Luongowned Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Recently I have noticed people on CDC expressing concern about not having any players in our system to replace the Sedins as they begin to regress. Many people undermine our current prospects and don't realize that with proper development our current group of young prospects can easily step into playing more prominent roles but we have to be patient. 8 years ago did anyone think the Sedins would ever have 100+ point seasons? Or that Kesler would've developed into a very good two way 2nd line centre? Or take burrows for that matter who was playing on the 1st line with the Sedins, did anyone ever see that coming? I definitely didn't and I don't think many of you did either. Give our current group of prospects an opportunity to grow and mature within our system and don't be so eager to trade them along with our draft picks for run down veterans. We might not be an elite team again for some time but eventually the pieces will fall into place for us to make a deep cup run. For now, let's bring our youngsters into a somewhat winning environment and let them grow. You never know what player might end up surprising you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerrDrFunk Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Man, I thought this was going to be a way different thread from the title.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Man, I thought this was going to be a way different thread from the title.... new scientific breakthroughs every day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice orca Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I thought Jimmie the Greek when i saw the thread title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Barzal Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 The Sedins were picked second and third overall, and were groomed to to be defensively aware before they were set free on the offensive front because of how weak they were. Virtanen at 6th overall is the highest pick we've had since then in a WEAK draft and he is built like an NHL'r already. If either he or Horvat top out as great second liners we should consider ourselves very lucky. No one's saying that we should blow it up because of our lack of blue chippers. But since the Cup run we've made a bad habit of expecting guys to play out of their comfort zones and produce beyond their means. I fear Virtanen and Horvat will be the scapegoats in that regard once they're promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snizzle_ Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I don't think many people on CDC here disagree with you. Almost everyone here is pro Benning who seems to preach the same ideas you are; bringing up our own youngers players to developed them under the tutelage of our veterans. You're anecdotal evidence is very circumstantial because the position of where the team was in 2004-2007 and the way the team is structured now are completely different. Back before the Sedins were elite players and Kesler was Selkie winner, our team was not on the cusp of being past its prime. The Sedins and Kesler were also further along in their development than our prospects are now relative to how old our veterans are. This is largely in part of our poor drafting from 2006-2013. In 2005-2006, our oldest star player was Markus Naslund at 32 and everyone else was 30 or younger (Morrison, Bertuzzi, Jovo), Sedins were 24 and Kesler was 21. Right now our best prospects are in the 18-21 year old range and our best players are 32-34. That age gap is going to be significant because the Sedins, Bieksa and Hamhuis might be expiring before the likes of Shinkaruk, McCann, Cassels, Virtanen and others become NHL regulars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken kaniff Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Sedin's were drafted 2nd and 3rd. They had the skills to be elite players. At this point we have nothing but a couple potential 2C's with Horvat, McCann, Vey etc... Kesler was a very good complimentary piece. He wouldnt be able to make this team a contender alone. McCann and Horvat could possibly turn out to be his equivalent. Burrows was a 3rd/2nd line tweener playing with elite players inflating his stats. Our prospect pool has nothing to take over for the Sedin's besides Virtanen maybe. We need a high end offensive centerman pretty soon for our prospect pool or its going to be a painful process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I wonder what kind of babies Kassian and Grenier would have via the breeding that is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luongowned Posted January 8, 2015 Author Share Posted January 8, 2015 That is a very fair analysis. I guess what I'm trying to express is that essentially we don't know what playing will develop into what but for the most part we have a player to fill every offensive role we would need in the future. We're maybe short a solid LW prospect and a few solid defensive prospects but other than that we have a fairly bright future. I don't think many people on CDC here disagree with you. Almost everyone here is pro Benning who seems to preach the same ideas you are; bringing up our own youngers players to developed them under the tutelage of our veterans. You're anecdotal evidence is very circumstantial because the position of where the team was in 2004-2007 and the way the team is structured now are completely different. Back before the Sedins were elite players and Kesler was Selkie winner, our team was not on the cusp of being past its prime. The Sedins and Kesler were also further along in their development than our prospects are now relative to how old our veterans are. This is largely in part of our poor drafting from 2006-2013. In 2005-2006, our oldest star player was Markus Naslund at 32 and everyone else was 30 or younger (Morrison, Bertuzzi, Jovo), Sedins were 24 and Kesler was 21. Right now our best prospects are in the 18-21 year old range and our best players are 32-34. That age gap is going to be significant because the Sedins, Bieksa and Hamhuis might be expiring before the likes of Shinkaruk, McCann, Cassels, Virtanen and others become NHL regulars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Vcr prospects = second line players. They do not represent elite athletes. Few teams have great success without some form of elite players. Accidents do occur like Tanev coming out of no where, maybe Forsling = Karlson in Ottawa maybe maybe maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanGnome Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I don't think breeding means what you think it means. Perhaps you meant grooming? Using breeding in this context just makes it seem weird. That said, it's only been in the last two years that the Canucks have reclaimed any significant amounts of skilled prospect depth. All those years that Gillis should have been planning for the replacement of the Sedins, Burrows etc, the picks were either wasted or traded away. That's why we have no organizationally grown prospects in the 25-26 range ready to step in and make an impact. The likeliest scenario, is to continue drafting well, and augment the roster with UFA acquisitions on short term (1-3 year) contracts until the prospect pipeline catches up with what it should actually be. Just going to take some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snizzle_ Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 While it's true that our prospect pool is growing, many of them are far from being staples in an NHL lineup. Why people may suggest trades is because we can trade for similar prospects who are further along in development and can therefor benefit with playing with the Sedins, Bieksa, Burrows and Hamhuis. Our recent trades proves that; with the likes of Dorsett and especially Vey and Pedan. What trading a 2nd round pick and a 3rd round pick did, was turn a 18 and 17 year old prospect (2015 3rd rounder) into 23 and 21 year olds who are further along maturity wise. Also, a new regime means that whatever the old regime did is obsolete; meaning the prospect drafted by the old regime are more likely to get moved in favor of players the new regime believes fits the mold going forward. Yes it is nice to draft your own players and to "breed" them, but if our team stays competitive and gets younger all while gaining experience, who cares where they came from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luongowned Posted January 8, 2015 Author Share Posted January 8, 2015 You're right I totally used breeding in the wrong context I meant something more along the lines of grooming. You're definitely right about the discrepancy in your players ready to make an immediate impact due to Gillis trading away our picks for vets. With that being said we can only look forward now right? Hopefully a really solid centreman falls to us in the draft and we could capitalize on drafting someone that could fill the 1C position in the future. That would also allow us to trade one of our lesser C prospects for a defensive prospect. It would be nice if we were able to draft and produce NHL players much like Tampa has been able to do. Palat in the 7th round was just nasty. I don't think breeding means what you think it means. Perhaps you meant grooming? Using breeding in this context just makes it seem weird. That said, it's only been in the last two years that the Canucks have reclaimed any significant amounts of skilled prospect depth. All those years that Gillis should have been planning for the replacement of the Sedins, Burrows etc, the picks were either wasted or traded away. That's why we have no organizationally grown prospects in the 25-26 range ready to step in and make an impact. The likeliest scenario, is to continue drafting well, and augment the roster with UFA acquisitions on short term (1-3 year) contracts until the prospect pipeline catches up with what it should actually be. Just going to take some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luongowned Posted January 8, 2015 Author Share Posted January 8, 2015 why does it double post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanGnome Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 why does it double post Because you "breed" your posts? (Sorry, couldn't resist) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jägermeister Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I think that is how Cassels and McCann ended up with mono. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luongowned Posted January 8, 2015 Author Share Posted January 8, 2015 Ahh.... I see what you did there. Made me giggle Because you "breed" your posts? (Sorry, couldn't resist) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Paulina Gretzky should of married (or get engaged to) Crosby or Stamkos instead of DJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven pounds soft Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Can we breed a Mario Lemieux ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Man, I thought this was going to be a way different thread from the title.... You'd have to think Lack and Luongo might have tried. Eddie Lack @eddielack 32s 33 seconds ago #tbt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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