beliefs of many in a religion that currently intersects with a huge number of ethnic and socioeconomic issues. One is clearly more explosive than the other given the current landscape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M A K A V E L I 96 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 because muslims are struggling to integrate into france, they are lashing out by shooting a bunch of people who draw cartoons making fun of their religion... and... ? what? More likely related to interference in the Middle East, drone wars, Iraq/Afghanistan, support of Israel, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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