hockeyville88 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 He obviously was using a phrase that was coined years ago and is said by people everywhere all the time The difference is that Morgan Reilly is a role model to a lot of young kids. When you or me say things, 5 people hear it. When he says something, it blows up on Twitter. It's a bad example to set for young kids. It's not ok to still make it sound like "like a girl" is an insult. And the context of it - suggesting that girls are weak - was certainly inappropriate. I'm not sure what more the female gender can do to prove how tough we are both physically and mentally. The irony? Reilly's comments came on the same day as the 1-year anniversary of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvhwwopAvxM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckamo Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 It's really not though, unless you want to say anything that can be misconstrued as offensive by anyone is an issue It's not really being misconstrued in this case though is it? He meant it implying that girls/women can't handle hard work and whine about it. That's how it is being perceived. No misunderstanding here. Like Hockeyville's said, he's not the first to use the term by a longshot but that doesn't make it OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFBR392 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 It's unfortunate that a young player can't have a verbal mis-step without being blasted by the media. It's clearly somewhat of a figure of speech and if you don't have an ulterior motive you'd clearly get the point he was trying to make. This is why Marshawn Lynch does what he does. That guy is a friggin genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 I think it's fairly well established that using "girl" as an insult isn't the best thing to say, especially if you're a role model for kids. Doesn't mean it's the biggest deal in the world, but you still shouldn't say it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimp C Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Lol talk about overreaction. But I do think there is still a lot of sexism in our society. Hell, I've seen it on this board today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronalds.Kenins41 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 I don't think that Reilly meant it to come out that way. He is a teenager and I almost guarantee he isn't the only hockey player who has said things like that. The author should make this less about rielly and more about sports players. Cause thats what it really comes down to. In all other professions you can't get away with not respecting woman forever. In sports you have a bit more leeway cause you only play with your gender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baer. Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Quick everybody, oversensitive bloggers with nothing better to do are complaining about what a 20 something millionaire said, we have to be politically correct all the time now! "Equality" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BI3KSA- Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 It's really not though, unless you want to say anything that can be misconstrued as offensive by anyone is an issue How is it misconstrued as offensive? It IS offensive. I'm sure he didn't say it with the purpose of offending people, but that doesn't make it not offensive and it doesn't make it something we shouldn't actively try not to say. The same can be said about quite a bit of commonly used derogatory words and phrases. It's not a huge deal but its literally effortless to admit its a problem and to try not to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdatb Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Cry me a river Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck2xtreme Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 I know a number of women who are as tough or tougher than a number of men I know. Women should not be portrayed as weaker any more than the author should be portrayed as a competent writer. We shouldn’t have to remind Don Cherry that women have been entering locker rooms since he was a coach in the 70s. They can interview the players but according to names like Don Cherry are not allowed in the locker room. I know once these topics come up it's standard to attack Grapes, but at least get the facts straight. Don was the first to let female reporters into the locker rooms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBackup Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 It's not really being misconstrued in this case though is it? He meant it implying that girls/women can't handle hard work and whine about it. That's how it is being perceived. No misunderstanding here. Like Hockeyville's said, he's not the first to use the term by a longshot but that doesn't make it OK. How is it misconstrued as offensive? It IS offensive. I'm sure he didn't say it with the purpose of offending people, but that doesn't make it not offensive and it doesn't make it something we shouldn't actively try not to say. The same can be said about quite a bit of commonly used derogatory words and phrases. It's not a huge deal but its literally effortless to admit its a problem and to try not to do it.Because being offended by something is entirely subjective. It has everything to do with you, and if you get offended by some commonly used turn of phrase used in a throwaway comment by a hockey player, I'm sorry, but that's your fault, not his. Was it the right thing to say? No. He could have phrased it differently. However that doesn't mean we need to go lynch the guy. Everyone is such an over sensitive whiner these days it's ridiculous. This about as dumb as calling someone racist for using the "pot called the kettle black" cliche. If you're concerned about "the message being sent to kids" how about we start teaching them that "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-SN- Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 However that doesn't mean we need to go lynch the guy. Absolutely nobody has suggested we need to lynch the guy. You're over-exaggerating more than anyone else here. Everyone is such an over sensitive whiner these days it's ridiculous. This about as dumb as calling someone racist for using the "pot called the kettle black" cliche. It is nowhere near equivalent. Once again exaggerating. If you're concerned about "the message being sent to kids" how about we start teaching them that "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me". That saying is overly simplistic and cliche. Actions often follow words, and words can be incredibly harmful, especially to more impressionable people, like children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBackup Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Absolutely nobody has suggested we need to lynch the guy. You're over-exaggerating more than anyone else here. Its a figurative image. That saying is overly simplistic and cliche. Actions often follow words, and words can be incredibly harmful, especially to more impressionable people, like children. Absolutely. Which is why no one should be allowed to say anything that has any chance of hurting anyone's feelings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poetica Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 LOL Look at all of the people offended that other people were offended by something they weren't offended by. One would hope it would start to occur to some of you that you weren't offended because it wasn't you being insulted. And those of you offended that others were offended probably were because you use similar language yourselves. How many of you call a guy a wuss by using a slang term for female anatomy (while ignorantly ignoring the fact that said body part literally rips itself apart to bring new life into the world, you know the exact opposite of weak)? I'm guessing a lot because I've seen it more times than I can count on this forum. And how many of you use something like "don't be a girl about it" anytime you want to call someone weak and in doing so, deliberately or not, reinforce restrictive gender roles where men have to be physically strong and stoic and women are supposed to be physically weak and emotionally unstable? Words matter. Language is how we communicate with one another. Communicating that women are inferior and that men can't be emotional, unwilling to physically fight, or whatever other supposed violation of assigned gender roles a man may have committed, even in a throwaway comment from an unthinking jerk, is not okay. Being ignorant to the full implications of your words is not a defense. It's willful stupidity. Words matter. They reflect and in turn shape our culture in all ways great and small. When we throw around little insults we may mean to be personal and specific to that situation but which, due to our word choices, actually malign an entire group we marginalize that group and solidify bias. In short, we actively affect the culture by reinforcing negative stereotypes, gender restrictions, racism, and/or homophobia. Our words aren't just the reflection of bias in our culture, they are the cause of the bias to begin with. It's a snake that feeds in on itself. As Alice Walker said in The Temple Of My Familiar, "Keep in mind always the present you are constructing. It should be the future you want." I want to live in a world where people are free to be who and what they are without stupid restrictions based on dumb, outdated ideas about gender, sexuality, or race. And I'm so glad that there is an ever growing number of people who share that vision of a better future for all of us and who are helping to shape that reality by being consciously aware of the importance of language and actively trying to avoid perpetuating negative attitudes through their careless use of words because they know words matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustapha Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 LOL Look at all of the people offended that other people were offended by something they weren't offended by. One would hope it would start to occur to some of you that you weren't offended because it wasn't you being insulted. And those of you offended that others were offended probably were because you use similar language yourselves. How many of you call a guy a wuss by using a slang term for female anatomy (while ignorantly ignoring the fact that said body part literally rips itself apart to bring new life into the world, you know the exact opposite of weak)? I'm guessing a lot because I've seen it more times than I can count on this forum. And how many of you use something like "don't be a girl about it" anytime you want to call someone weak and in doing so, deliberately or not, reinforce restrictive gender roles where men have to be physically strong and stoic and women are supposed to be physically weak and emotionally unstable? Words matter. Language is how we communicate with one another. Communicating that women are inferior and that men can't be emotional, unwilling to physically fight, or whatever other supposed violation of assigned gender roles a man may have committed, even in a throwaway comment from an unthinking jerk, is not okay. Being ignorant to the full implications of your words is not a defense. It's willful stupidity. Words matter. They reflect and in turn shape our culture in all ways great and small. When we throw around little insults we may mean to be personal and specific to that situation but which, due to our word choices, actually malign an entire group we marginalize that group and solidify bias. In short, we actively affect the culture by reinforcing negative stereotypes, gender restrictions, racism, and/or homophobia. Our words aren't just the reflection of bias in our culture, they are the cause of the bias to begin with. It's a snake that feeds in on itself. As Alice Walker said in The Temple Of My Familiar, "Keep in mind always the present you are constructing. It should be the future you want." I want to live in a world where people are free to be who and what they are without stupid restrictions based on dumb, outdated ideas about gender, sexuality, or race. And I'm so glad that there is an ever growing number of people who share that vision of a better future for all of us and who are helping to shape that reality by being consciously aware of the importance of language and actively trying to avoid perpetuating negative attitudes through their careless use of words because they know words matter. I would rather live in a world where ignorance and bias exist than one where everyone has to walk on eggshells with every statement, as even the most innocent statement can be viewed as offensive by some person or group. Unless you prefer to live in a world where we punish people who don't have ideas about gender that fit your view of the world. Don't take my word for it, however, I will leave that up to Lord Russell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8h-xEuLfm8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poetica Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 I would rather live in a world where ignorance and bias exist than one where everyone has to walk on eggshells with every statement, as even the most innocent statement can be viewed as offensive by some person or group. Unless you prefer to live in a world where we punish people who don't have ideas about gender that fit your view of the world. Don't take my word for it, however, I will leave that up to Lord Russell: Very interesting that you would equate asking people to demonstrate the level of emotional intelligence and empathy we ask of preschoolers with "punishment." Interesting as well that you both defend using gender biased language as "innocent" AND acknowledge that it is used because of people's "ideas about gender." It's not really innocent, merely accidentally implying something not really intended, if it's purposefully expressing an idea about gender, now is it? But, okay. Let's see how your way works. Put your "toughen up and deal" attitude into practice. Instead of just telling others that they don't have the right to be offended by anything that you aren't personally offended by, even if you're not offended because it had little or nothing to do with you and you fail to recognize that your personal experiences and feelings are not the only ones that exist or matter, why don't you show us how it's done and just not complain that you're offended that we're offended at being insulted in a way that perpetuates negative attitudes and biases that feed into a biased culture, resulting in very real negative effects in our daily lives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Lord Baltimore Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 I guess I'll jump off the deep end next time someone says that I'm being such a man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 If women are not inferior then why were they so easy to subjugate? I keed, I keed. Language is an evolution and should remain fluid. These idioms need to go away. I have no problem with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etsen3 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Guys Morgan Really is not being sent to jail, or fined, or punished in any way. He's still allowed to say what he wants. However, people are allowed to be offended by it too. That's how free speech and debate work. It doesn't mean you can say whatever you want and no one is allowed to disagree or care. I agree that people should be allowed to say offensive things, however saying that people should never be offended in the first place is a whole different argument and is just as oppressive as disallowing offensive speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAntar Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 This is a laughable justification...obviously it was a sexist comment, implying that women have lesser mental toughness. It was dumb, but I think we should let him apologize and move on. Mental? You mean physical right? Am I now to pretend that women are as physically adept as men now? When did this happen, exactly? And if it's true why aren't half of NHLers women? Same question re the NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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