Robongo Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Month by month breakdown and where we are trending.. 2014-2015 October: 34 goals in 10 games = 3.40 Goals Per Game November: 41 Goals in 14 games = 2.93 Goals Per Game December: 28 Goals in 11 games = 2.55 Goals Per Game (Including a 7 goal game against PHX) January: 21 Goals in 11 games = 1.91 Goals Per Game(one game left to play) Not liking the look of this trend.. Total to date: 124 goals in 46 games = 2.70 GPG This is all without any significant injuries up front this year. Just for comparisons sake here is last year 2013-2014: October: 41 goals in 14 games = 2.93 GPG November: 32 goals in 13 games = 2.46 GPG December: 37 goals in 13 games = 2.85 GPG January: 31 goals in 15 games = 2.06 GPG Total to date : 140 goals in 56 games = 2.50 GPG (122 goals in 46 games = 2.65 GPG, same point as we are now ) it obviously got much worse.. Finished the season last season with : 196 goals in 2.39 GPG Good news is: we will probably get a bit over 200 goals and beat last years pathetic totals..The bad news is: we will probably only get a bit over 200 goals and barely beat last years pathetic totals.. Wasn't just Torts after all, eh guys? Hopefully Linden and Benning realize this and move out a few more of the old core sooner rather than later. Too much dead weight on this roster. The old adage "if you put lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig" applies here I'd say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desiboynux4lifee******* Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 trade the core please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linden17 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 It's frustrating for sure but I think we should get use to it. We have been spoiled for the most part of a decade and a half and every team goes through transitions. I'm fine with this given we are devolping young talent and not trading away the future just for a playoff appearance . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliewud Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 trade lack and kassian for a top 15 pick and higgins for a 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagofcats Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 trade lack and kassian for a top 15 pick and higgins for a 2nd. Lack and Kassian together might get you a 2nd and Higgins is a 4th at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 trade the core please Let's wait for the next game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Too many defensive d men.Got to upgrade and not by moving Edler or waiting three/four years for a Subban or Forsling to appear as our savior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamth Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Sedins played the same game every team knows - when u have lost 0-3 against the Ducks - why would u not try anything different in the way of playing. Like seriously i can put my 5 yr old kid beat the ducks .... Well be having whale meat for a long time without a Kesler kind of player. Miller was fine - Edler and Tanev were fine - the rest of them - Turn the Tv off. Note: while Corrado isstill growing ... the hamhus / corrado didn't WORK LAST TIME- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dura_mater Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 trade lack and kassian for a top 15 pick and higgins for a 2nd.The market for a starting goalie is pathetic; even worse for an unproven one. Kassian was a top 15 pick and can barely hold a roster spot. No offense, but you're delusional if you think we're getting a top 15 pick back for those 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Tighten up yer back end, & kiss the pig? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.53 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 That was Anaheim. That happens again with second tier playoff teams like Minnesota, or Winnipeg even, then I'll be concerned. I just think the California teams are structurally built to take out the Canucks. I'm not saying they did it purposefully, but as you can tell we never match up well against them. Personally, I would take a St Louis or Minnesota over a San Jose or Anaheim, in a playoff series any day of the week. I think for the next California team we should try splitting up the twins. See how that works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Lack and Kassian together might get you a 2nd and Higgins is a 4th at best. If dorsett fetched a 3rd, pretty sure Higgins can go for a 3rd, if not a late 2nd. Other comparable Pahlsson = 2 x 4th rounder Torres = 3rd rounder Gaustad = 1st rounder Oduya = 2nd and 3rd Lapierre = 3rd rounder Higgins = 3rd rounder when we acquire him from Florida, if anything is value is higher now than it was in Florida. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJDDawg Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Of course it wasn't Torts. Essentially the same core...only weaker with no Kes, and a bunch of third and fourth liners in the bottom 9 of the lineup. So where we're at is not surprising at all. But I've always viewed this season and the next two as transition years for this club anyway, and with any luck, by the time the twins retire (or go to the Wings for one season to try to win a Cup), our top young prospects will be ready to make an impact. In the meantime, expect Sedinery in October and November against non-playoff teams, then watch both their scoring and any secondary scoring dry up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aqua59 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 I believe the only coach retained from last year was their pp guy. Same results same group. No trade contracts by Gillis are a real pain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 The reason the Sedin's struggle later in the season, is linked to lack of secondary scoring. The Sedins are one line. It's no secret you keep them to the outside, block the passing lanes, and you neutralize their attack. If the secondary scoring from the next three lines can't score then this team gets shut out. We need a 2nd, 3rd and 4th line that can score with consistency. The Sedins aren't the problem. Our 2nd and 3rd lines are. The other issue is hitting. They stated on the broadcast last night the Canucks are last in hitting. Hitting does two things. It throws your opponent off on timing, and allows for turnovers. As much as I like Hansen, and Higgins, and Kassian. They don't score. Those are the players I'd look at trading. Honestly I'd call up Archibald, Gaunce, and Shinkaruk. See if the young players will hit. And maybe spark some offence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice orca Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 The reason the Sedin's struggle later in the season, is linked to lack of secondary scoring. The Sedins are one line. It's no secret you keep them to the outside, block the passing lanes, and you neutralize their attack. If the secondary scoring from the next three lines can't score then this team gets shut out. We need a 2nd, 3rd and 4th line that can score with consistency. The Sedins aren't the problem. Our 2nd and 3rd lines are. The other issue is hitting. They stated on the broadcast last night the Canucks are last in hitting. Hitting does two things. It throws your opponent off on timing, and allows for turnovers. As much as I like Hansen, and Higgins, and Kassian. They don't score. Those are the players I'd look at trading. Honestly I'd call up Archibald, Gaunce, and Shinkaruk. See if the young players will hit. And maybe spark some offence. They are last in hits because the coach plays a passive game, Gaunce and Shink aint going to change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherCanucksFan Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 I'd be interested in seeing a deeper examination of the numbers. In the last 2 years, what has caused the steady decline in goal per game? Is the steady decline due to speciality team issues, Sedins getting tired, lack of secondary scoring, or ? Is there any commonality between this year and last in terms of a decline in scoring. It seems that this year in the beginning the new players revitalized the scoring and the team felt more confident with the new players. Once the new player's scoring slowed down, the team started losing confidence. To some extent the Sedins lost confidence in their team mates ability to keep scoring, so the burden of the 1st line to do all the scoring is too much. The 1st line and secondary lines feed off of each other, so when one or the other scores less it causes a ripple effect and overall confidence goes down. When confidence is low, players stop playing as a team and everything breaks down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Who said Torts was the reason for lack of scoring? We have been like that since the 2011 SCF.... We start out fine, then dwindle as the season or a series goes on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Oh look, another thread telling us what's wrong with the Canucks... We're a better overall team being run by a better coach, but it doesn't mean we're improving individually, producing more offence or suddenly becoming contenders. Same impression I had coming into the season as I do now. Tighten up yer back end, & kiss the pig? I laughed at this one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 My issue with this roster is that it is not a serious CUP contending group and my expectation is that Linden and Benning know it and will make changes. Changes that enable this group to struggle into a playoff round does not help this team over the long term. For those that argue otherwise one must conclude that any team that makes playoffs is a legit CUP contender. I consider that ridiculous. I stand by the assertion that by the end of the 2012 season this group should have undergone a serious rebuild. The good aspect of this org is the establishment of new management and the introduction of younger talent to the line up. It is not even close to adequate yet. A 18-27 year old timeline is priority. The Twins are getting a real flyer. Their performance has continued to track down which should be expected. They log serious TOI with premium ozone starts and PP time. Opposing defenses have long figured out reducing their effectiveness. Regular season is not playoffs and CUP defenses are even tougher on the Twins. Vrbata was a great add to improve the Twins PPG but that move is transitional at best. Fans blame the 2nd lines lack of production impacting the effectiveness of the 1st line. That is true but then one must ask when will an effective 2nd line appear. If it is not close then a decision on moving vets has to be made. When I look at the depth in other orgs I cannot take much comfort on the Canuck future. My preference is move all vets older than 30 except for Burrows and Hamhuis. That said all are tradeable based on the return. Even trade Miller at the deadline for maximum draft return. Run Lack and Marky next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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