Gstank29 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 I know we still have 30 games left but the Offseason is quickly approaching and Benning is going to have to make some tough decision. As of now our roster is Daniel Henrik Burrows Higgins Bonino Vrbata Mathias Horvat Hansen Dorsett Richardson Kassian Vey Kenins Edler Tanev Hamuis Sbisa Bieska Stanton Clendening Corrado Weber Miller Lack Markstrome as you can see we have 2 extra forwards 3 extra defence man and an extra goalie. So who has to go? I think its pretty obvious that Lack should be kepted as our "goalie of the future" because Markstrom is RFA and will probably have other teams interest in him based on what he has done in the AHL this year. But with keeping Lack we are probably not doing a good job managing our assets, as Lack has significantly more value than Markstrome and won't want to be the backup Miller until his contract expires. On defence we also have a crowd of players battling for 6 spots. With Hamuis, Tanev, Elder, Bieska, being locks there are only 2 spots for 4 young, promising players. Personally i would like to see the Canucks to let Corrado and Clendening fill the bottom 2 spots and sign Stanton as a seven defence man. That leaves Weber the odd man out, so do you think Benning will trade him at the deadline for a pick? or will he be released in the summer? But that also leaves out everyones favorite defence man, Sbisa. With his recent play, I think that Benning will give him another contract (probably 1-2 years) to see if he can improve on his recent success. So will Clendening or Corrado be sent back to the AHL next year? or will someone be traded? The Forwards is where things gets really tricky, we have 14 forwards to fill 12 spots without the "push for the bottom" for guys like Gaunce, Zalewski, Shinkuark, Jensen, Cassels, Virtanen, and McCan. But the real problem is that all these guy will want to player 12-15 mins a game and that just isnt possible. The only player who i can see becoming a UFA is Richardson because of our depth down the middle. But that still leaves players like Vey and Kenins in the pressbox when they really should be playing. I know people are going to say send Kenins down BUT he has proven to be an effective NHL'er and hopefully will make the team next year and produce 20-25 points. While adding the speed this team needs in there bottom 6. This is all without Virtanen making the team. If Virtanen makes the team who will be left out? I cant see Desjardin sitting Dorsett, Kenins, Kassain (lol) out must of the season. These are players that need to play inorder to improve and and can have an impact on the game without touching the puck According to Capgeek Dorsett, Richardson, and Matthias are set to become UFA's and Sbisa, Tanev, Corrado, Stanton, Markstrome and Vey are to become RFA. With the Cap to be somewhere around 72 million dollars we will have approixmently 15 million dollars to sign these players. Thanks for Reading, Discuss down below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimp C Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Higgins, Matthias, Hansen, Dorsett, Richardson. Some of those players will be gone. Hopefully we can get draft picks for them instead of losing them for nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 pimp id wanna keep mattias and dorsett rest can be dealt frees 6.2 mill in cap space excluding one of the three goalies that will be gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peaches5 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Burrows needs to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nux4lyfe Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Dorsett's been money in the bank, I don't Benning letting him walk away easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supermanbieksa Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Keep Tanev, Vey, Corrado Markström, Matthias, Hansen, Sbisa, Dorsett & Stanton. Try to deal Weber, Higgins, Richarsson and Läck. this would make our line up next season look something like this Sedin - Sedin - Vrbata (Pure skill) Burrows - Bonino - Kassian (Grit, skill & size) Vey - Horvat - Matthias (Skill, Size & speed) Hansen - Gaunce - Dorsett (Defensive reliable, grit and some offensive upside) Kenins. Call ups: Shink & Jensen Edler - Tanev Hamhuis - Bieksa Clendening - Corrado Sbisa/Stanton . Call ups Sanguetinni, Pedan Miller Markström Should add that this is only hypothetical and some of our other prospects might improve until next fall. But that's something thats impossible to predict at the moment. Try to get some 2nd/3rd round picks with the assets that we move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brobidus Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 This may be a little offtopic but... Is Jensen waiver-elegible next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quoted Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Keep Tanev, Vey, Corrado Markström, Matthias, Hansen, Sbisa, Dorsett & Stanton. Try to deal Weber, Higgins, Richarsson and Läck. this would make our line up next season look something like this Sedin - Sedin - Vrbata (Pure skill) Burrows - Bonino - Kassian (Grit, skill & size) Vey - Horvat - Matthias (Skill, Size & speed) Hansen - Gaunce - Dorsett (Defensive reliable, grit and some offensive upside) Kenins. Call ups: Shink & Jensen Edler - Tanev Hamhuis - Bieksa Clendening - Corrado Sbisa/Stanton . Call ups Sanguetinni, Pedan Miller Markström Should add that this is only hypothetical and some of our other prospects might improve until next fall. But that's something thats impossible to predict at the moment. Try to get some 2nd/3rd round picks with the assets that we move. I see that as pretty much what they have now but older core. If they are truly going to rebuild they need to make some bolder moves (Burrows, Hansen, Bieksa, etc. might be gone). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfstonker Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 I'm not sure Corrado is better than Weber. I would look to part with Higgins, Hansen, Richardson and Miller and Bonino and Corrado I like Hansen on the 4th but I think Kenins will give us the same and a 4th of Dorsett Gaunce and Kenins would be a great 4th line. I like Bonino too but I just feel he doesn't have enough 2nd line potential. Same with Miller, I like him but I feel it's time to roll with the Swedes. Richardson has played well but I feel we need to start seeing the younger players next season. Higgins is a worker but I'm afraid that's not enough now. Sedin - Sedin - Burrows (he is fast getting back to the 3rd Sedin) Shink - Matthias - Vbrata Vey - Horvat - Kassian Kenins - Gaunce - Dorsett Edler - Tanev Hamhuis - Bieksa Clendening - Weber Stanton - Lack - Markstrom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Maybe this might not be the most popular choice around here, but trading Hansen and Kassian over Higgins is probably the best option for the club, and It's not that I don't like them. It's just they will probably bring in a better value on the trade market than Higgins. If we're still a bubble team come trade deadline. I'd say trade Kassian, Hansen, Miller, and Sbisa for a few more picks in the top 35 and/or prospects and go to from there. - Roll with Lack and Markstrom, next season. - Re-sign Matthias, Richardson, Dorsett, and Tanev respectively. - Sign a PMD/PP specialist (Franson) in FA. - Hope some of our prospects impress at camp for the last couple roster spots. D. Sedin - H. Sedin - Burrows Vey - Bonino - Vrbata Higgins - Horvat - Matthias Kenins/Gaunce - Richardson - Dorsett Extra: Virtanen/Jensen/Shinkaruk Edler - Tanev Hamhuis - Franson Clendenling - Bieksa Stanton/Corrado Lack Markstrom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supermanbieksa Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 I see that as pretty much what they have now but older core. If they are truly going to rebuild they need to make some bolder moves (Burrows, Hansen, Bieksa, etc. might be gone). I agree and disagree with you at the same time, sure the core consisting of Sedins, Vrbata, Hamhuis, Burrows, Bieksa, Hansen, Edler and Tanev remains intact. (wouldn't mind trading Bieksa though) But the fact remain that with Gaunce making the roster our average age at center would be approximatly 26. Which is really low IMO. Then we still have other players in hte line up which is relativley young, Vey, Kassian, Clendening, Kenins and Corrado. Benning said he want to develop prospects in a winning culture, and I think that is the best way to go. And the fact stands that our roster will be younger next year and hopefully the younger players in this seasons line up will be better next year. Which makes our team competetive and younger at the same time. The process will then continue as I think Virtanen, Cassels, McCann, Shinkaruk and Subban will be knocking on the door for the 2017/18 season. Shinkaruk and Jensen possibly already next year. So the core will stay mostly stay intact.for the upcoming season but the average age will be lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaner Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Out of all of our UFA's, I hope JB signs Matthais and Dorsett. Love those guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJDDawg Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Burrows needs to go. Dem's fightin' words in these parts and a sure way to derail a thread. His cap hit hurts for the production no doubt, but there are many others on this team that should be moved before Burr. IMO, Trevor and JB see him an important piece of the leadership team to help our prospects transition into full time jobs over the next couple of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbdoubleu Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Everyone loved guys like Burrows, Higgins, and Hansen when they resigned for contracts that were way too long, and the NTC's make it hard to change your team. I don't want to see us go down that road with every UFA/RFA we have, again. It's gotta be short-term on depth guys, and no NTC's. Dorsett has had a good year but he's got a lot of mileage on him for the role he plays, and is probably looking for a long-term deal at this stage in his career. I don't want to see Benning sign a guy to a 4 year deal, when he only has 1, maybe 2, good years in him left. It's a tricky contract to sign with Matthias too. Is he a top 6 forward, no probably not. He might be peaking in 2 years. Sign him for a 1 or 2 year contract, if he has a great couple seasons, then can probably get a huge contract somewhere and we've gotten the most productive years out of him. We don't need to keep every good depth player until they're 34 years old. I want to see more turnover than we had in the Gillis days where he be locking up 90% of the team long-term, then trying to tinker with what's left to try to improve the team. It didn't work. I think we'll have to waive Higgins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 This may be a little offtopic but... Is Jensen waiver-elegible next year? 2016/17 I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpt Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 These are minor problems, it could be a lot harder, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canacks1970 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Everyone loved guys like Burrows, Higgins, and Hansen when they resigned for contracts that were way too long, and the NTC's make it hard to change your team. I don't want to see us go down that road with every UFA/RFA we have, again. It's gotta be short-term on depth guys, and no NTC's. Dorsett has had a good year but he's got a lot of mileage on him for the role he plays, and is probably looking for a long-term deal at this stage in his career. I don't want to see Benning sign a guy to a 4 year deal, when he only has 1, maybe 2, good years in him left. It's a tricky contract to sign with Matthias too. Is he a top 6 forward, no probably not. He might be peaking in 2 years. Sign him for a 1 or 2 year contract, if he has a great couple seasons, then can probably get a huge contract somewhere and we've gotten the most productive years out of him. We don't need to keep every good depth player until they're 34 years old. I want to see more turnover than we had in the Gillis days where he be locking up 90% of the team long-term, then trying to tinker with what's left to try to improve the team. It didn't work. I think we'll have to waive Higgins. How much milege do you think a 4th line player like Dorsett have when he's only 26-27 years of age? Its not like the man is in his thirties. And if you haven't notice the past off season Benning been doing what you been saying. He's been signing players to shorter term deals. Even Linden and Benning have addressed that in their first news conference that the long term deals are no more and that NTC are going to be very few. When hired he asked most of his players if they were willing to waived their NTC.( Something that Gillis would never do) J.B stated during training camp if any of the young players outworked some the veterans for a spot on the roster that he would find them a spot on the roster. Half the roster has changed compared to last year. How much turnover do you want Benning to make? You can't replace someone else's mistake in one year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Getting rid of Miller? Are you that confident that Lack and Marsktrom can handle the load? Markstrom has played 22 games 4 less than Eriksson. His stats are great, but is he NHL ready? Lack got burned out by the end of last season, and he's currently 1 game under .500 in parts of 17 games played. Having Miller's cap hit freed up would be great. But I'm not sure they are ready for primetime just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nessnuck27 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Why are people so quick to let Sbisa go? The last few games he has really turned his game around. I think our defense should be : Edler Tanev Hamhuis Clendenning Sbisa Bieksa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Untouchables: Virtanen, Horvat, 2015 1st and 2nd, 2016 1st. Preference is to add picks. Retained vets: Sedins, Bieksa*. I'd hate to lose him, but Bieksa may have a change of heart and his salary next season is just 2.5mil. Needs: Plenty. I'd start with defense first. We also need a top-notch center. With McEichel out of the picture, I'm liking Zacha if a top-tier big offensive defenseman is unavailable. Avoid like the plague: Trading the untouchables above. Trading for a 'further along' expensive young scorer like Kessel who'll only delay the rebuilding process for half a decade and add more failure like it did for TO. This team is well beyond a bandaid fix. Acceptable stop-gaps: Trades like the Clendening trade, in which a sell high 5th-round prospect like Forsling is exchanged for a similar guy further along. And signing UFA's. You have to fill out the roster somehow. But keep the years low. What we should do at the deadline: Sell all UFA's for picks. Esp. Matthias. Optimistically, a team may value his size enough to grant us a low 1st. Even a 2nd would be very nice. What we should do this summer: Do what we did last summer... Clear out some more contracts. I'd expect a lot of vets to be willing to waive going forward. Get more picks. Then use the draft to address predicted lineup weaknesses. Then analyze where some prospects can fit in the lineup and make room. For the remaining empty slots sign some UFA's to short-term deals. If we're able to pick up a top-notch defenseman in the draft, then I'd expect Tanev to be dealt. I think Benning has been shopping Tanev for awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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