Nuxfanabroad Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Deja vu all over again? It does sorta' feel like early 2014, albeit our coach is a tad less volatile. I see the 50ish game mark as a key point, where big decisions should be made. Twelve more to play; 7 at home, & a 5-game RT. Would bring us to Feb. 7th. Traditionally, Van teams have hit a slide around this Jan/Feb period, so I feel this stretch should show us what we've got. next gm:Cal, Road Trip: Nash, Philly, Car, Flor, TBay back home: Ana, Buff, Minny, Winn, SJ, Pitt. If we can get 7 or 8 W's here, I say mostly stay the course. If the team chokes/stumbles badly, trade for youth & create extra cap space for summer activity. The bonus is you never know, sometimes a bunch of young players can get hot & go on a run. If we're listing aimlessly in early Feb, trade Miller for Niemi(he's UFA, so you can quickly dump his hit), & of course a nice, young asset thrown in. IF this is the style they're playing in a month, I REALLY hope JB shuffles more youth into the deck. Allow vets like Burr, Badger, Ham & Higgy to chase the Mug, whilst we cut to the chase. Sure I'll take some heat for this, but it's hard to see this group(mostly healthy right now) going far. Even in their own bldg, they're often pushovers. It seems more & more, cap space is KING. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bookie Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Where does the Miller for Niemi thing come from? Is that like, a viable option that's been tossed around, or just a random suggestion? Because SJ is more or less in a similar position of make or break, and generally I don't see Miller being a trade deadline hottie (was on record being amazed that he got a return last year for Buffalo). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nuxfanabroad Posted January 9, 2015 Author Share Posted January 9, 2015 ^Well Bookie, I see it as a way to open 5~6 mill/cap, in short order. It's no secret SJ's had 'tending-issues, though they've got a pretty fair team. They may think RM(who's dying to live in Cal) fits their time-line, prior to a rebuild/retool, down the road? This would be PROVIDED the Nucks keep slumping, AND we could fetch another good young asset(eg: a conditional pick, based on SJ's performance this yr) Also think our Swedish duo might surprise people. Personally, I'd love to see what Lack/Markstrom got, over the last 30 games(with a little heat to perform). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bookie Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 oh I'm all for a Swedish duo, I just question Miller being a deadline dangler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Vanderhoek Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 The team has been built by GMJB over the offseason to have veterans as part of the team moving forward. Miller is not getting traded. He gives tge team a reliable netminder to build success. Management won't blow anything up or try and move out veteran experience or salary. This is needed to guide the youth given opportunity here. Excited by the team's direction and look forward to youth gaining experience and contributing as we move along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted January 9, 2015 Author Share Posted January 9, 2015 MV, Hear what you're saying, & understand the opposite-examples such as perhaps Edm or Col.. So then the debate may be what ratio of vets:youth should we maintain? How quickly/slowly should a GM integrate the youth? The danger is hanging on to the vets until they're worn out, & won't garner any return. They may have to usher in two waves of youth(over 2~4 seasons), for it all to really fly. Many posters seem to think there's only ONE WAY this all works. I'd argue that there are many possible ways to success/failure in assembling a strong team. My opinion (above, original post) applies in our current scenario. Again, feeling it mostly depends upon a crucial stretch. I wouldn't even be afraid(as GM) to challenge the vets, by making this all pretty clear for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 The team expectation was nothing more than making the playoffs this year. It wasn't "going far" by anybodies standard. Don't expect wholesale changes for the sake of change. Youth will come into the line up over the next few seasons as they develop. Patience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 ^Well Bookie, I see it as a way to open 5~6 mill/cap, in short order. It's no secret SJ's had 'tending-issues, though they've got a pretty fair team. They may think RM(who's dying to live in Cal) fits their time-line, prior to a rebuild/retool, down the road? This would be PROVIDED the Nucks keep slumping, AND we could fetch another good young asset(eg: a conditional pick, based on SJ's performance this yr) Also think our Swedish duo might surprise people. Personally, I'd love to see what Lack/Markstrom got, over the last 30 games(with a little heat to perform). oh I'm all for a Swedish duo, I just question Miller being a deadline dangler ^ ^^ I'd be nervous about handing a division rival Ryan Miller. It best be Hertl plus coming back? That said; Niemi was a Vezina finalist the season before last. And has won a cup! Meanwhile SJ has been jettisoning guys as old as Miller unless they are on the top of their game. Bottom line is I could see them rolling the dice on this play off season with Niemi. If he anchors the team in the post season he is re-signed. If not hello Ben Bishop? I do not see them making a deadline move for a tender... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted January 9, 2015 Author Share Posted January 9, 2015 ^Baggins, In a way I figure the above approach would represent even more patience, as opposed to trying to win with the status quo. Incorporating a little more youth/acquiring a couple extra picks, is a form of patience, the key being WHEN(precisely) to initiate such a strategy. A couple of our vets might very well be more valuable to the team, LT, if they're recycled into diff parts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchoball Cannons Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Deja vu all over again? It does sorta' feel like early 2014, albeit our coach is a tad less volatile. I see the 50ish game mark as a key point, where big decisions should be made. Twelve more to play; 7 at home, & a 5-game RT. Would bring us to Feb. 7th. Traditionally, Van teams have hit a slide around this Jan/Feb period, so I feel this stretch should show us what we've got. next gm:Cal, Road Trip: Nash, Philly, Car, Flor, TBay back home: Ana, Buff, Minny, Winn, SJ, Pitt. If we can get 7 or 8 W's here, I say mostly stay the course. If the team chokes/stumbles badly, trade for youth & create extra cap space for summer activity. The bonus is you never know, sometimes a bunch of young players can get hot & go on a run. If we're listing aimlessly in early Feb, trade Miller for Niemi(he's UFA, so you can quickly dump his hit), & of course a nice, young asset thrown in. IF this is the style they're playing in a month, I REALLY hope JB shuffles more youth into the deck. Allow vets like Burr, Badger, Ham & Higgy to chase the Mug, whilst we cut to the chase. Sure I'll take some heat for this, but it's hard to see this group(mostly healthy right now) going far. Even in their own bldg, they're often pushovers. It seems more & more, cap space is KING. Deja vu all over again? It does sorta' feel like early 2014, albeit our coach is a tad less volatile. I see the 50ish game mark as a key point, where big decisions should be made. Twelve more to play; 7 at home, & a 5-game RT. Would bring us to Feb. 7th. Traditionally, Van teams have hit a slide around this Jan/Feb period, so I feel this stretch should show us what we've got. next gm:Cal, Road Trip: Nash, Philly, Car, Flor, TBay back home: Ana, Buff, Minny, Winn, SJ, Pitt. If we can get 7 or 8 W's here, I say mostly stay the course. If the team chokes/stumbles badly, trade for youth & create extra cap space for summer activity. The bonus is you never know, sometimes a bunch of young players can get hot & go on a run. If we're listing aimlessly in early Feb, trade Miller for Niemi(he's UFA, so you can quickly dump his hit), & of course a nice, young asset thrown in. IF this is the style they're playing in a month, I REALLY hope JB shuffles more youth into the deck. Allow vets like Burr, Badger, Ham & Higgy to chase the Mug, whilst we cut to the chase. Sure I'll take some heat for this, but it's hard to see this group(mostly healthy right now) going far. Even in their own bldg, they're often pushovers. It seems more & more, cap space is KING. The canucks lost 1 game in 3 the sky is falling! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameron88188 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Totally agree! Should have done it last summer. Now we are trending towards a first round knockout which is worst case scenario... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanIsleNuckFan Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Why are we trading the goalie now? This plan does not make sense... Will another goalie score more goals for us or something? Miller is solid, I could see him carrying us deeper than one round.. (fingers crossed) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 WD's comments are starting to sound a lot like Torts' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo.Horvat53 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 The canucks lost 1 game in 3 the sky is falling! And have lost 2 of their lost four. Depends which way you spin it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhllacksintegrity Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 I know this may be off topic, and if needed to be removed thats okay. But had to share with everyone. Dartmouth College just suspended 64 students for cheating in a Sports Ethics class. Breaking the exclusive Ivy League code. I guess they all had expectations of being referees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 oh I'm all for a Swedish duo I saw a Swedish duo at the Marble Arch years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riviera82 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Fell off the bandwagon and hit your head on the way down? It's not like JB thought Miller alone was going to take us to the promise land...The owners want a playoff birth and JB wants to develop younger players in a winning atmosphere. Trade him not even 1 year into his contract, like really? This past offseason the player movement we saw seemed to me like nothing more than a patchwork job. Taking last year's team which crashed and burned, replacing certain parts with others of similar quality, putting duct tape over a few other holes, and hoping that this creation would squeak into a playoff spot. If this is what ownership wanted, what exactly are they trying to accomplish? Is getting 2 or 3 home playoff games really worth delaying the team's progression another year? Not only that, but is being a low seeded, easy first-round knockout really the kind of winning atmosphere that's best for the younger players? I find the whole thing pretty frustrating. The way this team is going it'll probably be many years before we're a real playoff threat again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 This past offseason the player movement we saw seemed to me like nothing more than a patchwork job. Taking last year's team which crashed and burned, replacing certain parts with others of similar quality, putting duct tape over a few other holes, and hoping that this creation would squeak into a playoff spot. If this is what ownership wanted, what exactly are they trying to accomplish? Is getting 2 or 3 home playoff games really worth delaying the team's progression another year? Not only that, but is being a low seeded, easy first-round knockout really the kind of winning atmosphere that's best for the younger players? I find the whole thing pretty frustrating. The way this team is going it'll probably be many years before we're a real playoff threat again. So... you want to tank? Also, referring to the first bold, I'm not exactly sure how else the team could keep its competitiveness while instilling youth without going through a transition/ patchwork period (which arguably every good team goes through). The next wave of kids simply aren't ready, even the class of a draft can't always be expected to save a team right away (Reinhart, Draisaitl...) and I honestly think Trader Jim did a great job with what he had, getting young, affordable guys who are just about to enter their prime years and have potential (Bones, Vey, Matthias, heck even Sbisa) for guys who had value but wanted out or who we couldn't afford to keep (Kes, Lu, Garry). It's not as bad as you make it sound, since there's really only two ways to build up a team: get elite guys that everyone wants but no one would trade short of ripping of their trade partner since they drafted those guys themselves, or get young guys for older-but-still-valuable guys and bank that they would reach their potential, and I'm glad that Jim took the 2nd option so the team can be competitive now and in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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