Nuxfanabroad Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Coastal, I'll try not to summarize your thoughts, nor misconstrue The intent that you have posted with Just try to see your view... Bonino's ok, & has scored some key goals. But man, I'm afraid come spring our top 6 will get stomped on. Our bottom 6 will probably be killer, but is it enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derp... Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 His contract would allow us to get a slightly better player who's more expensive or get a player of similar ilk and a prospect or just a pick and a prospect for him. I'm not against it, but at the same time, who do you prefer Richardson or Bonino? We can really only keep one can't we. I would give Richardson 3 year 5 million or 1.75, 1.75, 1.5 Bones is younger with a similar cap, but would fetch more in a trade. Maybe at the draft or next deadline if we're not in it, but then we have to resign Richy as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Minister, You mentioned Bonino's ideal cap(our situation). Assuming we re-sign Matthias, Vey & possibly promote Gaunce, I don't see any impending crunch(sure wish capgeek didn't go extinct). I'd suggest with all the emerging youth, we're better to parlay this benefit to a team in cap world, dire straits. Of course, for something else of equal benefit. edit: ^Above..well put Derp-certainly agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 higgins for a late second bonino markstrom 3rd for couturier hansen for a early third weber for a late 4th richardson for a third tanev for yakupov and a 3rd stanton fir bag of pucks draft a bunch of dmen with all these extra picks sedin sedin burrows vrbata couturier yaks kassian horvat virtanen kenins mattias dorsett gaunce/mcmillan hamhuis clendenning edler corrado sbisa bieska miller lack young fiesty lineup with speed and grit the bottom two lines would be ultra fast and rough on teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 In my opinion, Higgins is the one that will and needs to be traded. Bonino is much younger and more skilled and can continue to improve. Higgins' role is diminishing because his age won't allow him to play like he used to be able to. Higgins was very effective because he could score 20 goals in a season and can move between second and third line, meaning he could provide some offence when needed but can also play the checking role and skate, and play the physical game. Now, his play this season seems to indicate that he is not good enough to hold on to a regular second line spot. Although he still skates well, he does not play physical game anymore and does not throw hits and we have possibly better options at 3rd line LW position. That basically makes him expendable. Of course I'd like us to keep him for the playoffs but I don't see his spot on the team for the next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 higgins for a late second bonino markstrom 3rd for couturier hansen for a early third weber for a late 4th richardson for a thirdtanev for yakupov and a 3rdstanton fir bag of pucks draft a bunch of dmen with all these extra picks sedin sedin burrows vrbata couturier yaks kassian horvat virtanen kenins mattias dorsett gaunce/mcmillan hamhuis clendenning edler corrado sbisa bieska miller lack young fiesty lineup with speed and grit the bottom two lines would be ultra fast and rough on teams You weren't completely idiotic until that point even if you did purge the roster. No… I take it back... That was all pretty dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Minister, You mentioned Bonino's ideal cap(our situation). Assuming we re-sign Matthias, Vey & possibly promote Gaunce, I don't see any impending crunch(sure wish capgeek didn't go extinct). I'd suggest with all the emerging youth, we're better to parlay this benefit to a team in cap world, dire straits. Of course, for something else of equal benefit. edit: ^Above..well put Derp-certainly agree. Mainly because it allows us to add a piece in the offseason or at the deadline with a higher cap hit or commitment. It's true we aren't in an immediate crunch…. and Bonino certainly helps with that… but other teams are. Maintaining good value contracts to offset veteran deals is how you overcome the cap structure. Bonino being signed for 2 more at that hit is incredible. It's legitimately one of the best contracts in the league if he plays to his potential…. some thing that is much more likely if we add a player to help him. Wea rent rebuil;ding… we aren't tearing it down… we are transitioning. Bonino and that cap hit are a big part of the plan. There was a reason that JB made sure he was a focal point ion the deal. I can't be the only one that sees that, right? If Bonino does get moved it will only be for a young, top end piece signed for multiple years. The likelihood is small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Coastal, I'll try not to summarize your thoughts, nor misconstrue The intent that you have posted with Just try to see your view... Bonino's ok, & has scored some key goals. But man, I'm afraid come spring our top 6 will get stomped on. Our bottom 6 will probably be killer, but is it enough? i do not know it is obvious to many who follow baseball that what happens when a batter gets hotter is that pitchers adjust then the batter has to adjust and so on younger players often have trouble with these adjustments but with experience they get better the same applies to hockey players and hockey teams the canucks played an up tempo more risky style to open up the season very briefly they were in 1st place in the league other teams adjusted to them and exposed weaknesses and shut down younger players, bonino in particular and he has not successfully adjusted the league may have figured him out and he has nothing more to give or he may need more time the team as a whole seems to be adjusting more recently and is playing a more effective style bonino may need a bigger winger or two to thrive if vrbata can return to the top line again and burrow shifts to the 2nd line again and plays left wing again and kassian sorts out his game he could be the more weighty and skilled right winger the 2nd line needs if bonino cannot adjust horvat appears fairly close to making the jump to 2nd line duties this is a transition year next year likely will be as well we will see which players can really step it up and earn permanent spots on the squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeanBeef Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Trade him back to Anaheim for Nick Ritchie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Don't know gents..keep hearing it's a 'transition yr/evolving team', etc... Judging by their recent form, I feel with one or two key deals(converting our surplus, + maybe a pick, into precise franchise needs) we could surprise a lot of hockey pundits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinphase Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Depends on the deal. Bonino seems to be a pretty mercurial C, pretty consistent on the PK but not much else. He didn't really get a chance to play much with Vrbata before the injury so who knows if all he was missing was a decent sniper. The 1C role should be our biggest concern going forward. We don't have an offensive all star C in the system. If the Oilers win the McEichel sweepstakes, how much will they still need Draisaitl? Packaging Bonino with something to make this happen will not be the worst thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unknown33429 Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Depends on the deal. Bonino seems to be a pretty mercurial C, pretty consistent on the PK but not much else. He didn't really get a chance to play much with Vrbata before the injury so who knows if all he was missing was a decent sniper. The 1C role should be our biggest concern going forward. We don't have an offensive all star C in the system. If the Oilers win the McEichel sweepstakes, how much will they still need Draisaitl? Packaging Bonino with something to make this happen will not be the worst thing. Those players aren't the easiest to find without tanking. Teams will almost never trade them. Our best chance is that one of our draft picks, whether it is McCann or someone else, develops a lot better than we expected, or we find a gem in the later rounds. We may have to wait a few more years before we are terrible enough to pick high enough, unless we win the lottery sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 We have too many forwards and especially if we get Matthias and Dorsett re-signed. I'd like to see Bonino and Higgins shipped out. I think Matthias and Kassian can be made into a real good 2nd line if you added a little more skill in place of Dorsett like Jensen or Virtanen (next year) Horvat looks like will be a real good 3C next year. I don't think Matthias and Kassian can be made into a real good 2nd line by just adding Jensen or Virtanen next season. The potential is there, but that line may easily run into consistency problems as Kass and Matthias are not exactly the most consistent players and Jensen and Virtanen are rookies. I think Bonino-Vey-Vrbata has better potential to be the more reliable second line and Dorsett/Jensen/Virtanen-Matthias-Kassian to be a great third line body throwing line that we can deploy against LA, SJ, and ANA. Besides, I don't think Virtanen will make the team next year and even if he does, he will make it as a fourth line RW besides Horvat. Even then, I will be surprised (somewhat pleasantly) if Virtanen beats out Hansen for the 4RW position. Horvat is already a 3C, but he will still play as a 4C position next season. A 4C that we can send out against Malkin and Crosby or anyone else in the NHL. Isn't that great!! My best guess at next year's lineup, barring a trade would be: Sedin-Sedin-Burrows Bonino-Vey-Vrbata Dorsett-Matthias-Kassian Jensen-Horvat-Hansen Kenins is the first callup. If Jensen doesn't make the team at some point next season, then it is very likely that like Grabner and Schroeder, his time on this team will come to an end. Jensen is a top 6 player but if he wants to make the team, he needs to be versatile and learn to adjust his role to play anywhere on the lineup much like Virtanen did for team Canada at WJHC and like Burrows when he first broke into the league. Failing to adjust will result in him losing a roster spot to younger, up and coming players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rounoush Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 ^If we don't jump the gun, we might jump the shark. Bones, Markstrom, Corrado & a 2nd for JVR? Guy has a beauty contract. Dude, if that were all it would take, I would pull the trigger immediately on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Excelling in fall vs the spring is a different kettle of fish. I like Bonino, but Vey is starting to hit his stride. The cap-hit benefit is offset by the number of ELC C's we have emerging. Trade it to a team that REALLY needs the cap savings(eg:Tor, Mtl, etc...) Of course this is dependent upon Matthias first re-signing. We've also got Richardson for depth, more proficient for bottom-6 FO's. You don't make a trade based on a handful of games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 You don't make a trade based on a handful of games. But this is CDC! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 But this is CDC! What was I thinking.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokes Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 I think the question should be if Mattias or Horvat can be a better second line center than Bonino. Put Mattias back into his natural position and he is a much better player. Bonino is a decent cap hit that can get us a B level prospect or a mid round draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 i do not know it is obvious to many who follow baseball that what happens when a batter gets hotter is that pitchers adjust then the batter has to adjust and so on younger players often have trouble with these adjustments but with experience they get better the same applies to hockey players and hockey teams the canucks played an up tempo more risky style to open up the season very briefly they were in 1st place in the league other teams adjusted to them and exposed weaknesses and shut down younger players, bonino in particular and he has not successfully adjusted the league may have figured him out and he has nothing more to give or he may need more time the team as a whole seems to be adjusting more recently and is playing a more effective style bonino may need a bigger winger or two to thrive if vrbata can return to the top line again and burrow shifts to the 2nd line again and plays left wing again and kassian sorts out his game he could be the more weighty and skilled right winger the 2nd line needs if bonino cannot adjust horvat appears fairly close to making the jump to 2nd line duties this is a transition year next year likely will be as well we will see which players can really step it up and earn permanent spots on the squad Why is it that every single time when I read your posts, it's like Im reading a poem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkorea Posted February 14, 2015 Author Share Posted February 14, 2015 its time to combine some of these extra players we have into one top 6 forward or a number 2 d. an eastern team with a need for some playoff depth and grit might grab 3 of our guys for a top 6 player that wants out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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