MoneypuckOverlord Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 That's what happens when your best playoff center, Tyler Johnson, breaks his wrist. Imagine if Toews broke his wrist. Don't say Stammer is more comparable to Toews, because in the playoffs he was not. Personally I think whether they were healthy or not, Chicago would have still won. Injuries is part of the game. They had it down packed, champion ship pedigry. At the same time if you ask me, take Ducan Keith away from that team, probably have 0 cups right now. Take him away, they are as good as The Canucks maybe. http://www.tsn.ca/jeremy-roy-defence-1.293996 I'm down for Jeremy Roy. We need a smart offensive dman on our team. I take a Dan Boyle type of dman right now over an "all around" Dman or a "All round" centermans. Don't be retarded guys, we have our "All round" Centermans as we've racked em up the past few years McCann, Gaunce, Horvat. and you guys want all around dmans, we have a bunch of them right now, and is it really helping us? hell no, and they are easily acquirable through free agency, meanwhile offensive dmans are more rare. Jeremy Roy or Oliver Kylington. http://www.tsn.ca/oliver-kylington-defence-1.293881 I'm just going to shake my head if we end drafting another "All around player" It's like drafting a Jason Garrison is you seriously ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derp... Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Yeah you would, but everybody else has him in the 4th round. Sebastian Asho (Finland) SCOUTS: ISS: 61 Pronman: 28 McKenzie: 77 Button: 50 CA: 31Who is your everyone!? (And don't try and pull the oh I thought you were talking about the Swedish one...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baer. Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Sebastian Asho (Finland) SCOUTS: ISS: 61 Pronman: 28 McKenzie: 77 Button: 50 CA: 31Who is your everyone!? (And don't try and pull the oh I thought you were talking about the Swedish one...)Just seen people put him lower is all, poor choice of words on my part. Also arent some of those rankings for euros only? Or am I mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanTSN Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 That's what happens when your best playoff center, Tyler Johnson, breaks his wrist. Imagine if Toews broke his wrist. Don't say Stammer is more comparable to Toews, because in the playoffs he was not. A broken wrist is a common injury in the playoffs and it's only when a team loses do you hear it as an excuse. To think that Chicago got through injury free is naive. But it's about what player types win, and assembling a good mix, then supporting those players with all the help they require. On that note, OMG Cole Cassels played through a bigtime hand injury and still plowed through the memorial cup, shutting McDavid in the process. No losing or whining about the hand from him. Keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derp... Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Just seen people put him lower is all, poor choice of words on my part. Also arent some of those rankings for euros only? Or am I mistaken. I'm pretty sure the only euro vs NA rankings come from CSS and are not updated that frequently as we get closer to the draft. pretty sure he was ranked the 16th best Euro. Statically he's got top 3 upside, but his chance to get there will be limited by his ability to play the NA game. I can honestly see him as being the Marko Dano of this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baer. Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 I can honestly see him as being the Marko Dano of this draft. Wouldn't that be nice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnLocke Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 At #23 if you are Benning you take a Defenseman if you believe they are going to be top 4 on your team one day. If Benning feels that the forwards available have a better chance to play in the teams top six than you take a forward. In the NHL today with the salary cap, 3rd and 4th line forwards and 5th and 6th defensemen have no value. I know that character is important, but skill should trump all else unless the players compete level is nonexistent. Tampa Bay has shown that it's OK to take a chance on Russians and players with character issues (Anthony DeAngelo). How we should draft! Skill>Compete Level> Speed> Size> Defensive Awareness Defensive Awareness is the only thing that can be taught! Can you teach Sbisa and Vey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanTSN Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Defensive ability>Defensive awareness You can teach Linden Vey how to position himself as a checker, and a grinding bottom-6 guy and get him to kill penalties, but what good would that do if opponents just brush him aside, hammer him on the boards, and send him flying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiftynifty Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 I like Crouse more and more; this guy is very smart. His answer for favourite NHL team is "Ask me after the draft". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnLocke Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 We have to draft Brock Boeser. His favourite band is One Direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 At #23 if you are Benning you take a Defenseman if you believe they are going to be top 4 on your team one day. If Benning feels that the forwards available have a better chance to play in the teams top six than you take a forward. In the NHL today with the salary cap, 3rd and 4th line forwards and 5th and 6th defensemen have no value. I know that character is important, but skill should trump all else unless the players compete level is nonexistent. Tampa Bay has shown that it's OK to take a chance on Russians and players with character issues (Anthony DeAngelo). How we should draft! Skill>Compete Level> Speed> Size> Defensive Awareness Defensive Awareness is the only thing that can be taught! What kind of "skill"? To my mind this formula is too limiting. I'm going to assume that you mean offensive skill. This is handy to have, but are you suggesting that no one ever had to be taught how to get off a better wrist shot, or how to develop a good backhand? And what about passing, is that something which a player can do well without hours of practice? Nobody ever had to develop their vision to see the ice better, even if they were already talented in that area? Compete level is also something which I see being a learned (or perhaps developed) skill. Yes, there are people who have more drive than others, but this doesn't mean that the players out there didn't learn to up their compete level through years of play in the junior system. Speed is a natural skill which can't be taught, but you can develop players to be become "faster" or quicker on their skates. You can also teach players to become stronger on their skates. Mason Raymond is fast, Some would argue that Raymond is not particularly strong on his skates and that he can be pushed over too easily. Size is something which can be improved upon, and a player can be trained to use his size well. You aren't going to train Shinkaruk to become 6'5" and 220 lbs, however he is developing himself and getting bigger, within the limits of his frame and for the style of game which he needs to play to be at the NHL level. Defensive awareness is far more important than you suggest (by ranking it last). It is perhaps the most difficult skill learn, which perhaps explains why it is something at which comparatively so few players are good. Also, people tend to cheer louder for 50 goal scorers who are -10 rather than guys guys score 10 goals and are +50. Would you take a guy at 23 who has a huge amount offensive skill and blazing speed, but is lacking in compete level, has limited size and no defensive ability? If another guy, who was pegged to be the next Bob Gainey was also sitting at 23, would you take him over the the first guy? Gainey had compete level, speed, size and defensive awareness in spades. Offensive ability was perhaps his least significant asset (and h was still pretty good in that area). Personally, I'd risk taking the Gainey clone and see if I could develop his offense. The AHL is littered with guys who were the next great offensive stars who could never make the next step. For your points, I'd suggest that the things which are obvious are obvious. If a guy is big, or if he has offensive skill or is a fast skater then those are noted and set aside. Compete level and defensive awareness would be the things upon which I would focus. They seem go hand in hand more often than not. And what about being smart and coachable? Lots of folks like those aspects in a young player. I would find a few guys who I like for their compete level/defensive awareness and hockey smarts/coachablity, and then compare them for the other aspects of their game (speed, size and offensive skill), and then make my selection. You can do this either for skaters in general, or you can break it down for forwards and d-men if you have a greater need in one area over another (goalies are a bit apart in this). regards, G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baumerman77 Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Has anyone seen Veeti Vainio play or have any information on him. Statistically, he looks like he could be a real steal in the third round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Monahan Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Has anyone seen Veeti Vainio play or have any information on him. Statistically, he looks like he could be a real steal in the third round. http://canucksarmy.com/2015/6/13/nation-network-prospect-profiles-41-veeti-vainio Intriguing to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRAZY_4_NAZZY Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 I'm intrigued with Keegan Kolesar A gritty two-way winger with the hard-nosedness and work ethic to frustrate opponents every time he is on the ice. Possesses good awareness in all three zones and knows how to backcheck hard; however, this doesn't take away from his offensive ability, as he has shown flashes of great offensive playmaking and finishing ability. All-in-all, a physical two-way winger that consistently plays to his strengths and is productive with his ice time. projected towards being in the late second to to early third round. Is a big boy too at 6'2''/216lbs. Plays the right wing, shoots right, which would fit our need on that right side. Would be a great pick up if we could get him...sounds a lot like a Joel Ward type player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Does anybody know what time the draft starts on Friday? And Saturday? Last year I recall around like 10-11 or something on the first day and like 8am on the second. Anyone know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 I'm intrigued with Keegan Kolesar projected towards being in the late second to to early third round. Is a big boy too at 6'2''/216lbs. Plays the right wing, shoots right, which would fit our need on that right side. Would be a great pick up if we could get him...sounds a lot like a Joel Ward type player. What a beastly name.. Keegan Kolesar Kolesar the krusher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baumerman77 Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Does anybody know what time the draft starts on Friday? And Saturday? Last year I recall around like 10-11 or something on the first day and like 8am on the second. Anyone know? I think it starts at 7:00 PM ET (4:00 PM PT) on Friday and 10:00 AM ET (7:00 AM PT) on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Apparently Andersson's weaknesses are gap control and he's a little slower. Other than that, he's been compared to Drew Doughty and Aaron Ekblad. He's good in most areas. I think he's either really good and that's just how good of a draft it is this year (remember how low Hintz and Jones are ranked, not to mention Boeser and Gurianov) or the people who scouted him scouted him during a bad game and/or used small sample sizes. From TSN Draftcentre and Bob Mac: Rasmus has excellent confidence playing in every regard. He's strong with the puck but doesn’t force plays and sees a variety of options. He makes passes that create very good offensive opportunities and has a shot that gets to the net. Continued improvement in the areas of quickness and agility will only make his game that much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 I think it starts at 7:00 PM ET (4:00 PM PT) on Friday and 10:00 AM ET (7:00 AM PT) on Saturday.Aww that makes me sad. I start work at 4 lol. Thanks for the info though baumerman I'm curious to see where van sompel goes. I like what I've seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 rasmus please guys gonna be a stud and pilon will help our d corp rantanen and zacha for forwards somehow i hope benning gets at least 2/4 of these guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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