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Ya ive heard of the salary cap thanks.... Grabners cap hit is 3m, salary is 5m for next year....

Higgins is 2.5m and lack is 1.15m

so we actually would save 650k if we dealt both or would only be adding 500k and getting a forward 4years younger with a contraact that ends a year sooner.

So my question is, what is wrong with any of what i said? your cap number isnt correct about grabner, I am aware of the cap hits of these players i dont spit out info that im not sure on

Grabner doesnt have a well rounded game? Im sorry he is used on the PK in NY and has scored short handed goals for them created by his great foot speed.

defensive game? Sorry dont we have enough bottom 6 forwards who have that already? We need scoring and have more than enough defensive types on the team

Anything else you want to say?

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My point is what if he expects $5M on his next deal because that's where his salary ended up? Good thing we traded for him only to find we can't agree on a new deal, eh?

And if we trade Higgins and Lack but only bring back Grabner, then we'd be short a goalie. But wait, we happen to have a pretty good one we can call up in Markstrom - but of course his cap hit is higher than Lack's.

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My point is what if he expects $5M on his next deal because that's where his salary ended up? Good thing we traded for him only to find we can't agree on a new deal, eh?

And if we trade Higgins and Lack but only bring back Grabner, then we'd be short a goalie. But wait, we happen to have a pretty good one we can call up in Markstrom - but of course his cap hit is higher than Lack's.

He is going to expect a salary the player of his caliber deserves. The Isles backloaded his contract precisely because they wanted to keep his cap hit low in the early years of his contract. He is not going to want 5M just because his contract was structured to pay him that in his final year. That would be silly and I am sure he has an agent who is not stupid enough to think so.

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Hes not a ufa this year. if we got 1 yr out of him realized he wanted too much then he can be moved for a pick. If he excels here and is scoring then he might be worth his asking price. all in all its trying to move out an asset to bring in someone younger who has more offense to his game. higgins for grabner is a fair deal for both teams

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I'm just saying it's not all so easy as it sounds. Grabner could decide he wants $4+M on his next deal, or he could not play well and we'd have trouble getting a return for him. I'd rather move Higgins and Lack (if we were going to) for picks and prospects than try to do it all over again with Grabner.

We should know what we're getting at this point in Grabner since he's 27 now, and that's a speedy forward who's been averaging less than 0.5 points per game if you look past his one really good season. Higgins has been doing that too, but with a few better seasons of late.

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I'd take Grabner. I'd consider,

NYI: Higgins or Sbisa

VAN: Grabner

I think VAN could use Grabner's speed. And good for PP#2, Grabner's RS would be > Higgins LS. NYI has Grabner playing a bottom 6 role similar to Higgins, VAN has been trying Higgins in a top 6 role and 2nd PP...... Good trade I think for both teams.

I've read NYI want a physical Dman so Sbisa may be more of a fit. I'd rather give up Sbisa than Higgins if it were a choice. Sbisa's spot is the easiest to fill via waivers or FA. Or call-up Peter Andersson from Utica.

Lack for Grabner would be a mistake. Too good in the back-up role to risk it trading for 1.5 years of Grabner.

Kassian for Grabner is also a mistake. Kassian's lower cap hit makes him a better option. Potential for success is probably about equal over the next 1.5 years given equal opportunities.

I think Grabner may fetch or NYI will expect more. From another team. Like a 2nd round pick. Which I wouldn't want VAN to give up. I'd hate him to see him go to ANA or LAK.

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wouldnt swap higgins for grabner? Gets us younger, give islanders a veteran forward with playoff experience who could help their very young forward group heading into the playoffs.

PLus he should waive to go play close to home?

add lack for their 3rd this year

grabner provides more offense than higgins, and can still be a pker, aswell as 2nd unit pp.

But i do get it about bringing back ex canucks

Of course we'd do higgins for Grabner. Higgins would slso help their 30th ranked PK

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You guys clearly haven't watched him play outside of the Canucks.

I have.

Grabner's having 'low' numbers because he's been placed on a 'checking' role. Capuano has even put him on the PK, for his speed/tenacity, as well as the potential for SH goals.

Even then, he's putting up a respectable amount of points doing so.

He's absolutely horrendous on defence. A waste of a position. Wouldn't want that plug running around trying to score all the time thinking about himself.

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He's absolutely horrendous on defence. A waste of a position. Wouldn't want that plug running around trying to score all the time thinking about himself.

A 'plug' isn't regularly put on the PK, as Capuano does to him.

I thought that putting Grabner on checking lines/PK would waste his potential, but he's adapted very well. You just don't know what you're talking about.

He's largely been invisible for everyone else because they only look at the stats sheet. He's a much more complete player than when he was drafted.

This season - and most of last season - he's been injured.

Here's an article to be better informed of what Grabner does.

http://thehockeywriters.com/why-the-islanders-fourth-line-needs-michael-grabner/

Why The Islanders Fourth Line Needs Michael Grabner

Anthony Tartamella | October 28, 2014

If you were to ask ten Islander fans what they think of speedy Michael Grabner, there’s a good chance you’d get ten different answers. One might say that he’s destined to reclaim his form from his rookie season. Another might say that he’s a solid two way player, best suited for penalty kill time. Yet another might say that he’s a bust and the team should move on from him. However, I see Grabner in a slightly different light- an almost perfect fourth line wing for this Islander team.

Michael Grabner might just be the fastest skater in the NHL. However, outside of his first season with the club, Grabner’s point totals have not been remarkable. It was after that first year that Grabner secured a four year contract, and many assumed he’d become a solid second line player for years to come.

However, it seemed that the Gremlin could not find the back of the net with the same regularity that he once was able to. If not for his penalty killing prowess, he might’ve even found his way off the team at several times.

Now that the Islanders have become an extremely deep team, with both free agent additions and young players finally starting to mature, it seems as if Grabner’s role is no longer as secure as it once was.

So what does all this mean? Well, a few things, really- the team will likely have some sort of competition between Josh Bailey and Michael Grabner for a third line wing role (a competition Josh Bailey was winning before his hand was fractured), and it appears that the team wants to stick with the prospects and see how they can contribute. This was evidenced by the team calling up Anders

Lee to replace Colin McDonald’s spot.

It also seems that the team does not want a repeat of the Nino Niederreiter fiasco, so they’re not going to force players to not play in order to get veterans out on the ice more.

Should Bailey continue to produce when he comes back from injury, it looks as if that spot will be his, which is where this gets interesting. Has anyone really looked bad enough to warrant themselves losing a spot? The answer to that is, in my opinion, no.

Where are you going with this?

Well, it seems that every year Islander fans need a whipping boy, someone to blame for something the team hasn’t done well to this point. This year it seems as if this year, Matt Martin is that guy. He’s leading the league in hits once again, but his role is greatly diminished with the addition of Cal Clutterbuck to the fourth line.

It’s not outside the realm of possibility that Matt Martin could lose his starting spot with the Islanders. This is something once thought impossible by many fans, but with every game, it seems we’re getting closer to exactly that.

Once Michael Grabner comes back, swapping him into Matt Martin’s spot might just be the best thing for the team. Hear me out.

Grabner for Martin

Michael Grabner may not be the sniper he once was, and that may or may not ever come back. Regardless, Jack Capuano cannot live in the past regarding what Grabner did at one point. Instead, Grabner could slide into an energy or checking line role as a good defensive player with offensive upside. Seeing as Clutterbuck led the league in hits until Martin showed up on the scene, you’re not really losing the hitting factor you have, just reigning in the numbers a bit. Plus, swapping in Grabner here gives the fourth line three viable options to score goals at any given moment.

The Islanders use their fourth line more than any other team in the league, and having Matt Martin on that line for that many minutes per game is not ideal. If Capuano is sold on playing this energy line as much as he does, adding speed, offense and defense to the line can only help give up less goals.

This also would not be a player learning how to play with new players- Michael Grabner has logged minutes on a line with Cal Clutterbuck last year, so there is some chemistry there as well. Cizikas and Grabner also played penalty kill minutes with each other last year, where’s theres also chemistry.

A move like this would also demonstrate the offensive upside Cizikas has. A plus skater and passer, having a player like Grabner on his wing would surely be good for some goals against unsuspecting defenses.

This shouldn’t be seen as a demotion for Grabner, either. Remember, the Islanders use their fourth line more than anyone else, so he’d be getting his minutes and chances. The point here is that his game, mixed with the other player’s he’d be playing with, could create something better than the sum of their parts.

Matt Martin is a fan favorite for a lot of fans, but that shouldn’t blind people to the fact that he has been the weakest link on this team to this point. With a few weeks before Grabner’s return, he does have time to try and salvage his spot, but he’s going to have to work hard to do that. Many will root for him, but remember to root for the name on the front, not on the back, Islander fans.

Hardly considered a plug.

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I'd take Grabner. I'd consider,

NYI: Higgins or Sbisa

VAN: Grabner

I think VAN could use Grabner's speed. And good for PP#2, Grabner's RS would be > Higgins LS. NYI has Grabner playing a bottom 6 role similar to Higgins, VAN has been trying Higgins in a top 6 role and 2nd PP...... Good trade I think for both teams.

I've read NYI want a physical Dman so Sbisa may be more of a fit. I'd rather give up Sbisa than Higgins if it were a choice. Sbisa's spot is the easiest to fill via waivers or FA. Or call-up Peter Andersson from Utica.

Lack for Grabner would be a mistake. Too good in the back-up role to risk it trading for 1.5 years of Grabner.

Kassian for Grabner is also a mistake. Kassian's lower cap hit makes him a better option. Potential for success is probably about equal over the next 1.5 years given equal opportunities.

I think Grabner may fetch or NYI will expect more. From another team. Like a 2nd round pick. Which I wouldn't want VAN to give up. I'd hate him to see him go to ANA or LAK.

NYI doesn't need goaltending, so the Lack aspect is not necessary to include.

I think NYI might consider Kassian for Grabner, as a starting point, but Vancouver would definitely need to add parts in order for NYI to really bite at it.

Grabner's not super cheap, cap-wise, but he's not completely useless for NYI, even if he's not scoring. He's not 'one-dimensional' anymore.

I think Grabner would be good on this team.

Grabner with Hansen and Horvat?

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My point is what if he expects $5M on his next deal because that's where his salary ended up? Good thing we traded for him only to find we can't agree on a new deal, eh?

And if we trade Higgins and Lack but only bring back Grabner, then we'd be short a goalie. But wait, we happen to have a pretty good one we can call up in Markstrom - but of course his cap hit is higher than Lack's.

He is going to expect a salary the player of his caliber deserves. The Isles backloaded his contract precisely because they wanted to keep his cap hit low in the early years of his contract. He is not going to want 5M just because his contract was structured to pay him that in his final year. That would be silly and I am sure he has an agent who is not stupid enough to think so.

I'm just saying it's not all so easy as it sounds. Grabner could decide he wants $4+M on his next deal, or he could not play well and we'd have trouble getting a return for him. I'd rather move Higgins and Lack (if we were going to) for picks and prospects than try to do it all over again with Grabner.

We should know what we're getting at this point in Grabner since he's 27 now, and that's a speedy forward who's been averaging less than 0.5 points per game if you look past his one really good season. Higgins has been doing that too, but with a few better seasons of late.

IMHO, Grabner's not going to (and can't demand) 4 mill+, for what he brings to the table. He's inconsistent offensively, but defensively, he's much better than when he was drafted.

Now that he's structured his game to be more complete, I think 3-3.5 Mill is a fair deal, if he were a UFA (he's not). There's not as much pressure on him to 'produce', but he still has the skills to produce, along with his great skating speed.

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A 'plug' isn't regularly put on the PK, as Capuano does to him.

I thought that putting Grabner on checking lines/PK would waste his potential, but he's adapted very well. You just don't know what you're talking about.

He's largely been invisible for everyone else because they only look at the stats sheet. He's a much more complete player than when he was drafted.

This season - and most of last season - he's been injured.

Here's an article to be better informed of what Grabner does.

http://thehockeywriters.com/why-the-islanders-fourth-line-needs-michael-grabner/

Hardly considered a plug.

if you say so. I like the Isles a lot but I must not watch them as much as you. He's on the PK because he's fast though, not because he thinks the game well.

If he's learned more than absolutely nothing about defence since when he played for us then I guess he might be worthwhile. I don't see it though.

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if you say so. I like the Isles a lot but I must not watch them as much as you. He's on the PK because he's fast though, not because he thinks the game well.

If he's learned more than absolutely nothing about defence since when he played for us then I guess he might be worthwhile. I don't see it though.

Again, you're not put on the PK if you don't think the game well. He might not have 'off the charts' hockey IQ, like Tavares does, but it's because he anticipates plays that allow him to be a legitimate threat on the PK. Yes, his speed is one of them, but if you don't use your speed well, you might as well be glued to the bench.

He had 6 SHG during his career year on the Islanders - most (if not all) were breakaways which he created by stealing the puck from a predictable cross-ice pass. This was the year when he was waived. Supposedly, this was the year when he started to work even harder than before.

He's starting to round out his game and he's always been working out to stay in game shape, so it's not quite like before where there were rumors that he showed up to camp in a less than ideal shape - or the fact that he was 'one dimensional', as Mckenzie had analyzed him to be during the draft.

Whether or not he will be 'good enough' to make an impact on the Islanders, that will be a different story. But, he's finally on a good Islanders team that was, for many years, a poor one. When he was plucked off waivers, the Islanders were the worst team in the league (hence, they were first in line to pick him off).

If he doesn't succeed on a team like this, then it'll be on him, even if he was injured for most of this season due to sports hernia surgery. The remainder of this year and next year will be what will be looked at.

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Again, you're not put on the PK if you don't think the game well. He might not have 'off the charts' hockey IQ, like Tavares does, but it's because he anticipates plays that allow him to be a legitimate threat on the PK. Yes, his speed is one of them, but if you don't use your speed well, you might as well be glued to the bench.

He had 6 SHG during his career year on the Islanders - most (if not all) were breakaways which he created by stealing the puck from a predictable cross-ice pass. This was the year when he was waived. Supposedly, this was the year when he started to work even harder than before.

He's starting to round out his game and he's always been working out to stay in game shape, so it's not quite like before where there were rumors that he showed up to camp in a less than ideal shape - or the fact that he was 'one dimensional', as Mckenzie had analyzed him to be during the draft.

Whether or not he will be 'good enough' to make an impact on the Islanders, that will be a different story. But, he's finally on a good Islanders team that was, for many years, a poor one. When he was plucked off waivers, the Islanders were the worst team in the league (hence, they were first in line to pick him off).

If he doesn't succeed on a team like this, then it'll be on him, even if he was injured for most of this season due to sports hernia surgery. The remainder of this year and next year will be what will be looked at.

Well he's playing on a pretty awesome team, bumped down to the fourth line though for a speed finesse guy. I'll trust your judgment and pay more attention next time I watch them. It seems like you are watching a lot closer than I.

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Well he's playing on a pretty awesome team, bumped down to the fourth line though for a speed finesse guy. I'll trust your judgment and pay more attention next time I watch them. It seems like you are watching a lot closer than I.

You're exactly right about this. He's currently a victim of the depth of the Islanders. The worse team that you have, the more chances that you're in. New prospects might be good for the fans and all, but not necessarily good for players that are middling it out on a roster.

Grabner doesn't need to score 50 goals to be considered 'good enough' on the Isles lineup, but he needs to not be a liability for his team as a start. He isn't at the moment, but he'll need to be better than that, since the prospects are coming up to take their jobs.

DEY TUK R JOOOBS.

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