J.I.A.H.N Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Nashville trades 2015 - 1st. and 2016 - 3rd. (possible 2nd) if Nash makes the finals. for Chris Higgins, Zack Kassian and a 2015 -5th Higgins and Kassian will help Nashville through their long playoff run and Nashville's 1st is very much like a 2nd in with their position, their 3rd is again much like a 4th. I think it is a fair offer, if Kassian takes off and plays better, the 2016-3rd moves to a 2nd........win, win to everyone Eddy Lack to Minnisota for 2015-2nd and Devan Dubynk....UFA next summer....we will let him go at the end of year. Subtle deals..........am I close? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsiders Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Id like a young d-man prospect back from Nash for Kassian. Value is fair in your trade Second deal however no. Dubynk is playing lights out so they don't need lack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Makes no sense for either deal. Why trade the pieces we do to Nashville when the only thing close to value we get back is the late 1st rounder? And why would Minny want Lack when they have Dubnyk playing well and can keep the 2nd to boot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pink Sock Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Devan Dubynk is 6-1, with a .943 save% and 1.48 GGA with Minnesota. You really think they're trying to move him (along with their 2nd round pick) for Eddie Lack? How does this makes sense for them? Boggles my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven pounds soft Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Would Nashville be able to take on the cap hit without sending a contract back? Doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxieMan98 Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Dubnyk is playing great right now, I doubt they would trade him. Maybe this Kass Sbisa Higgsins for Nino and a 3rd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Dubnyk is playing great right now, I doubt they would trade him. Maybe this Kass Sbisa Higgsins for Nino and a 3rd Why would Min do that?? Seriously, I want you to tell me why they would take on an extra $3.5m in cap for 3 players who combined don't have as many goals as the young , big winger they'd be trading away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted February 7, 2015 Author Share Posted February 7, 2015 Hey Elvis The explanation for the first trade is as follows; I am honestly not sure what Kassains value is any more, it is not his talent level, it is his willingness to honestly commit, he should be using every shift to skate, hit and destroy, he would move up the lines if he continued to use this model. If you look at Matthais and Kassian and compare, Kassian is surely more talented, but has not accepted his role or the desire of his coaching staff. Matthais on the other hand has accepted this. Kassian has not shown this commitment, and may never, this is the risk with him, therefore his value by himself is a mid second at best, and more a late 2nd early 3rd, sure if he starts to get it, his value would be more, but again that is the risk, I was a huge Kassian fan, but I have wavered. So my rationale is 2 mid seconds equal a late first.........most of my proposals gut the team in someway or another, but I wanted to throttle back a little.......to me, this gives us the opportunity to move up if a player we want drops a little, or take the current BPA, and gives us decent value for Higgins and Kassian...Hey we could be trading Cam Neely or we could be trading Joe of the North, are you sure which one he is not? As for Lack.......Dubynk. I think Lack > Dubynk. Thing is Dub is playing on a great defensive team, which hides his flaws, he may be good enough to be just what everyone is saying, and I may have been wrong on the trading partner......but I do think he is the goalie to go, and I think his value is a mid to late second only because goalies don't get the value, as other positions. I wouldn't mind other destinations suggested.......but I would like a pick for his return Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Hey Elvis The explanation for the first trade is as follows; I am honestly not sure what Kassains value is any more, it is not his talent level, it is his willingness to honestly commit, he should be using every shift to skate, hit and destroy, he would move up the lines if he continued to use this model. If you look at Matthais and Kassian and compare, Kassian is surely more talented, but has not accepted his role or the desire of his coaching staff. Matthais on the other hand has accepted this. Kassian has not shown this commitment, and may never, this is the risk with him, therefore his value by himself is a mid second at best, and more a late 2nd early 3rd, sure if he starts to get it, his value would be more, but again that is the risk, I was a huge Kassian fan, but I have wavered. So my rationale is 2 mid seconds equal a late first.........most of my proposals gut the team in someway or another, but I wanted to throttle back a little.......to me, this gives us the opportunity to move up if a player we want drops a little, or take the current BPA, and gives us decent value for Higgins and Kassian...Hey we could be trading Cam Neely or we could be trading Joe of the North, are you sure which one he is not? As for Lack.......Dubynk. I think Lack > Dubynk. Thing is Dub is playing on a great defensive team, which hides his flaws, he may be good enough to be just what everyone is saying, and I may have been wrong on the trading partner......but I do think he is the goalie to go, and I think his value is a mid to late second only because goalies don't get the value, as other positions. I wouldn't mind other destinations suggested.......but I would like a pick for his return If you think Higgins and Kassian should fetch a couple of seconds, then make proposals trading them for the 2 seconds. Why does a top 10 offense want to add two bottom 6 forwards to an already crowded forward group. I mean it would make sense if they thought Higgins was an upgrade over what they had but even then they would want to move a forward out. The value might make sense the trade doesn't though. If I am Nashville I only move a 1st for a serious upgrade which neither Higgins or Kassian are. As far As Dubnyk and his flaws being hidden on a great defensive team. Nicklas Backstrom 5-7-3 GAA: 3.05 SV%: .887 Darcy Kuemper 13-2-2 GAA: 2.62 SV%: .904 The goaltending has sucked thus far, Dubnyk came along and has turned it around. They aren't going to make a move for a goalie until the end of the year. They will see want to see whether this is just a hot streak or there is something really there worth looking at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxieMan98 Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Why would Min do that?? Seriously, I want you to tell me why they would take on an extra $3.5m in cap for 3 players who combined don't have as many goals as the young , big winger they'd be trading away. It gives them depth for a run during the stretch and Kassian gets a fresh start. Not to mention a 3rd in a deep draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted February 7, 2015 Author Share Posted February 7, 2015 Toews.....good points....good info......good point of view The reason I did package Higgins and Kassian together, is for the following.......I believe, unless something crazy happens, Nashiville has a team that at least get into the final 4, so the worst pick we get is 30th (Obviously), the round earlier 28th, semi's 25th (I think?) So for Nashville, they get a big body in Kassian, with potential offensive upside, who will take the pounding of the playoffs. In Higgins, they get a player who can move up and down the line up, is a great defensive player, has been to the show before, and is on a great contract. The reason the Canucks go for Nashvilles pick is they could move up from the 28th pick, by adding another piece/pick/prospect, "IF" a pick that they had high up their board is within reach.( Say still available at 24th), it then becomes a matter of if it makes sense. Playoff teams, regularly stock up for the playoffs, especially if they are slated to go deep. I ask myself, with what we know from our run to the finals, would I pick up a couple of player like Higgins and Kass as insurance. I think we would have if we had that ability....Kassian still has use, and still has some potential to develop..........for a Stanley cup......I would pay more As for Lack.......he is worth a 2nd ........Dub's contract is a UFA at the end of the year, Backstrom one year later......hey, I understand the argument........why would they give up Dub?.........point taken........probably wouldn't either.......but lack is better IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxieMan98 Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Btw I would say No to all these trades of I was GMJB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Hey Elvis ... I should have told you before you typed all that out the questions were rhetorical. Kassian still has value, in just the same way as Evander Kane still has value, and teams are interested in acquiring him. They're likely trying to do it for a value return, but still, the pieces we give away help us more than what we get back. As far as Lack, you may think he's better but I'd highly doubt Minnesota would agree he's that much better to warrant them giving up a 2nd rounder on top of the goalie they already have. Minnesota might even disagree that Lack is better at all - and I can see their point and might even agree. As much as Dubnyk might have some flaws hidden on Minnesota, he had so little support in Edmonton he looked worse than he actually is. His stats are way better overall this year, and that includes time on a poor Arizona team. Even his career stats are at least comparable and that's with a larger sample size that includes some bottom of the league teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted February 7, 2015 Author Share Posted February 7, 2015 Yo Elvis I am not going to beat the Lack drum anymore.....I do think we have to move a goalie, and I think he is worth a 2nd........you made good points........I should have had a better trading partner As for higgins and Kassian............I think the value is solid for both teams, but lets look at another way to look at the trade as well........ As we are all painfully aware, the cap may not go up if this dollar doesn't move, or at least it may not move as far........I will suggest that by trading Kassian and Higgins, it gives us a much better chance of signing our UFA's this summer. If you ask me whether I would have Kass and Higgins over Matthais, Richardson, and Dorsett, not to mention our RFA's Vey and Tanev.......well,I don't think there is much debate on that. So really, the debate and questions are much larger than just so we trade this guy or not..... Usually my trades are blowing up the whole thing, but we may be forced by economics, to do just what I am suggesting......... I would think you would have to admit that we wouldn't really be missing these players right now, and therefore may be more palatable then the alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter_74 Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 I would love to get Ekholm from NSH. Sorry to adjust your proposal but i would be willing to trade Higgins, Kassian, Sbisa, and a 4th for Ekholm, a 2nd (Mayyybe a 1st instead, but highly unlikely) and a salary dump player (preferably a UFA) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter.S-Kerouac Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 I'm baffled as to why we want dube at all. If were trading a goalie it will be for a player or a pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 I would love to get Ekholm from NSH. Sorry to adjust your proposal but i would be willing to trade Higgins, Kassian, Sbisa, and a 4th for Ekholm, a 2nd (Mayyybe a 1st instead, but highly unlikely) and a salary dump player (preferably a UFA) Overpayment much?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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