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This is how I think the first 3 rounds (91 picks) will go. In this I assumed trades for the Canucks that may happen :rolleyes: I wanted at least a pick in each round for the Canucks. B) The hypothetical trades are for Carolina's 2nd round pick (35oa) and Columbus' 3rd round pick(69oa). How they got them doesn't matter as it doesn't change the order just wanted a bit of extra dialogue. The picks are not what I would choose for the Canucks but what I believe Benning will do. Let me know what you think all criticism welcome : :D

1 Edmonton Mcdavid C

2 Buffalo Eichel C

3 Arizona Marner C

4 Toronto Strome C

5 Carolina Hanafin D

6 N.J Rantanen C/RW

7 Philadelphia Zacha C/LW

8 Columbus Provorov D

9 San Jose Barzal C

10 Colorado Werenski D

11 Florida Crouse LW

12 Dallas Meier RW

13 Los Angeles Connor C

14 Boston Konecny C/RW

15 Calagary Svechnikov LW

16 Edmonton Zboril D

17 Winnipeg Roy D

18 Ottawa Eriksson Ek C

19 Detroit Chabot D

20 Minnesota Bittner LW

21 Buffalo DeBrusk LW

22 Washington Kylington D

23 Vancouver White C/RW

24 Toronto Guryanov LW/RW

25 Winnipeg Harkins C

26 Montreal Beauvillier C/LW

27 Anaheim Merkley C/RW

28 Tampa Bay Larsson D

29 Philadelphia Boeser RW

30 Arizona Carlsson D

31 Buffalo Samsonov G

32 Arizona Sprong RW

33 Edmonton Blackwood G

34 Columbus Juulsen D

35 Vancouver Dunn D

36 N.J Yan LW

37 Boston Carlo D

38 Columbus Roslovic C/RW

39 San Jose Fischer RW/C

40 Colorado Novak C

41 N.J Chlapik C

42 Ottawa Pilon D

43 Los Angeles Meloche D

44 Tampa Bay Dergachyov C

45 Calgary Vladar G

46 Pittsburgh Gagne RW/C

47 Winnipeg Siegenthaler D

48 Ottawa Senyshyn RW

49 Dallas Forsbacka Karlsson C

50 Minnesota Booth G

51 Buffalo Vande Sompel D

52 Calgary Greenway LW

53 Calgary Wotherspoon D

54 Chicago Andersson D

55 Nashville Bracco C/RW

56 St. Louis Brisebois D

57 Edmonton Dermott D

58 Columbus Kovacs LW/RW

59 Arizona Tomek G

60 Philadelphia Hintz LW/RW

61 NYR Mitchell Stephens C

62 Washington Wagner LW

63 Arizona N. Roy C

64 Tampa Bay Knott LW

65 Toronto Korostelev LW/RW

66 Arizona Lauzon D

67 N.J Speers RW

68 Columbus Spacek C

69 Vancouver Guhle D

70 Philadelphia Musil C

71 Colorado Gilbert D

72 NYI Cirelli C

73 Detroit Ahl LW/RW

74 Los Angeles Kolesar RW

75 Boston Musil C

76 Calgary Capobianco D

77 Florida Nielsen D

78 Winnipeg Looke LW/RW

79 Edmonton Spencer D

80 Anaheim Nattinen C

81 Arizona Lindgren D

82 Boston Greer LW

83 Calgary Karnaukhov C

84 Anaheim Montembeault G

85 Nashville Gropp LW

86 St. Louis Gawdin C

87 Montreal Bourque D

88 Florida Marino D

89 NYR Marsh LW

90 Chicago Marody C

91 Philadelphia Cernak D

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Ryan Kesler was picked 23rd overall in the 2003 NHL entry draft.

We passed on Perry, Weber, Bergeron.

71 players from that draft year have played 200+ NHL games.

This draft year is just about as strong.

But don't get too excited about it. Only so many players make it after all. And we should target a low-upside guy too. Especially if he's a defenseman, make sure he is a low-upside defenseman. That has always worked for the Canucks in the past.

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You can talk all you want about points which Merkley has 90 (70 assists so is a passer not a shooter) but the key for me is to determine how it will all translate in the NHL. I feel that the best predictor for determining NHL success in these prospects is compete level/drive. Merkley's elite level of compete/drive pretty well guarantees an excellent NHL career.

Tough to say how excellent he will be when in Kelowna he was on a very, very stacked team. I'd prefer one of elite goal-scoring skill or size on RW, preferably both, and Merkley is more of a playmaker.

I'd probably go Colin White to be safer, if we're picking another RW. But the name of the game for the Canucks should be defense.

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Best RW who might be in our range, which is the only forward position we need to improve, is Gurianov. Lefty that has had success on the right side while having size, speed and ton of skill.

The catch is the Russian factor. Do you go for it anyway?

Boeser and White are not bad RWs in their own right. If we do draft a RW I think it will be one of those guys.

We really should draft a defenseman though. I hope whoever Benning thinks is the BPA is turns out to be a defenseman.

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I think the 4 or 5 prospects Benning thinks he may have a shot at 23 are Konency, Eriksson-Ek, White, Chabot and probably Guryanov.

Out of that group and even any that may be there at 23 I'd take Eriksson-Ek, he can play all 3 forward positions is big, strong, uses his size has great vision, shot, speed and plays a very good a responsible 200 ft game. Sounds like a Canuck me

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Tough to say how excellent he will be when in Kelowna he was on a very, very stacked team. I'd prefer one of elite goal-scoring skill or size on RW, preferably both, and Merkley is more of a playmaker.

I'd probably go Colin White to be safer, if we're picking another RW. But the name of the game for the Canucks should be defense.

Just like it was tough to predict how excellent an NHL career Kesler would have in his draft year despite having elite speed and good size. However Kesler also had elite level compete and drive and so drove himself to improve his shot and defensive game. Besides, Merkley is not small at just under 5'11'' and 191 lbs. However, if Merkley is gone, White would be a good alternative and then pick Dunn with our second pick! Man oh man, can't wait.

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I dont have interest in Merkley. I just dont see trying to run and gun with the Oilers wholl be a powerhouse and we'll inevitably have to go through them in the playoffs for years.

We'll literally have to play like Oshawa did this season. Full group shutdown hockey. We already have some good pieces with the likes of Horvat, McCann, Cassels, Gaunce, Virtanen, Kassian, Grenier, Kenins... and some winger skill sprinkled in with the likes of Shink, Baert, Vey, Jensen. Im totally fine with the continuous adding of a size/speed/200 ft game considering whom we're going to have to compete against for the next 15 years. Also why I ok with taking Carlo.

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I dont have interest in Merkley. I just dont see trying to run and gun with the Oilers wholl be a powerhouse and we'll inevitably have to go through them in the playoffs for years.

We'll literally have to play like Oshawa did this season. Full group shutdown hockey. We already have some good pieces with the likes of Horvat, McCann, Cassels, Gaunce, Virtanen, Kassian, Grenier, Kenins... and some winger skill sprinkled in with the likes of Shink, Baert, Vey, Jensen. Im totally fine with the continuous adding of a size/speed/200 ft game considering whom we're going to have to compete against for the next 15 years. Also why I ok with taking Carlo.

Interesting. It may turn out like Buffalo-Boston matchups did a few years ago. Buffalo all speed and skill constantly being bounced out by a bully team. Not that our team is currently a bully team by any stretch. They just lost gutlessly to a terrible Calgary team. No wonder Benning is mad and looks like he's ready to blow it up a bit more.

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This is how I think the first 3 rounds (91 picks) will go. In this I assumed trades for the Canucks that may happen :rolleyes: I wanted at least a pick in each round for the Canucks. B) The hypothetical trades are for Carolina's 2nd round pick (35oa) and Columbus' 3rd round pick(69oa). How they got them doesn't matter as it doesn't change the order just wanted a bit of extra dialogue. The picks are not what I would choose for the Canucks but what I believe Benning will do. Let me know what you think all criticism welcome : :D

1 Edmonton Mcdavid C

2 Buffalo Eichel C

3 Arizona Marner C

4 Toronto Strome C

5 Carolina Hanafin D

6 N.J Rantanen C/RW

7 Philadelphia Zacha C/LW

8 Columbus Provorov D

9 San Jose Barzal C

10 Colorado Werenski D

11 Florida Crouse LW

12 Dallas Meier RW

13 Los Angeles Connor C

14 Boston Konecny C/RW

15 Calagary Svechnikov LW

16 Edmonton Zboril D

17 Winnipeg Roy D

18 Ottawa Eriksson Ek C

19 Detroit Chabot D

20 Minnesota Bittner LW

21 Buffalo DeBrusk LW

22 Washington Kylington D

23 Vancouver White C/RW

24 Toronto Guryanov LW/RW

25 Winnipeg Harkins C

26 Montreal Beauvillier C/LW

27 Anaheim Merkley C/RW

28 Tampa Bay Larsson D

29 Philadelphia Boeser RW

30 Arizona Carlsson D

31 Buffalo Samsonov G

32 Arizona Sprong RW

33 Edmonton Blackwood G

34 Columbus Juulsen D

35 Vancouver Dunn D

36 N.J Yan LW

37 Boston Carlo D

38 Columbus Roslovic C/RW

39 San Jose Fischer RW/C

40 Colorado Novak C

41 N.J Chlapik C

42 Ottawa Pilon D

43 Los Angeles Meloche D

44 Tampa Bay Dergachyov C

45 Calgary Vladar G

46 Pittsburgh Gagne RW/C

47 Winnipeg Siegenthaler D

48 Ottawa Senyshyn RW

49 Dallas Forsbacka Karlsson C

50 Minnesota Booth G

51 Buffalo Vande Sompel D

52 Calgary Greenway LW

53 Calgary Wotherspoon D

54 Chicago Andersson D

55 Nashville Bracco C/RW

56 St. Louis Brisebois D

57 Edmonton Dermott D

58 Columbus Kovacs LW/RW

59 Arizona Tomek G

60 Philadelphia Hintz LW/RW

61 NYR Mitchell Stephens C

62 Washington Wagner LW

63 Arizona N. Roy C

64 Tampa Bay Knott LW

65 Toronto Korostelev LW/RW

66 Arizona Lauzon D

67 N.J Speers RW

68 Columbus Spacek C

69 Vancouver Guhle D

70 Philadelphia Musil C

71 Colorado Gilbert D

72 NYI Cirelli C

73 Detroit Ahl LW/RW

74 Los Angeles Kolesar RW

75 Boston Musil C

76 Calgary Capobianco D

77 Florida Nielsen D

78 Winnipeg Looke LW/RW

79 Edmonton Spencer D

80 Anaheim Nattinen C

81 Arizona Lindgren D

82 Boston Greer LW

83 Calgary Karnaukhov C

84 Anaheim Montembeault G

85 Nashville Gropp LW

86 St. Louis Gawdin C

87 Montreal Bourque D

88 Florida Marino D

89 NYR Marsh LW

90 Chicago Marody C

91 Philadelphia Cernak D

Finnish Aho should be in there. I would take him if he's available i the third easy.

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Just looked at the player types that had the most success against Chicago in the playoffs. Tampa's small snipers Johnson and Kucherov, for example, vanished against them. But Getzlaf and Anaheims power wingers racked up points against them, as well as Nashville's guys. I believe Chicago/Anaheim was the real finals because it was a lot closer. I wanted Tampa to win, but the close scores flattered them. Chicago controlled the whole series.

Nate Thompson, the 'playoff-type' player Tampa dumped to the Ducks, had more ppg than any Tampa player had vs. Chicago in the finals.

I don't think anything has changed at all when it comes to winning in the playoffs, and it never will. And no, I am not saying line up a team full of 250lb goons either. Nor a team full of Nate Thompsons. It's always been about the combination of speed, strength and skill to get pucks to opposition nets. If you don't have enough of this, you'll never win.

Players that scored the most points per game against Chicago in the 2015 playoffs: Getzlaf 1.14, Silfverberg and Forsberg 1.0, Wilson, Smith, Neal, Ribeiro .83, Parise, Dumba .75, Fowler, Thompson .71. Finally Callahan and Hedman, Tampa's biggest and toughest players, at .67

Most goals scored against Chicago in the 2015 playoffs: Wilson 5, Forsberg and Neal 4, Kesler, Maroon, Belesky, Perry 3, Smith, Killorn, Paquette 2. Johnson, Kucherov, Garrison and 20 other players 1.

Anaheim/Chicago was the real finals. Nashville is pretty good. And the leading scorer in the playoffs, Tyler Johnson, didn't do anything in the finals.

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Just looked at the player types that had the most success against Chicago in the playoffs. Tampa's small snipers Johnson and Kucherov, for example, vanished against them. But Getzlaf and Anaheims power wingers racked up points against them, as well as Nashville's guys. I believe Chicago/Anaheim was the real finals because it was a lot closer. I wanted Tampa to win, but the close scores flattered them. Chicago controlled the whole series.

Nate Thompson, the 'playoff-type' player Tampa dumped to the Ducks, had more ppg than any Tampa player had vs. Chicago in the finals.

I don't think anything has changed at all when it comes to winning in the playoffs, and it never will. And no, I am not saying line up a team full of 250lb goons either. Nor a team full of Nate Thompsons. It's always been about the combination of speed, strength and skill to get pucks to opposition nets. If you don't have enough of this, you'll never win.

Players that scored the most points per game against Chicago in the 2015 playoffs: Getzlaf 1.14, Silfverberg and Forsberg 1.0, Wilson, Smith, Neal, Ribeiro .83, Parise, Dumba .75, Fowler, Thompson .71. Finally Callahan and Hedman, Tampa's biggest and toughest players, at .67

Most goals scored against Chicago in the 2015 playoffs: Wilson 5, Forsberg and Neal 4, Kesler, Maroon, Belesky, Perry 3, Smith, Killorn, Paquette 2. Johnson, Kucherov, Garrison and 20 other players 1.

Anaheim/Chicago was the real finals. Nashville is pretty good. And the leading scorer in the playoffs, Tyler Johnson, didn't do anything in the finals.

That's what happens when your best playoff center, Tyler Johnson, breaks his wrist.

Imagine if Toews broke his wrist.

Don't say Stammer is more comparable to Toews, because in the playoffs he was not.

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That's what happens when your best playoff center, Tyler Johnson, breaks his wrist.

Imagine if Toews broke his wrist.

Don't say Stammer is more comparable to Toews, because in the playoffs he was not.

Kinda hard to take a wrist shot when your wrist is broken.

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At #23 if you are Benning you take a Defenseman if you believe they are going to be top 4 on your team one day. If Benning feels that the forwards available have a better chance to play in the teams top six than you take a forward.

In the NHL today with the salary cap, 3rd and 4th line forwards and 5th and 6th defensemen have no value. I know that character is important, but skill should trump all else unless the players compete level is nonexistent. Tampa Bay has shown that it's OK to take a chance on Russians and players with character issues (Anthony DeAngelo).

How we should draft!

Skill>Compete Level> Speed> Size> Defensive Awareness

Defensive Awareness is the only thing that can be taught!

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Don't say Stammer is more comparable to Toews, because in the playoffs he was not.

Wasn't the topic of discussion the type of players you build a cup-winning team around? Regardless of the numbers they put up in the playoffs, Stamkos is the guy Tampa has built their team around so I don't think it's unfair to make that comparison.

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