Alexandre Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Sorry folks, I've edited my list a couple times due to errors (for example, I forgot Caleb Jones, so I had to shift some names around). NOW my list is FINAL. Thanks for your input so far everybody! For me, it's all about my very own preferences. However, I'm always open to suggestions/comments/advice. Cheers! You have at least one more editing to do - Merkley! He was the guy I was most interested in your rankings/list. He is the guy I am hoping the Canucks end up picking because I am sure he will have an excellent NHL career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herberts Vasiljevs Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Duncan Keith esque? So you're saying Dunn has amazing agility, quick wind up slapper, great puck control, solid crisp passes and unmatched vision to go with amazing defensive awareness? Damn me likey. The bolded things especially, yes, actually. Also, he says that he's more than capable of playing great defensive hockey, but he just needs to focus on that side of the game more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herberts Vasiljevs Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 You have at least one more editing to do - Merkley! He was the guy I was most interested in your rankings/list. He is the guy I am hoping the Canucks end up picking because I am sure he will have an excellent NHL career. OMG you're right. Lmao. I hate to burst your bubble, but I have him pegged at 25. Not that I think he's bad or anything, but rather, there are just other guys that I covet more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossi Vaananen Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 You have at least one more editing to do - Merkley! He was the guy I was most interested in your rankings/list. He is the guy I am hoping the Canucks end up picking because I am sure he will have an excellent NHL career. If I'm taking an undersized winger in the first round, it's between Merkley/Konecny/Beauvillier, and personally I'm picking Beau. He put up 337 shots in 67 games, that shot total is insane. You can talk all you want about points, from which he has 94 (42 G), but putting up 5 shots a game sets a pretty high standard of puck possession, getting open and winning puck battles. Would bang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSG Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 one more week!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 So. Is it possible for us to seriously come to a consensus or at least majority on at least what position is of most prominent importance? As in if we are to obtain an early to mid 2nd round pick and that's it do we draft 2 D, 2 Forwards a mixture of with the emphasis on the 23rd being specifically a D or Forward? Like where do we REALLY see a need for a potential top player. D or LW/RW or another C? My money is now as it always has been on D. There are 2 guys in the earlier numbers with endless comparables to Keith, Holmstrom and other big names with the numbers and game play to back up those statements on D. To me, that is of much more vital importance than another forward. I'd take a risk on a franchise defining D man with our aging core over a forward with unknown potential. The reason it's a risk? You never know what you're going to get or the timeline of development with a D until you let them play out to their potential, 1 pick could be a mediocre player where another could be that Keith, Weber, Holmstrom, Borque. I still advocate blowing the farm of picks we might garner on D. It's the 1 single thing this team has never had, Ohlund and Edler come the closest. We've had franchise goalies centers and wingers. Never a franchise D. Time to give that a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gstank29 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 So. Is it possible for us to seriously come to a consensus or at least majority on at least what position is of most prominent importance? As in if we are to obtain an early to mid 2nd round pick and that's it do we draft 2 D, 2 Forwards a mixture of with the emphasis on the 23rd being specifically a D or Forward? Like where do we REALLY see a need for a potential top player. D or LW/RW or another C? My money is now as it always has been on D. There are 2 guys in the earlier numbers with endless comparables to Keith, Holmstrom and other big names with the numbers and game play to back up those statements on D. To me, that is of much more vital importance than another forward. I'd take a risk on a franchise defining D man with our aging core over a forward with unknown potential. The reason it's a risk? You never know what you're going to get or the timeline of development with a D until you let them play out to their potential, 1 pick could be a mediocre player where another could be that Keith, Weber, Holmstrom, Borque. I still advocate blowing the farm of picks we might garner on D. It's the 1 single thing this team has never had, Ohlund and Edler come the closest. We've had franchise goalies centers and wingers. Never a franchise D. Time to give that a shot. We would be in a better position to draft a "franchise defence man" in the next couple of years. Next year a except us to be drafting in the 8-14 range, if would be a lot easier to trade up from there than 23. At 23 there are a lot of forwards who will be top 6/first line guys, there aren't that many who will be top 3/top pairing defence man. History has proven it is better to draft a forward in the 1st round and then target you needs in rounds 2-7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baumerman77 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 I think it is good to remember whoever we take at 23 to keep expectations low. Historically, the 23rd pick has only player 100 NHL games 70% of the time and is an average fourth liner or 6/7 dman. http://www2.tsn.ca/fantasy_news/story/?id=455673 I would much prefer Benning to package whichever goalie (and other players) with the 23rd pick to move up in the draft (as opposed to regaining a second round pick). History says that is a better strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herberts Vasiljevs Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 If I'm taking an undersized winger in the first round, it's between Merkley/Konecny/Beauvillier, and personally I'm picking Beau. He put up 337 shots in 67 games, that shot total is insane. You can talk all you want about points, from which he has 94 (42 G), but putting up 5 shots a game sets a pretty high standard of puck possession, getting open and winning puck battles. Would bang. I would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 If I'm taking an undersized winger in the first round, it's between Merkley/Konecny/Beauvillier, and personally I'm picking Beau. He put up 337 shots in 67 games, that shot total is insane. You can talk all you want about points, from which he has 94 (42 G), but putting up 5 shots a game sets a pretty high standard of puck possession, getting open and winning puck battles. Would bang. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6C_5pEDQNE In that context. I personally like: Konecny than Beauvillier than Merkley I like their intangibles and skill sets over Merkley's. Beauvillier could very much be a giroux. If he slips to the second round one team will be incredibly lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canorth Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 I think it is good to remember whoever we take at 23 to keep expectations low. Historically, the 23rd pick has only player 100 NHL games 70% of the time and is an average fourth liner or 6/7 dman. http://www2.tsn.ca/fantasy_news/story/?id=455673 I would much prefer Benning to package whichever goalie (and other players) with the 23rd pick to move up in the draft (as opposed to regaining a second round pick). History says that is a better strategy. 11th 12th 13th 20th 21st are also at 70%. 22nd is 60% 15th is 40% And they consider Cody Hodgsons to be one of the best drafted at #10. Who would you rather have? Ryan Kesler at 23 or Cody Hodgsons at 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baumerman77 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 11th 12th 13th 20th 21st are also at 70%. 22nd is 60% 15th is 40% Shows how much luck there is in drafting, especially after the top 5. There is a definite linear drop-off, but randomness and luck can affect the "best" at any pick. It is much better to focus on the averages for drafting strategy purposes (always play the odds). Think of it this way, nobody would conclude the 54th overall pick is a better pick than the 10th overall just because Duncan Keith was drafted at 54 and he was/is better than any 10th overall picks in that time span. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorevat Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 I think it is good to remember whoever we take at 23 to keep expectations low. Historically, the 23rd pick has only player 100 NHL games 70% of the time and is an average fourth liner or 6/7 dman. http://www2.tsn.ca/fantasy_news/story/?id=455673 I would much prefer Benning to package whichever goalie (and other players) with the 23rd pick to move up in the draft (as opposed to regaining a second round pick). History says that is a better strategy. I agree with keeping the expectations low, rather be surprised than disappointed lol. But this is a deeper draft than usual and Benning believes he'll get a solid player at 23 and i have full confidence in Benning when it comes to the draft. Benning said he's going to try to acquire at least one 2nd and maybe another. having the 23rd and a couple seconds would be way better than maybe packaging the firsts and 1 or 2 seconds for a higher pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsiders Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Brandon Carlo for me. He is a future Tanev on the back end which isn't bad. His offensive game is there trust me, its getting better. Carlo is a for sure in the NHL in the next 3 season. He is gonna be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gstank29 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Brandon Carlo for me. He is a future Tanev on the back end which isn't bad. His offensive game is there trust me, its getting better. Carlo is a for sure in the NHL in the next 3 season. He is gonna be good. 1 in Tri-Cities 1/2 in Utica. You can tell he has the offensive instincts but knows his roll on the team. Look for him to have a 10 goals 40+ point season next year in Tri-Cities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sestito Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 I'm never against taking low upside players with a 20-30 pick. I've always been a huge supporter of Gaunce. So if we go that route again, I'll be happy with it as long as it's not Bittner. Just can't be overly slow, like Gauthier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsiders Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 1 in Tri-Cities 1/2 in Utica. You can tell he has the offensive instincts but knows his roll on the team. Look for him to have a 10 goals 40+ point season next year in Tri-Cities This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnLocke Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 My philosophy is go big or go home. You gotta risk it for the biscuit. Screw picking safe. Pick the high risk high reward guys. Guryanov Plz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexandre Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 If I'm taking an undersized winger in the first round, it's between Merkley/Konecny/Beauvillier, and personally I'm picking Beau. He put up 337 shots in 67 games, that shot total is insane. You can talk all you want about points, from which he has 94 (42 G), but putting up 5 shots a game sets a pretty high standard of puck possession, getting open and winning puck battles. Would bang. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6C_5pEDQNE You can talk all you want about points which Merkley has 90 (70 assists so is a passer not a shooter) but the key for me is to determine how it will all translate in the NHL. I feel that the best predictor for determining NHL success in these prospects is compete level/drive. Merkley's elite level of compete/drive pretty well guarantees an excellent NHL career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexandre Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 OMG you're right. Lmao. I hate to burst your bubble, but I have him pegged at 25. Not that I think he's bad or anything, but rather, there are just other guys that I covet more. No, actually I am happy you have Merkley rated where the Canucks have a chance of getting him. I also like that you have Dunn at 23 because I like him almost as much as Merkley and for the same reason - elite level compete/drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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