Provost Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 As it stands with their contracts, Phaneuf and Kessel are virtually untradeable. Some team would take a flyer on them but not be willing to give assets in return for taking on those contracts. I don't think Nonis has the cahones to make this type of deal, but here is a thought. If Toronto was willing to eat $2 million in cap hit on either of those guys, they suddenly become worth a lot. They are great players, just overpaid for their contribution and because they are complementary and not frachise guys. Toronto can afford to retain some cap hit because they really need to rebuild and will have cheap young guys on ELCs for a while. To Vancouver Either Kessel or Phaneuf ($2 million retained cap) Franson To Toronto: Kassian Hansen Prospect (Gaunce? Shinkaruk?) Conditional 2nd round pick if we re-sign Franson We get a legit player for the top half of our lineup signed to term with a cheap contract. Toronto gets pieces to start a rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRussianRocket. Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 wut dafuq Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerrDrFunk Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 And Nonis blocks Benning's number immediately afterwards. Seriously, this is one of the worst proposals I've ever seen on here. Why not call Pittsburgh and offer up Higgins for Crosby and Malkin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Franson wants $5+ million Even at $2 million retained Phaneuf and Kessel would cost around $5 million and $6 million respectively. That's adding $10 to $11 million to our cap with only a $3.5 million reduction ish so...still adding $6.5 to $7.5 million Not worth it for us, Franson could walk and we cannot eat that cap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Franson wants $5+ million Even at $2 million retained Phaneuf and Kessel would cost around $5 million and $6 million respectively. That's adding $10 to $11 million to our cap with only a $3.5 million reduction ish so...still adding $6.5 to $7.5 million Not worth it for us, Franson could walk and we cannot eat that cap Exactly, and if Toronto's trading one of Phanuef or Kessel that opens up room for them to try and keep Franson. I'm not sure why they'd move two such players in a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 We'd be planning the parade if we got Kessel for that package alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 You really think that another team wouldn't offer more for Kessel at a reduced cap hit? Seriously??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted January 26, 2015 Author Share Posted January 26, 2015 You really think that another team wouldn't offer more for Kessel at a reduced cap hit? Seriously??? They almost certainly would... the question is whether we would offer more. In our situation I don't think we do that. I suspect that Toronto could get a top 10 pick in this year's draft in return for a reduced cap hit trade for one of those guys. I think that they should retain some cap hit in order to start reshaping their team. It shows how different the value is for Kessel and Phaneuf if you take their contracts out of the equation. Without retaining salary, Toronto would have difficulty unloading either guy and get anything of value in return. For example, without a reduced cap hit I wouldn't to the deal above. Aside from not having the space, each guy is signed until forever and overpaid. Start easing the cap hit and they could have gold on their hands. Will Nonis do it? Nothing in his history suggests he is capable of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bp79 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Holy crap this is the worst prop for so many reasons. First off kessel and franson are worth so much more thenkass shink and a 2nd. I mean homer much? plus there eating salerylol I swear ea nhl franchise has turned kids and young adults into tards when it comes to trading. I won't go into why the dion instead of kessel prop is just as bad but for the nucks. I don't usually comment in a negative way except to downunder whatever hisname is, but wow this is just really bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted January 26, 2015 Author Share Posted January 26, 2015 Holy crap this is the worst prop for so many reasons. First off kessel and franson are worth so much more thenkass shink and a 2nd. I mean homer much? plus there eating salerylol I swear ea nhl franchise has turned kids and young adults into tards when it comes to trading. I won't go into why the dion instead of kessel prop is just as bad but for the nucks. I don't usually comment in a negative way except to downunder whatever hisname is, but wow this is just really bad I don't know anything about EA NHL... but if it makes people's grammar and spelling atrocious, then you may have played too much. The Leafs will be lucky to get a 2nd round pick for Franson. He is a UFA rental who is going to be paid more than market value in the summer. Teams aren't exactly knocking down the door to take on Kessel at $10 million per season and/or Phaneuf at $8 million per season with their current contracts. No non-playoff team is going to trade their 1st round pick this year until at least the lottery happens and they know what pick they have. As I said, they could get a greater return from another team most likely... but don't kid yourself on the number of suitors to take on those contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Franson will likely fetch more than a 2nd round pick. Defense are in demand in this league right now. While the contracts of Kessel or Phaneuf aren't great, it doesn't mean no one's going to try and get one of them. I think you're severely undervaluing their market value. Bad contracts do not mean they will fetch hardly anything. Right now you seem to think they are similar to Wade Redden's contract. Redden's play literally fell off the map. This is not the case with any of these players even with the "Leaf hate". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojo Jojo Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Kessel isn't signed at 10 mil per season. He's signed at 8 mil for the next 7 seasons. He's their best player and Nonis isn't stupid enough to trade him to Vancouver for the above package. Teams like Nashville or the Penguins could offer way better packages for Phil alone even without retaining salarly. Nashville may not trade Jones for Kessel but Polie would easily offer 1st + Fiala + Smith + Stalberg (cap dump) Penguins is another team which could offer a player Maatta + for Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyhee Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 They almost certainly would... the question is whether we would offer more. In our situation I don't think we do that. I suspect that Toronto could get a top 10 pick in this year's draft in return for a reduced cap hit trade for one of those guys. I think that they should retain some cap hit in order to start reshaping their team. It shows how different the value is for Kessel and Phaneuf if you take their contracts out of the equation. Without retaining salary, Toronto would have difficulty unloading either guy and get anything of value in return. For example, without a reduced cap hit I wouldn't to the deal above. Aside from not having the space, each guy is signed until forever and overpaid. Start easing the cap hit and they could have gold on their hands. Will Nonis do it? Nothing in his history suggests he is capable of it. I have to agree that the contracts for Kessel (cap hit $8 per through 2022) and Phaneuf (cap hit $7 though 2021) seriously affect their trade value. Toronto obviously values them, but it's hard to imagine wanting to acquire those contracts and fitting those contracts (say Kessel and Franson) under the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted January 27, 2015 Author Share Posted January 27, 2015 Kessel isn't signed at 10 mil per season. He's signed at 8 mil for the next 7 seasons. He's their best player and Nonis isn't stupid enough to trade him to Vancouver for the above package. Teams like Nashville or the Penguins could offer way better packages for Phil alone even without retaining salarly. Nashville may not trade Jones for Kessel but Polie would easily offer 1st + Fiala + Smith + Stalberg (cap dump) Penguins is another team which could offer a player Maatta + for Phil $10 million actual dollars and $8 million cap. That is an important consideration for his trade value as teams with lots of cap space tend to have an internal cap of real dollars and aren't going to buck up $10 million. Most teams with lots of money don't have that kind of cap space. Toronto isn't going to trade away one of these guys only to take a bad contract back (unless it is expiring this year), they will want to be getting out from under the bad cap hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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