PrideInThisTeam Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2015/02/12/22233081.html Conclusions by a police watchdog that Mounties broke the law in seizing several firearms in flood-ravaged High River, Atla., are pointless unless those responsible are charged, one impacted gun owner said Thursday. The RCMP Citizen Review Complaints Commission found the force was justified in seizing most of the 609 guns they grabbed from homes during the June, 2013, flood, but concluded officers went beyond the law in several cases. "While RCMP members, acting on their own initiative and with little guidance, may have acted with public safety in mind, they nonetheless failed to comply with legal requirements concerning the seizure of firearms," states a 122-page report, noting some of the weapons in question had been legally stored. "One member seized two firearms knowing that they were properly secured. The other member made a larger seizure in which two of the firearms were reported to have trigger locks." Mounties also appear to have exceeded the law when they seized handguns and rifles that were hidden from plain view in two homes, and that police made unnecessary multiple entries to find firearms, said the report. The report doesn't appear to include resident Greg Kvisle's claims family heirlooms a rifle and shotgun hidden in his basement were confiscated by Mounties the third time they entered his home, which wasn't even flood-damaged. "They would have had to rummage around to find them," he said. "I was always under the understanding they're there to enforce the law, not to break it." But Kvisle said he'd be surprised if anyone on the force is charged, and also wonders about the accountability of emergency officials who directed Mounties in some of their actions. "Heads should roll and somebody should stand up and be accountable," he said. "But like the banks in the states, they're too big to fail, or too big to touch ... show me what you're going to do to fix the problem," he said. The federal government, which had long voiced concern about the way the RCMP appeared to have handled the situation, echoed some of the same concerns. "The activity in question is completely unacceptable. Law-abiding Canadians should never be faced with unlawful searches and seizure of their personal property," said Jean-Christophe de la Rue, a spokesman for Public Safety Minister Steven Blaney. The government also called for the report's recommendations to be fully implemented. RCMP Commissioner Bob Paulson issued a statement praising his officers for their work during the floods while promising to review the report and look for ways to improve. "In accordance with the RCMP Act, we will provide our official response, once completed," Paulson said. Kvisle wondered if the Mounties will be able to win back the community's trust. "There's definitely some issues there — the leadership was sorely lacking and the discipline wasn't there in the officers under them," he said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Why were they round up guns anyways? It was a flood. Someone had to go out of their way to get a list of registered weapons and seize them for no apparent reason. Would at least be nice to know the reason for the seizure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Would at least be nice to know the reason for the seizure. I blame Japanese animation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bookie Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 My upstairs neighbour at the time was ex-military and a total gun nut. I remember having a beer on the front stoop with him later that summer and he gave me a long talk about not letting RCMP on our property without a warrant, how this story had been circling around through his fellow firearm 'enthusiast' network. I kind of thought he was just being paranoid tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kakanucks Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Would at least be nice to know the reason for the seizure. Didn't want them to get stolen and end up on the black market?? Edit: nevermind, long work day, I thought they were in damaged homes where the owners were no longer occupying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 welcome to the nazi state we live in, way to many rules and regulations not sure what rcmp think they can just go into peoples houses and steal stuff its absurd some one should be fired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violator Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 I don't have a problem with it if even one of those guns was to be used in a murder anywhere the rcmp would have been blamed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Western Red Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 welcome to the nazi state we live in, way to many rules and regulations not sure what rcmp think they can just go into peoples houses and steal stuff its absurd some one should be firedDo you want us to turn into America? If you're worried about survival, learn some skills bud. A gun wont save you from intruders, nor will it feed you. You need knowledge. (Not you personally, just people in general) Using baited pit falls and seine nets will feed a harem, if you're smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neversummer Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Red necks. Our version of 'murica'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadiancon Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Do you want us to turn into America? If you're worried about survival, learn some skills bud. A gun wont save you from intruders, nor will it feed you. You need knowledge. (Not you personally, just people in general) Using baited pit falls and seine nets will feed a harem, if you're smart. How would a gun not save you from intruders and how would it not feed you. I guess you never have been out of the city? Taking a deer or a moose is far easier with a rifle than not, and if someone breaks into my house and is staring down the barrel of my 12 gauge I gaurantee they will think twice about continuing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 I don't have a problem with it if even one of those guns was to be used in a murder anywhere the rcmp would have been blamed. So you support some sort of dictatorship? In your opinion police(paid by the public) should be able to enter your home and take your guns and what ever else they want without reason? Do you want us to turn into America? If you're worried about survival, learn some skills bud. A gun wont save you from intruders, nor will it feed you. You need knowledge. (Not you personally, just people in general) Using baited pit falls and seine nets will feed a harem, if you're smart. This doesn't even make sense. When this happened during the floods people were pissed and rightfully so, what kind of free and democratic Country allows this kind of Gustofo b.s. When the gun seizures took place both Harper and the opposition leader at the time in Alberta Danielle Smith were baffled by the news . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magikal Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Red necks. Our version of 'murica'. Owning a firearm makes you a redneck? Ignorant.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violator Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 So you support some sort of dictatorship? In your opinion police(paid by the public) should be able to enter your home and take your guns and what ever else they want without reason? . Canada is the farthest from a dictatorship that you can find. I don't have a problem after the floods happened they were hiring whoever they could to clean up the mess so things like theft were everywhere and the police can not be in front of every house its better to take things like this than leave them the owners were dumb enough to leave the guns in the house.I don't agree with the fact the police kicked down the doors that's not rite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 So some cops overstep their authority and now we live in a "Nazi state"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 So some cops overstep their authority and now we live in a "Nazi state"? At what point do you draw the line? Bottom line is there is no law/legislation to justify that taking place. Again even the Prime minister found this situation to be wrong, in fact he had said all guns should be returned to there owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 At what point do you draw the line? Bottom line is there is no law/legislation to justify that taking place. Again even the Prime minister found this situation to be wrong, in fact he had said all guns should be returned to there owners. Personally, I "draw the line" way before "Nazi state". YMMV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonLever Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Its not really about being pro or anti gun but more about the rule of law. How could they seize guns that were hidden without a warrant? That seems a clear violence of civil rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Its not really about being pro or anti gun but more about the rule of law. How could they seize guns that were hidden without a warrant? That seems a clear violence of civil rights. Exactly. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grapefruits Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Do you want us to turn into America? If you're worried about survival, learn some skills bud. A gun wont save you from intruders, nor will it feed you. You need knowledge. (Not you personally, just people in general) Using baited pit falls and seine nets will feed a harem, if you're smart. Odd. I have a freezer full of deer and moose meat from my buddy. Pretty sure he didn't kill them with his bare hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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