wallstreetamigo Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Higgins is putting up as many points per game as Bergenheim and is well liked on the team. Trading him one for one is pointless as it doesn't improve our team. The ONLY part that makes sense is trading term for an expiring contract to create room while still having a warm body to fill the spot this year. But even that doesn't make much sense. I mean, they are then basically giving away Higgins for free as a cap dump. May as well get a pick for him instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Maybe the pick will come from a separate deal or we could trade our 2016 pick. I doubt Bennign would refuse to include a 3rd if the right player became available. Again, a separate deal may be a precursor for this to happen. Yes, but the point is Benning has said he wants to accumulate MORE picks, and certainly not parlay them into 31-year-old rentals. Why all this sudden fascination with adding 30+ rentals like Cole and Bergenheim for draft picks all over again? Do we really have such short memories? Did I miss something and the retool ended? The ONLY part that makes sense is trading term for an expiring contract to create room while still having a warm body to fill the spot this year. But even that doesn't make much sense. I mean, they are then basically giving away Higgins for free as a cap dump. May as well get a pick for him instead. Exactly. Why essentially give Higgins away, when he can either be moved for a pick or better yet, included in a package to sweeten a deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossi Vaananen Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 I think we're just seeing the result of Benning coming into a Canadian market and the result being a number of phone taps and leaks within the organization. Where one would see Benning just kicking tires in Boston, it becomes sepculation and rumors in Vancouver. Bergenheim? Hell no, donate his 2.75 to charity. Talks of Del Zotto and 36 y/o Cole to Vancouver? Hell no. Benning is just figuring out the market right now, he's too shrewd to pull the trigger on anything over 30 or questionable character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Yes, but the point is Benning has said he wants to accumulate MORE picks, and certainly not parlay them into 31-year-old rentals. Why all this sudden fascination with adding 30+ rentals like Cole and Bergenheim for draft picks all over again? Do we really have such short memories? Did I miss something and the retool ended. Again, there may be other moving parts to something like this that we're unaware of. A 3rd round pick going out and a 1st and/or 2nd coming in is still a net gain. I still think Benning will do what it takes to give this team a shot this season. We'll have to wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Again, there may be other moving parts to something like this that we're unaware of. A 3rd round pick going out and a 1st and/or 2nd coming in is still a net gain. I still think Benning will do what it takes to give this team a shot this season. We'll have to wait and see. We will, but for countless reasons it is extremely unlikely any of Bartkowski, Bergenheim, Cole, or Del Zotto are coming here. Absolutely do not fit the plan that's in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 I dont see why we would want him, someone enlighten me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRAZY_4_NAZZY Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Bergenheim is just spare parts to Florida...we have plenty already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 We will, but for countless reasons it is extremely unlikely any of Bartkowski, Bergenheim, Cole, or Del Zotto are coming here. Absolutely do not fit the plan that's in place. Could argue that one on Del Zotto. 24 year old defenseman. The rest I do agree that it doesn't fit the plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 We will, but for countless reasons it is extremely unlikely any of Bartkowski, Bergenheim, Cole, or Del Zotto are coming here. Absolutely do not fit the plan that's in place. The plan to try and be competitive now while building for the future? Why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 The plan to try and be competitive now while building for the future? Why not? Aren't all 4 of them pending UFA's this summer? If the Canucks need to cleaeer a vet for a roster spot why not trade them for picks (which Benning clearly covets) and let the players we have fill those roles this year? It makes much more sense than trading them to acquire guys who will be walking away at the end of the year. How does that help the future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Aren't all 4 of them pending UFA's this summer? Yea. They fill the "be competitive now" need. The picks acquired from trading players like Higgins and Matthias would be part of building for the future. For example: Matthias for a 1st Higgins for a 2nd Trade a 4th and a C prospect for Bergenheim Bergenheim Bonino Vrbata Kenins Horvat Hansen Dorsett Richardson Kassian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Yea. They fill the "be competitive now" need. The picks acquired from trading players like Higgins and Matthias would be part of building for the future. But the teams trading those guys probably want picks for them. So it is a wash other than losing a guy like Higgins with term left for a pending UFA. It's also pretty debatable if any of those players would help our team b competitive now than Higgins or Matthias do. If Matthias cannot be re-signed fr a reasonable deal he should be moved. But moving him for another pending UFA creates the same issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 If Matthias cannot be re-signed fr a reasonable deal he should be moved. But moving him for another pending UFA creates the same issue. You don't move him for a pending UFA, you move him for a 1st round pick. See above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 You don't move him for a pending UFA, you move him for a 1st round pick. See above. I highly doubt Matthias is going to get a 1st as a rental player. Higgins alone may get a 2nd but I doubt it. Bergenheim doesn't help us enough and if Higgins is getting a 2nd so is Bergenheim because the Panthers don't really need a C prospect to get them to take a low pick. The reality is that being both buyers and sellers at the deadline especially for the assets listed previously really is a wash if we are moving guys like Higgins and Matthias out. Benning would be better served to take a stand on the direction he wants to go rather than trying to hedge his bets that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 I highly doubt Matthias is going to get a 1st as a rental player. Higgins alone may get a 2nd but I doubt it. Bergenheim doesn't help us enough and if Higgins is getting a 2nd so is Bergenheim because the Panthers don't really need a C prospect to get them to take a low pick. Matthias is exactly the type of player that can help a team in the playoffs. A real contender would part with a late first for him. Paul Gaustad got a 1st round pick after all Bergenheim replaces what Higgins brought, and would probably benefit from a change of scenery. Bergenheim is also a pending UFA while Higgins is not, big difference. He also requested a trade which further reduces his value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 I highly doubt Matthias is going to get a 1st as a rental player. Higgins alone may get a 2nd but I doubt it. Bergenheim doesn't help us enough and if Higgins is getting a 2nd so is Bergenheim because the Panthers don't really need a C prospect to get them to take a low pick. The reality is that being both buyers and sellers at the deadline especially for the assets listed previously really is a wash if we are moving guys like Higgins and Matthias out. Benning would be better served to take a stand on the direction he wants to go rather than trying to hedge his bets that way. Higgins is not a UFA at the end of the year which gives him more value, teams want players with term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 The reality is that being both buyers and sellers at the deadline especially for the assets listed previously really is a wash if we are moving guys like Higgins and Matthias out. Benning would be better served to take a stand on the direction he wants to go rather than trying to hedge his bets that way. Not really. We would be acquiring picks for the future, which is what Benning wants. Plus we're plugging holes for this season to allow us to be competitive and bring along the young guys on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derp... Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Matthias is worth a first to a good team, can play C or wing, young big fast kills penalties can score, and get the puck to the net. Maybe Washington, or Winnipeg, or Boston actually. I would do it for Bostons first cause that's going to be a solid pick. Maybe even a lottery pick if we are lucky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 You mean like the guy (in Pears sig) who wanted to be quoted on saying Kesler would be a Blackhawk? Or the one in my sig who said Tanev would be an Oiler last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 The only pending deal that JB has tipped his hat to being in on was for Kane. That's the target demographic. We aren't acquiring unless we can bundle some assets to trade up. Some players may get used for picks and prospects but it will require us trying to find a piece that can be a foundation for the next few seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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