Canada Hockey Place Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Not sure if I should have started a thread on this, if not sorry, but I thought this was cool and would be interesting to some. A graphical representation by Frozen Faceoff of how NHL rinks have changed over the years. http://www.frozenfaceoff.net/2015/01/nhl-history-of-rinks.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linden17 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Interesting. Thanks for posting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckNORRIS4Cup Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Once they finally budge and make the rinks bigger, the NHL will be so much more entertaining to watch again, like the good old days. Nice find btw OP. IIHF vs NHL (Why do you think 4 vs 4 is so entertaining to watch, because there is more space to skate) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skolozsy2 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Once they finally budge and make the rinks bigger, the NHL will be so much more entertaining to watch again, like the good old days. Nice find btw OP. IIHF vs NHL (Why do you think 4 vs 4 is so entertaining to watch, because there is more space to skate) Completely agree, but good luck getting owners to remove 2000 of their most expensive seats in order to fit the bigger ice surface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckNORRIS4Cup Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Completely agree, but good luck getting owners to remove 2000 of their most expensive seats in order to fit the bigger ice surface. Yup I know and it sucks, that's really the only thing preventing it from happening, but eventually the NHL has to just implement this rule to all rinks, so it's fair to everyone. I know some players are against it too, because it would be a little more tiring for players to skate as hard as they do in a bigger rink. It's just in the end it's 1 more exciting, and 2 which I think should be the bigger deal breaker is it's more SAFER for all players on the ice. Having more time to react to a play, instead of putting your head up for a second and getting creamed. It would bring down on hitting, because players couldn't go out of their way and try to hit people all the time and if they did they would be so far out of position. Plus the real skilled players would be able to do things we still can't see today, because of how little room there is in the NHL right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyBoy44 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I know some players are against it too, because it would be a little more tiring for players to skate as hard as they do in a bigger rink. This must be why John Scott doesnt see much international play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Once they finally budge and make the rinks bigger, the NHL will be so much more entertaining to watch again, like the good old days. Nice find btw OP. IIHF vs NHL (Why do you think 4 vs 4 is so entertaining to watch, because there is more space to skate)fwiw I think the entertainment aspect of games has a lot more to do with on-ice talent than rink size. I've seen some yawn-inducing IIHF and NHL 4-on-4 play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckNORRIS4Cup Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 fwiw I think the entertainment aspect of games has a lot more to do with on-ice talent than rink size. I've seen some yawn-inducing IIHF and NHL 4-on-4 play. Well you are a Toronto fan so yawning is common.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Well you are a Toronto fan so yawning is common....Are you new here? Hi, I'm TOMapleLaughs, one of the biggest TO haters of all time. Welcome to CDC, where the first C stands for Canucks. Now that we're introduced, I'm going to say that my point is totally valid. There are a lot of garbage games played on IIHF ice, despite how big it is, so it remains to be seen whether or not bigger ice would improve NHL game quality enough to at least counter the lost revenue due to fewer seats in arenas. Probably not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckNORRIS4Cup Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Are you new here? Hi, I'm TOMapleLaughs, one of the biggest TO haters of all time. Welcome to CDC, where the first C stands for Canucks. Now that we're introduced, I'm going to say that my point is totally valid. There are a lot of garbage games played on IIHF ice, despite how big it is, so it remains to be seen whether or not bigger ice would improve NHL game quality enough to at least counter the lost revenue due to fewer seats in arenas. Probably not. Wow you really take things seriously.... enter sarcasm, may want to check a dictionary for the definition of the word, or google search which ever one suits you best. Now that you want to make things serious, your comparing two different leagues of players on different ice surfaces. There is a reason why the NHL has most of the talented players in the world playing in their league, compared to the IIHF. Of course when a league plays on a bigger ice surface with much less talented players, the game is going to be much slower and not as exciting. But, when you have most of the best talented players in the world playing on a bigger ice surface, it will take some time to adjust, but it would create so much more opportunity in the game, and create a lot more excitement and player safety in the game. I'm sure if the IIHF used NHL size rinks their games would be more exciting. When a league that doesn't have as many talented players playing in such a big rink it's kind of pointless, and I could easily see it being boring with all that extra ice that they just can't cover. I don't see that being a problem for the NHL, especially since the league is changing from 4th line goons, to 4th line players who can produce, it's a differen't game now then it used to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Wow you really take things seriously.... enter sarcasm, may want to check a dictionary for the definition of the word, or google search which ever one suits you best. Now that you want to make things serious, your comparing two different leagues of players on different ice surfaces. There is a reason why the NHL has most of the talented players in the world playing in their league, compared to the IIHF. Of course when a league plays on a bigger ice surface with much less talented players, the game is going to be much slower and not as exciting. But, when you have most of the best talented players in the world playing on a bigger ice surface, it will take some time to adjust, but it would create so much more opportunity in the game, and create a lot more excitement and player safety in the game. I'm sure if the IIHF used NHL size rinks their games would be more exciting. When a league that doesn't have as many talented players playing in such a big rink it's kind of pointless, and I could easily see it being boring with all that extra ice that they just can't cover. I don't see that being a problem for the NHL, especially since the league is changing from 4th line goons, to 4th line players who can produce, it's a differen't game now then it used to be. My sarcasmometer was off, sorry. Just used to getting attacked by lurking TO fans today, so I apologize for taking that out on you. I see what you're saying, but it's debateable of the overall entertainment factor of the league as it is would go up just because of larger ice. The NHL is turning into a bit of a soft, no-hitting league as of late, so I'm not a huge fan of turning it into ballet outright. Current IIHF systems combined with the larger ice tends to lead to a more perimeter, cycling game with opponents collapsing to the goaltender, and that's not exactly pretty to watch. I don't think there's any sure-fire way to increase the entertainment value, but increasing the level of talent available to teams or perhaps increasing the importance of games might be a better start than playing around with ice sheet size. Not looking forward to expansion. It's doable, but a lot of games now are pretty boring. What's it going to be like with another two more teams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckNORRIS4Cup Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 My sarcasmometer was off, sorry. Just used to getting attacked by lurking TO fans today, so I apologize for taking that out on you. I see what you're saying, but it's debateable of the overall entertainment factor of the league as it is would go up just because of larger ice. The NHL is turning into a bit of a soft, no-hitting league as of late, so I'm not a huge fan of turning it into ballet outright. Current IIHF systems combined with the larger ice tends to lead to a more perimeter, cycling game with opponents collapsing to the goaltender, and that's not exactly pretty to watch. I don't think there's any sure-fire way to increase the entertainment value, but increasing the level of talent available to teams or perhaps increasing the importance of games might be a better start than playing around with ice sheet size. Not looking forward to expansion. It's doable, but a lot of games now are pretty boring. What's it going to be like with another two more teams? All good Maple Leafs #1 Fan lol j/k. Yes I understand the hitting is getting less and less, but the room and space is still getting less and less it's not opening up anymore like it used to be like, unless when it's 4 on 4. I think it would be perfect for players like the Sedins to watch, they would have so much more space to do things even more with the puck and it would be amazing. Maybe a little slower for players who cycle, but creating more open space to set up players for scoring opportunites would be beneficial, because this league is all about scoring in the end. Adding more talent to the teams is nice and easy way of doing things, but if those players are playing against the exact same calibre of players, there is no open ice to see these talented players do the things they are capable of doing 100%. Take McDavid for instance, the guy is in a differen't league, but look at the players he's against they're not in his league, so he is able to pull off a lot of these amazing plays. Come the NHL it's totally different the talent is MUCH better then what he has been facing, and it will be less time and room for him to do some of the things he's able to get away with right now in juniors. If you opened up that ice a little more, then players like him would be able to show you a lot more of what he's capable of doing, but he will be limited with the skill of players he will be up against and room on the ice. As far as expansion goes, totally against it. Maybe in 5-10 years it's something to look at, when teams start letting go of older slower players and look more to youth and faster players. Players are much better now then they were 10-15 years ago, the skill of all players in general are going up, and the NHL and GM's will be wanting to get more younger players playing in the league, it's a new era starting soon I think. I still think teams like Florida and Phoenix, should just be moved to a different place in general instead of expansion right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFan1 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 They've been talking about making the ice as big as the international ice surface for decades now. The NHL is very dependent on it's gate revenue. Bigger ice is not going to happen. The teams will not give up the revenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Juice Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Owners don't want to lose money when having to give up seats just to expand the rink and the players will not like having to adjust to the bigger ice surface. Especially pros who have been in the league for a number of years as well as the prospects coming in (aside from those playing internationally) as they're essentially the same size in all levels of hockey (CHL, AHL, NHL). Might as well change the rink size for the AHL and CHL too if we're going to expand the rink size for the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Doctor Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Very Interesting. Thanks for making this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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