Junkyard Dog Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 We have to move some veterans. Benning has created a logjam on our roster by bringing in young guys. There's nothing wrong with that but he's going to have to make moves before the deadline. Benning pointed out in an interview that our older core was getting tired as the schedule went on when he acknowledged our lack of scoring and stated that younger teams fair off better in the schedule with fresher legs. We will be sellers at the Trade Deadline not buyers. Burrows, Higgins, Hansen are all here long term. I like Burrows but his contract is awful and if we can't get rid of him then we should move Higgins. We need Hansen's speed moving forward. Richardson and Matthias are upcoming UFA's. Do we see these guys re-signing? If not then we should move them so we don't lose them for nothing. However I do think we should try to re-sign Matthias out of them both. Do we see Sbisa and Weber on this roster next year? Especially with guys like Corrado, Stanton and Clendening here next year? Might as well move them before the deadline as well. This is a very strong draft coming up and we saw what kind of guys Benning could draft with a 5th round pick. Might as well trade enough veterans to solve this logjam and stock up on some picks and prospects. I doubt our roster takes a huge blow with these moves. In fact it could actually benefit from it with bringing in hungrier younger players like Kenins, Corrado and Clendening while also giving a player like Kassian back a regular spot. Will be interesting to see what Benning does moving forward but one thing is certain. Moves have to be made and moving veterans make the most sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Barzal Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 inb4 this turns into a Kassian thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanTSN Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I agree, but the team might be worried about the optics of selling. Maybe if we remember how much better San Jose played when they sold off some of their declining assets, it would be more acceptable. Besides, the team isn't exactly lighting it up as currently-constructed. They look slower than they've been in years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 wow, you must be in bennings inner circle....we could get all the inner dope from you...like who is he going to pick up and who he is going to draft...this is exciting for us, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beluga Whale Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Trade Kassian for a 3rd rounder before his value gets even lower imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 JYD, Appreciate your overall outlook, but buyers are gonna rule the day. League-wide, I sense injuries(particularly concussions) are down. Not too many teams need bodies, as things stand. Then factor in that the East is already decided. The top-8 are gonna stick..thus sellers & buyers virtually split down the middle. The bins are piled high with refuse/old stock, teams wanna' deal. Every sane GM wants extra picks this June. They won't come easy. Prob the bargains will carry right into the summer. So 6 mill in available cap(for example) is probably more valuable than many 6 mill players, who are signed/active right now. Not the best deadline for sellers, I'll bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrible.dee Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Matthias has got to go, His stock is high and all reports indicate he won't be resigning here, and even if he did we would need to over pay him due to NHL size fetish. Some body is going to pay way too much for him and I hope it isn't us, Burrows has earned the right to stay here and be a Canuck for life if that's what he wants. Hansen has some of that equity as well and I wouldn't move him unless he wants it. Both guys are excellent examples of "Pro intensity level" for the younger guys to model themselves after. Higgins? Great player but still a journeyman, would be a great asset for any team headed into the playoffs, his like a swiss army knife guy, can do a little bit of everything. He has some trade value and needs to go. I don't know that Sbisa has any real trade value, so dealing him would be about opening a spot for someone else because the return would be negligable. That having been said if Franky C. is ready let's go ahead and open the spot for him. In short, Higgins Mattias and maybe Sbisa, that's who I would sell off. Also, Richardson, forgot about him, he raised his stock through the roof this year, and is a perfect fit for any playoff bound team. We will never be able to get more for him, sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockhart Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 ^ where has it been mentioned that Matthias won't be re-signed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Matthias has got to go, His stock is high and all reports indicate he won't be resigning here, and even if he did we would need to over pay him due to NHL size fetish. Some body is going to pay way too much for him and I hope it isn't us, Burrows has earned the right to stay here and be a Canuck for life if that's what he wants. Hansen has some of that equity as well and I wouldn't move him unless he wants it. Both guys are excellent examples of "Pro intensity level" for the younger guys to model themselves after. Higgins? Great player but still a journeyman, would be a great asset for any team headed into the playoffs, his like a swiss army knife guy, can do a little bit of everything. He has some trade value and needs to go. I don't know that Sbisa has any real trade value, so dealing him would be about opening a spot for someone else because the return would be negligable. That having been said if Franky C. is ready let's go ahead and open the spot for him. In short, Higgins Mattias and maybe Sbisa, that's who I would sell off. Also, Richardson, forgot about him, he raised his stock through the roof this year, and is a perfect fit for any playoff bound team. We will never be able to get more for him, sell.. fully agree mattias higgins sbisa hansen one swede goalie richardson gone at deadline frees up 11.3 mill in cap space 13 if we get rid of kass cap space is valueable as is playing rookies that can contribute on elc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Matthias has got to go, His stock is high and all reports indicate he won't be resigning here, and even if he did we would need to over pay him due to NHL size fetish. Some body is going to pay way too much for him and I hope it isn't us, Burrows has earned the right to stay here and be a Canuck for life if that's what he wants. Hansen has some of that equity as well and I wouldn't move him unless he wants it. Both guys are excellent examples of "Pro intensity level" for the younger guys to model themselves after. Higgins? Great player but still a journeyman, would be a great asset for any team headed into the playoffs, his like a swiss army knife guy, can do a little bit of everything. He has some trade value and needs to go. I don't know that Sbisa has any real trade value, so dealing him would be about opening a spot for someone else because the return would be negligable. That having been said if Franky C. is ready let's go ahead and open the spot for him. In short, Higgins Mattias and maybe Sbisa, that's who I would sell off. Also, Richardson, forgot about him, he raised his stock through the roof this year, and is a perfect fit for any playoff bound team. We will never be able to get more for him, sell. Hansen intense every night? Is that right eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 ^ where has it been mentioned that Matthias won't be re-signed Just more baseless worry-worting. Matthias has said he loves it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Reasonable OP but I doubt if the Canucks will do much at the deadline. I don't see much of a market for any of the players the Canucks might want to move. Starting at the top: The Sedins will not be wiling to move and no-one would take on their contracts even if they were. Vrbata is good value at 5 million and will not be traded. Bonino is excellent value (although we would rather have him at 3C rather than 2C). He will not be traded. Burrows is not moveable with his cap hit. Higgins and Hansen might be moveable but not for much in return. Obviously Horvat is not going to be traded. Vey and Kennins are unlikely to be traded. That leaves Kassian, who could be traded, but not for much in return, and the UFAs: Dorsett, Richardson, and Matthias. I like all three but all are bottom 6 players and would be pure rentals for any team that signed them. I would be very surprised is any one of them could command as much as a 3rd round pick. On D, Sbisa has been disappointing for his cap hit and would not command much. I doubt if Weber and Stanton could generate anything in return. They might actually get through waivers. And Edler, Tanev, Hammer, Corrado and Glendenning are not going anywhere as the Canucks want to keep all of them. The likeliest move might a goalie as the Canucks will not be able to hang on to Miller, Lack, and Markstrom next year. Trading either Lack or Markstrom for a 2nd round pick or a 3rd round pick seems plausible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks1219 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Matthias has got to go, His stock is high and all reports indicate he won't be resigning here, and even if he did we would need to over pay him due to NHL size fetish. Some body is going to pay way too much for him and I hope it isn't us, Burrows has earned the right to stay here and be a Canuck for life if that's what he wants. Hansen has some of that equity as well and I wouldn't move him unless he wants it. Both guys are excellent examples of "Pro intensity level" for the younger guys to model themselves after. Higgins? Great player but still a journeyman, would be a great asset for any team headed into the playoffs, his like a swiss army knife guy, can do a little bit of everything. He has some trade value and needs to go. I don't know that Sbisa has any real trade value, so dealing him would be about opening a spot for someone else because the return would be negligable. That having been said if Franky C. is ready let's go ahead and open the spot for him. In short, Higgins Mattias and maybe Sbisa, that's who I would sell off. Also, Richardson, forgot about him, he raised his stock through the roof this year, and is a perfect fit for any playoff bound team. We will never be able to get more for him, sell. I was under the impression that Matthias loves it in Vancouver. So... sources please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 As always, his sources are fear, worry, and angst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bissurnette Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I agree with you in terms of the urgent need to sell at the deadline but I just don't think this team will do it. I think the owners are still manipulating management in a way that is crippling, either that or management and the coaching staff is just too stubborn to see that this core is too stale and too old to compete, which going back to ownership -- if Aquaman thinks this core will sell tickets he can keep dreaming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 wow, you must be in bennings inner circle....we could get all the inner dope from you...like who is he going to pick up and who he is going to draft...this is exciting for us, thank you.Wow someone is grumpy. Try Maalox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I agree with you in terms of the urgent need to sell at the deadline but I just don't think this team will do it. I think the owners are still manipulating management in a way that is crippling, either that or management and the coaching staff is just too stubborn to see that this core is too stale and too old to compete, which going back to ownership -- if Aquaman thinks this core will sell tickets he can keep dreaming Linden fired Tortorella, hired Benning and they together built this team. If the Aquilini's were micro-managing we would still have Torts and Kesler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanleysteamersmyl Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I believe we will trade Finn for Crazy George. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dasein Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Bolded = UFA Underlined = RFA D Sedin - H Sedin - Vrbata Higgins - Bonino - Burrows Matthias - Richardson - Vey Dorsett - Horvat - Hansen Kassian (13 forwards) Kenins (AHL without waivers) Edler - Tanev Hamhuis - Clendening (AHL without waivers) Sbisa - Bieksa Stanton Weber (8 defensemen) Corrado (AHL without waivers) Miller Lack (2 goaltenders) = 23 man NHL roster = what log jam? Also, you don't move out UFAs automatically out of fear you can't re-sign them - that is only in the case of big name stars who can get you big assets. In the case of guys like Matthias and Richardson (bottom 6), you weigh the option of the minimal return vs. their contribution to the team if we kept them. In the case for both, we are better off keeping them to try and make the playoffs and win at least one playoff game (last time we did was 2012...) I'm not saying we're not going to move any of our veterans at the trade deadline - I'm just saying that we are not forced to make any moves because of the availability of bodies that can play in the NHL, which is what you are suggesting with the "logjam" thing you got going in the OP. However, given the recent surge of young players showing that they are capable of playing in the NHL, if a trade offer is on the table, JB can ship a veteran out with ease knowing that we do have talent in the farm that can come up and contribute. IN that sense, these young guys provide JB a green light to go ahead and deal some of our veterans if the right offer comes along, but they are not forcing JB to make a trade even if it's not there for him. We'll see what happens though - still a lot of hockey left where a lot of things can change for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bissurnette Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Wow someone is grumpy. Try Maalox. Right? Linden fired Tortorella, hired Benning and they together built this team. If the Aquilini's were micro-managing we would still have Torts and Kesler. No, it's a perfect marketing plot to sell the fans on the mantra that "change is coming" but really but only got rid of core members that this team had to get rid of because Kesler and Luongo simply didn't want to be here. For the most part however, this floater core remains intact and still getting the same privileged treatment they got under the previous regime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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